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Schools to rethink 'i before e' [UK}
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Posted on 06/20/2009 12:05:16 PM PDT by JoeProBono

The spelling mantra "i before e except after c" is no longer worth teaching, according to the government. Advice sent to teachers says there are too few words which follow the rule and recommends using more modern methods to teach spelling to schoolchildren. The document, entitled Support for Spelling, is being distributed to more than 13,000 primary schools. But some people believe the phrase should be retained because it is easy to remember and is broadly accurate. Bethan Marshall, a senior English lecturer at King's College London, said: "It's a very easy rule to remember and one of the very few spelling rules that I can remember and that's why I would stick to it.

"If you change it and say we won't have this rule, we won't have any rules at all, then spelling, which is already terribly confusing, becomes more so."

Judy Parkinson, author of the best-selling book I Before E (Except After C), told the Daily Telegraph it was a phrase that struck a chord.

"There are words that it doesn't fit, but I think teachers could always get a discussion going about the 'i before e' rule and the peculiarities of the English language, and have fun with it. That's the best way to learn."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: publikskewlz; spelling; ungland

1 posted on 06/20/2009 12:05:17 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Stupid is as stupid does. Bunch of educational stupids at work.


2 posted on 06/20/2009 12:07:59 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: JoeProBono

Oh crap - from here on out it will be bedlam!!! If they take our grammar rules away from us what do we have left?????? Mrs. Boston from 9th grade grammar is spinning in her grave.....


3 posted on 06/20/2009 12:08:20 PM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: JoeProBono
Advice sent to teachers says there are too few words which follow the rule and recommends using more modern methods to teach spelling to schoolchildren.

So obviously it makes sense to ditch a very easy method to remember a spelling foible. Let's just ditch it and have fun! WOOOOOO!

4 posted on 06/20/2009 12:09:57 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: JoeProBono
Didn't know they even taught spelling anymore.....After all, we have spill check.

More granddaughter suffered terribly because they insisted on not correcting their spelling errors....They wanted the kids to be FREE....to express their ideas...unencumbered by poor spelling and grammar!!

5 posted on 06/20/2009 12:10:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: JoeProBono

I’ll bet that when English schoolchildren are being taught Arabic, the rules will suddenly matter again.


6 posted on 06/20/2009 12:11:30 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: JoeProBono

I before e has always been a foreign concept to me ...


7 posted on 06/20/2009 12:12:26 PM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... the Anti-Reagan)
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To: JoeProBono

What does it hurt to continue teaching this rule? I’ve used this rule all of my life. It took about 5 seconds to memorize it. I guess “the churldren” are too busy texting to learn how to spell correctly.


8 posted on 06/20/2009 12:12:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out? Are you scared yet?)
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To: JoeProBono

Is their any reason?


9 posted on 06/20/2009 12:12:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: JoeProBono

Who cares about reading and writing when we have social agendas to advance—erm, tolerance and kindness to teach?


10 posted on 06/20/2009 12:15:51 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: Cailleach

ping


11 posted on 06/20/2009 12:19:10 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: JoeProBono

Teaching Arabic and the Koran would be much more appropriate.


12 posted on 06/20/2009 12:25:24 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: JoeProBono

Instead of being taught how to spell stuff, kids will now sit in a ‘learning circle’ and discuss how they feel about 500 years of imperialistic British spelling rules.


13 posted on 06/20/2009 12:25:27 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: Sacajaweau

“..spill check”

Ouch ;-)

The quickerpickerupper.


14 posted on 06/20/2009 12:27:19 PM PDT by wolficatZ (Divest from the left. Unconditionally.)
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To: JoeProBono

About that rule..
Einstein got it wrong..
Twice..


15 posted on 06/20/2009 12:28:39 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: JoeProBono

I don’t know, that rule does seem to apply except when it doesn’t apply.

Height
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Just dang, drove me crazy!


16 posted on 06/20/2009 12:34:05 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: JoeProBono

I halve a spell checker

It came with my PC It plane lee marks four my revue Miss steaks aye can knot see

Eye ran this poem threw it Your sure real glad two no Its very polished in its own weigh My chequer tolled me sew

A cheek or is a blessing It freeze yew lodes of thyme It helps me right awl stiles two reed And aides me when aye rime

Now spilling does not phase me It does knot bring a tier My pay purrs awl due glad den With wrapped words fare as hear

To rite with care is quite a feet Of witch won should be proud And wee mussed dew the best wee can Sew flaws are knot aloud

So ewe can sea why aye dew prays Such soft wear four pea seas And why eye brake in two averse Buy righting want to please

-Author Unknown


17 posted on 06/20/2009 12:36:49 PM PDT by BykrBayb (I'm thinking of stealing floriduh voter's tagline ~ Þ)
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To: RandallFlagg

18 posted on 06/20/2009 12:36:56 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: wolficatZ
“..spill check”

Sounds goog to me!

19 posted on 06/20/2009 12:39:19 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Another foray in the war against literacy is about to be launched. Hey, why have any spelling rules at all? Wye knot juct rite enee weigh ewe wont two?


20 posted on 06/20/2009 12:47:21 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Sacajaweau

Several years ago, when I was looking for new employees, most of the young architectural graduates that applied for the positions displayed poor spelling and grammar. But, their penmanship was really horrible. In school, we were taught to write in block letters on drawing sheets; however, now that most use CAD, that ability has sadly disappeared.

Lately, I have been tutoring immigrants in English as Second Language (ESL) courses. Young Asians (Cambodian, Thai, Chinese, Korean), whose languages don’t use the Roman alphabet, seem to really concentrate in turning in exercises exhibiting good spelling and penmanship, if somewhat tortured grammar.


21 posted on 06/20/2009 1:06:48 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: JoeProBono

Receive or Recieve. Makes no difference. Both mean a ‘kind of tobacco’!

Right???


22 posted on 06/20/2009 1:23:41 PM PDT by charmedone
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To: JoeProBono

Hah, they’re wrong... Anyone of any education at all knows that e always comes before i; in fact, you always place the magnitude value before the vector, so whether it is ei, or 7i, or any other imaginary value, i always comes second.

What the speed of light, c, has to do with any of this I haven’t a clue!


23 posted on 06/20/2009 1:31:22 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: JoeProBono

The obvious solution: Let children spell words any way they please.


24 posted on 06/20/2009 1:54:44 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: autumnraine

Not to mention plenty of examples of words containing “cie”. e.g. ancient, efficient. A more complex version of the rule adds “except when the “c” is pronounced “sh” (and pronunciation of these words varies regionally), but that still doesn’t pick up words containing “cie” where the “i” has the long vowel sound (e.g. “society”, “science”), as well as all the plurals of words ending in “cy” (e.g. “policies” — and virtually all such words were originally spelled “cie” in the singular). And it’s also fairly common to see names ending in “cie” — some are of non-English origin, but as a diminutive ending for female names (often, but not always an alternate to “cy” spelling), it’s perfectly English, as is the name of the official NYC Mayor’s residence “Gracie Mansion”, which is named after a Scotsman surnamed Gracie. Think how idiotically wrong it would look if you saw “Gracei”, and no one would be sure how to pronounce it.


25 posted on 06/20/2009 2:20:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Christie as well.


26 posted on 06/20/2009 2:38:00 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: JoeProBono

cherche les bucks ... sounds like someone has a book series to sell.


27 posted on 06/20/2009 3:15:53 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("I've conquered my goddam willpower." Don Marquis)
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To: JoeProBono

Weird.


28 posted on 06/20/2009 3:17:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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