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50MPG in a full size Pickup with a tractor engine!
http://www.shadetreeconversions.com/ ^ | 6/25/09 | boiling point

Posted on 06/25/2009 4:25:58 PM PDT by Boiling point

For those interested in such things. Freepers that have farm experience are aware of how efficient diesel tractors are. I put five gallons in mine and bush hog all summer. Here is a link to some guys that convert vehicles to tractor power and have gotten as much as 50mpg from a full size pickup! http://www.shadetreeconversions.com/


TOPICS: Agriculture; Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: fueleconomy; garbage; mileage; scam; snakeoil; totalbs; tractor; truck

1 posted on 06/25/2009 4:25:59 PM PDT by Boiling point
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To: Boiling point

I want one in my Suburban


2 posted on 06/25/2009 4:29:45 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: Boiling point
Here again the government will obstruct your efforts. Tractors are exempt from pollution restrictions required on licensed passenger vehicles. Take away those regulations and every automobile company could achieve a 30-50% increase in gasoline engine efficiency.
3 posted on 06/25/2009 4:31:57 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Boiling point
Scam that won't meet emission standards.

/johnny

4 posted on 06/25/2009 4:34:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

just need a vehicle old enough to not be reqired to be emission tested...the pickups they show at the site are old enough by the looks of it...


5 posted on 06/25/2009 4:36:52 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: Boiling point

I bush hog with a Kubota maybe twice a month for, at most, half a day each time... And six gallons does not last me all summer.


6 posted on 06/25/2009 4:39:26 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: stefanbatory

yeah, its called about 1974 or so. this guy is hawking a book, I dont know what kind of tractor engine he is using, i highly doubt this conversion will get out of its own way, probably isnt turbo charged.


7 posted on 06/25/2009 4:40:39 PM PDT by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservatism got us NOWHERE)
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Big Oil will just buy this guy out and burn the plans. /sarc


8 posted on 06/25/2009 4:42:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.troopathon.org/index.php -- June 25th -- the Troopathon)
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To: 09Patriot

in WI, the effective year is 1994, I believe...must be different in each state...


9 posted on 06/25/2009 4:44:12 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Unless you live in a state that doesn’t mandate testing like me. :)


10 posted on 06/25/2009 4:46:03 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: Crazieman

I do as well...WI is a great state...to be from...


11 posted on 06/25/2009 4:50:31 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: Boiling point

Buyer beware when the usual conspiracy accusations surface along with clumsy inaccuracies such as “We are obtaining U.S. patent copyrights on the plans to our vehicles.”

I don’t doubt these converted old beasts will achieve 50 mpg in place of the original V-8 20 mpg. So will yanking the V-8 and putting a Briggs and Stratton under the hood. Never, ever try to merge onto a freeway with one. Ford’s current model Rangers (rebadged Mazdas) are touted at 27 mpg highway. That’s with a four squirrel power plant under the hood, though.

Also beware comparing old American iron (especially pickup trucks) to contemporary European sedans. The sedan is the closest to an ideal aerodynamic shape for a small automobile. A wagon or van with a tapered nose and sharply bobbed tailgate is better for larger cars. Eurosedans are not as big as the typical American family car. SUVs, minivans, and the like are scarcely to be seen there. Speaking of which, the Olds Silhouette recently sitting in my driveway touts 27 mpg highway, and it has beavers under the hood rather than squirrels. I fear no freeway in it.


12 posted on 06/25/2009 4:52:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: martin_fierro

Buyer beware when the usual conspiracy accusations surface along with clumsy inaccuracies such as “We are obtaining U.S. patent copyrights on the plans to our vehicles.”

I don’t doubt these converted old beasts will achieve 50 mpg in place of the original V-8 20 mpg. So will yanking the V-8 and putting a Briggs and Stratton under the hood. Never, ever try to merge onto a freeway with one. Ford’s current model Rangers (rebadged Mazdas) are touted at 27 mpg highway. That’s with a four squirrel power plant under the hood, though.

Also beware comparing old American iron (especially pickup trucks) to contemporary European sedans. The sedan is the closest to an ideal aerodynamic shape for a small automobile. A wagon or van with a tapered nose and sharply bobbed tailgate is better for larger cars. Eurosedans are not as big as the typical American family car. SUVs, minivans, and the like are scarcely to be seen there. Speaking of which, the Olds Silhouette recently sitting in my driveway touts 27 mpg highway, and it has beavers under the hood rather than squirrels. I fear no freeway in it.


13 posted on 06/25/2009 4:54:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You can say that again.


14 posted on 06/25/2009 4:56:17 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: HiTech RedNeck

nevertheless, this might be a fun little project..I wonder if my dad or uncle have a suitable engine in their junkyards for my 93 F-150 that recently blew the head gasket...hmmmm


15 posted on 06/25/2009 4:59:21 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: Boiling point

Gee, what’s the top speed in one, around 15 MPH?


16 posted on 06/25/2009 4:59:22 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Boiling point

I have a 970 John Deere, 4 cylinder, 40 hp.

Unless I use the backhoe, 8 gallons will last most of the year.

If the Cap & Tax passes, I’ll be buying a diesel electric generator to run the house.


17 posted on 06/25/2009 4:59:43 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: stefanbatory

Ill-noise requires it only in the Chicagoland and East St. Louis metro areas. Something about big cities and pollution. That’s also where you cannot get non-ethanol gas. It’s an OBD II tattle tale based system which cuts it off at models older than 1996. The older direct measurement systems have been removed.


18 posted on 06/25/2009 4:59:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: OHelix

sorry, don’t know how martin got left out of my first attempt


19 posted on 06/25/2009 5:02:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: 09Patriot

However you Slice and dice it, those dead white men will only let big oil put about 45 HP/gal in Diesel fuel. So tractor. Smactor, thats all the power you have. About 25 years ago, someome put a Perkins Diesel from a Massey-Fergusen tractor in a Mercury Sedan. Acceleration was “stately”. Since he only built one,I don’t guess it was a success.
barbra ann


20 posted on 06/25/2009 5:05:47 PM PDT by barb-tex (Barracuda Sarah has a compelling life story too, but with NO affirmative Action.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

when I lived in southeastern WI and was forced to emission test my 74 Nova, I simply ran the tank down to about an 1/8 and then put in a whole bottle of gas line antifreeze a block from the testing center...passed easily, then immediately went to the gas station...worked everytime no matter how bad the car was...:)


21 posted on 06/25/2009 5:06:24 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

22 posted on 06/25/2009 5:09:38 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: 09Patriot

Probably a Deutz.


23 posted on 06/25/2009 5:16:53 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: stefanbatory

The county I live in NE Pennsylvania is exempt from emission testing . Does that mean I can use a newer vehicle ?


24 posted on 06/25/2009 5:21:48 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: barb-tex

The Perkins was a common transplant in the late 70’s. I worked with a guy that had the 4 cyl in a ~’70 C20 Chevrolet and claimed it got in the lower 30’s.

I saw a small English truck at a car show that had a small Kubota diesel and the owner was claiming 40’s or 50’s.

There are quite a few of us doing or have done Cummins conversions that hang out on the turbodieselregister.com and fordtrucks.com.

I decided against the Perkins due to scarcity and price of parts not to mention it is more difficult to hotrod.

I am running a 6bta Cummins in a ‘78 F250 at over 400hp and getting 20mpg.


25 posted on 06/25/2009 5:23:12 PM PDT by Clay Moore (Obama: A good example of why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: Natural Law

We had some German friends come over about 12 years ago. They were taking about four months and touring North America, from the Canal Zone to Alaska. When they started planning the trip, they thought they would rent a motor home here. However, after looking at the difference in gas mileage between their German motor home and a U.S. motor home, and how much more they would have to pay for fuel, they decided it was more economical to ship their own motor home across the Atlantic.


26 posted on 06/25/2009 5:25:56 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Jeff Chandler

A smashed PacMan?


27 posted on 06/25/2009 5:28:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Renegade

the emission testing thing is an issue only because some of the states require that a vehicle that is tested have its original engine or one exactly like it installed...those of us in freer parts of the country can do as we please...:)


28 posted on 06/25/2009 5:28:55 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“and it has beavers under the hood rather than squirrels”

LOL. I was expecting horses. Beavers sound interesting though.


29 posted on 06/25/2009 5:29:51 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Clay Moore

The next level of EPA regs for diesels are very stringent.

The only way to meet emissions with an on-road diesel for 2010 is massive egr (which kills fuel econ and adds to the heat load bigtime) or moderate egr and urea injection.

Both of these strategies require diesel particulate filters which have to do a “burn off” cycle occasionally (called regeneration) which uses additional fuel injected downstream of the engine to “burn off” the particulates. More loss of fuel efficiency.

So while it sounds like a great idea, diesel fuel economy is going to degrade under the weight of clean air regs. And the cost of all this added hardware is stunning, not to mention service issues due to immature designs.


30 posted on 06/25/2009 5:34:03 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: 09Patriot
i highly doubt this conversion will get out of its own way, probably isnt turbo charged.

Actually at least one of the vehicles they show in the video does have a turbocharger added to the diesel.

Also, it sounds like they run the engine pretty hard in the demo video. My guess is that you can get away with a less than 100HP diesel if you are (a) willing to find a transmission with a lot of gears, and (b) don't mind running it hard. Those engines tend to develop a lot of torque quickly as they rev up, and most folks driving around don't use anywhere near the full horsepower of their engines. (Except when towing heavy loads...)

I have driven the old 40HP VW vans, and they can accelerate pretty quickly up to highway speeds if you really stand on it. I have also driven 500+ HP cars and they can accelerate way faster than the local police want you to. I've also driven plenty of vintage pickups with 100HP or less.

Lighter, but not necessarily smaller, lower horsepower vehicles are a good way to improve mileage.

31 posted on 06/25/2009 5:34:17 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: stefanbatory

Yep, in CA it used to be any vehicle 25 years or older, then they changed it to a set year, 1974 or older, so that they could still screw over the residents.


32 posted on 06/25/2009 5:36:06 PM PDT by calex59
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To: freeandfreezing

A class 8 truck with a GVW of 80K lbs has maybe 500hp but due to the engine’s long stroke they put out massive torque. Divide that hp and weight and a full sized 3/4 ton pickup would be what 60hp? Mileage would be great but I doubt many folks would like 13 gears and a splitter for every day driving.


33 posted on 06/25/2009 5:45:23 PM PDT by Clay Moore (Obama: A good example of why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: Boiling point

Mahindra 4 banger, diesel pickup gets 30 mpg. (Made in India) Kind of looks like an old Toyota HiLux

34 posted on 06/25/2009 5:56:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: Clay Moore

you have probably seen this, I don’t know if I seen it in a car mag or on a site. someone took a late nineties caravan and put an isuzu turbodiesel out of a box truck in it. if you seen the site give me the link. I know davesfarm(youtube) converted a late 80’s caravan with a vw diesel.


35 posted on 06/25/2009 6:12:23 PM PDT by 09Patriot (I am a MILITANT Conservative, compassionate conservatism got us NOWHERE)
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To: Boiling point
45 mpg American pickup back in 1981 more than 28 years ago!

1981 VW Rabbit Diesel Pickup


36 posted on 06/25/2009 6:21:35 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Boiling point

“Remember what Deep Throat said, “Follow the money.”

We are obtaining U.S. patent copyrights on the plans to our vehicles and we will make them available for a nominal amount.”

Ahhh yez.


37 posted on 06/25/2009 6:40:42 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Boiling point

That’s basically what my old dodge truck with the Cummins is. The same engine was in a lot of farm and other equipment. and no it does not get 50 MPG but it is fairly economical for a three ton truck and will get out of its own way when you get the turbo going.


38 posted on 06/25/2009 7:02:26 PM PDT by scottteng (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Natural Law
every automobile company could achieve a 30-50% increase in gasoline engine efficiency.

But... if we burn 30-50% less fuel, then wouldn't that balance out the supposed increase in pollution? Wouldn't burning less fuel decrease the so-called "greenhouse" emissions?

I remember the first brand new vehicle I every purchased - a 2000 Dodge Ram 1500 QuadCab with the 360. Was a good truck. But about 6 months after I bought it, there was a recall. Apparently, the computer was tuned in such a way, that emissions were just a hair over regulation. So - after they reprogrammed the computer, not only did the engine make less horsepower (enough you could tell when pulling a load or simple hard acceleration), but I lost nearly 2 mpg in all-around driving. I tried to get the dealer to "undo" the program - but they said it would be illegal.

A member of our previous church bought a brand new Dodge Ram 2500 with the Cummins. Great truck, but got 4mpg LESS than the one it replaced that was just two years older. When he asked the dealer why - they should have been essentially identical - the dealership said that it was due to the new emissions regulations.

I just don't get it... make engines LESS efficient, so the pollute less per gallon of fuel burned...

39 posted on 06/25/2009 7:57:01 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: TheBattman

Although its hard to comprehend that burning less fuel could produce more combustion by products, but the composition of those by products can indeed be more harmful. The higher combustion temperatures create a lot of otherwise less viable NH3, NOX and hydrocarbon compounds.


40 posted on 06/25/2009 8:29:20 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"...Ford’s current model Rangers (rebadged Mazdas) are touted at 27 mpg highway. That’s with a four squirrel power plant under the hood, though...

I have a '97 Ford Ranger. It is a 4-cylinder. I have to turn off the AC while getting the freeway to improve my odds. It takes me about .75 miles to get up to speed. For reals.

41 posted on 06/26/2009 8:51:07 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Buy Lots Of Ammo Today: BLOAT)
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To: Boiling point
OMG! I never connected the dots even though from experience, i knew tractor engines ran all day on a small tank of gas. Learned this by brush-hogging ETx pastures in August.

, but is the performance acceptable?

42 posted on 06/26/2009 8:51:39 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: urtax$@work
...but is the performance acceptable?

Performance is in the eyes of the beholder.

Most people would regard my 1991 Toyota 4WD pickup as underpowered with a 4 cylinder 2.4L engine.

Yes, I have to downshift for hills. Acceleration is leisurely. But when I drop it into low range it will pull just about any boat out of the water or walk up just about any trail with a load of wood. The mileage is great.

43 posted on 06/26/2009 9:00:36 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: Boiling point

Also, tractor engines are rugged & simple! Disappointing comments here about gas milage. We have a 91 Buick Century that gets 34mpg on the Highway if you keep it below 60-65. At 65-70 drops to 31 mpg.


44 posted on 06/26/2009 9:45:12 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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