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The State Secession Issue & Texas v. White
Intellectual Conservative ^ | June 27th, 2009 | Steven D. Laib

Posted on 06/28/2009 8:16:03 AM PDT by cowboyway

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People have a right to choose their own destiny and no government, particularly a morally corrupt one such as the one currently in power in Washington, can take that away. They didn't have that right in 1861 and they don't have it now.
1 posted on 06/28/2009 8:16:04 AM PDT by cowboyway
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Why is it that only our side is restricted by the law? If Texas wants to secede, they should simply do it. And the Supreme Court and Congress can hold all the hearings they want, who cares? States should simply defy what’s going on in Congress, and aggressively rebel against any repercussions attempted by the commie vermin running our country.

COULD WE PLEASE SHOW SOME GUTS ON OUR SIDE, EVERYBODY?


2 posted on 06/28/2009 8:21:49 AM PDT by raptor29
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I’ve always had a premonition that I’d move to Texas someday. We’re headed for trouble.


3 posted on 06/28/2009 8:22:39 AM PDT by NoobRep
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Think about how different secession was in 1860 and how it would be now. The states (not Texas) have become so intertwined with the Federal government. For example, if I live in a state that secedes, does the Federal government just keep what I paid into social security? What about people that still live in the state-would what remains of the Federal government freeze their social security, medicare and medicaid that they’ve become attached to like leeches? What would become of the Federal military complexes that are scattered throughout the country?


4 posted on 06/28/2009 8:28:23 AM PDT by NoobRep
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www.texasnationalist.com


5 posted on 06/28/2009 8:29:24 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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COULD WE PLEASE SHOW SOME GUTS ON OUR SIDE, EVERYBODY?

Damn right. Texas should tell Washington to shove it where the sun don't shine. Texas has seaports, oil, farm land, manufacturing, etc, and can survive without the corrupt rotten Washington we have now. We are no longer a free Country, but under King Obama and his corrupt machine. We have evolved into a Communists nation.

6 posted on 06/28/2009 8:30:48 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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For example, if I live in a state that secedes, does the Federal government just keep what I paid into social security?

This was a tongue-in-cheek comment right? You have no $$$ in SSI now...it is a con game....

7 posted on 06/28/2009 8:31:47 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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For example, if I live in a state that secedes, does the Federal government just keep what I paid into social security?

If you haven't already retired you're probably not going to get it anyway. Think of how much more money you'd have if Fedzilla wasn't devouring a big chunk of your paycheck.

What about people that still live in the state-would what remains of the Federal government freeze their social security, medicare and medicaid that they’ve become attached to like leeches?

Let em leave or become productive citizens.

What would become of the Federal military complexes that are scattered throughout the country?

There are federal military complexes all over the world. Why would this have to be different?

8 posted on 06/28/2009 8:38:33 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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Because of nuclear weapons and other stuff the Federal government doesn’t want us to see. Imagine if Nevada seceded. Wouldn’t it be quite a fight as to what happens to Groom Lake and what they’ve got going on out there.


9 posted on 06/28/2009 8:41:36 AM PDT by NoobRep
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Your knee jerk reaction is to look for reasons why not, and not for reasons why. Gotta change that.

Social Security? Oh, that $900 per month that some people get, the one that requires 15% of everyone’s income to be withheld? So what if Texans no longer have to put FIFTEEN percent of their income into Social Security? You think the state might be able to cover whatever “losses” might result from no longer being in line for the Federal Government’s table scraps? C’mon.


10 posted on 06/28/2009 8:50:20 AM PDT by raptor29
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Lincoln and his supporters wanted a centralized ,national government and they instituted it.

Hasn't anyone noticed the modern Communists speak of Lincoln with approval?

11 posted on 06/28/2009 8:50:37 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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Imagine if Nevada seceded. Wouldn’t it be quite a fight as to what happens to Groom Lake and what they’ve got going on out there.

Treaty.

12 posted on 06/28/2009 8:51:33 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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No I’m all for state’s rights and I believe that it will take a state like Texas declaring independence to reclaim our freedoms. It’s just the logistics of the deal are so different because the Fed government in 1860 had virtually none of the ties that bind them with states today.


13 posted on 06/28/2009 8:54:37 AM PDT by NoobRep
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The wealth that would move to Texas would be outstanding. Professionals, business, billions of dollars, etc. They could do it and hurt the Washington a22hats big time. Sure it would be hard at first, but within a short time Texas would be the richest Country in the World. Texas has a military now, every branch of the Service. They could give those Federal units a choice, join Texas or get the hell out. America is gone.


14 posted on 06/28/2009 8:56:11 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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Those “ties” you mention benefit no one but the freeloaders in this country. Every one can be broken and discarded, as long as the people of Texas (or whatever other state) just remains firm. And it’s long overdue that our side decides to get some guts and stand up. With weapons, if need be.


15 posted on 06/28/2009 9:03:26 AM PDT by raptor29
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Because of nuclear weapons and other stuff the Federal government doesn’t want us to see. Imagine if Nevada seceded. Wouldn’t it be quite a fight as to what happens to Groom Lake and what they’ve got going on out there.

Groom Lake is just a front now; to keep the smoke and mirrors alive. Operations moved to Colorado some years back; or so I have read ;-)

16 posted on 06/28/2009 9:08:53 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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What would become of the Federal military complexes that are scattered throughout the country?

The actual fighting in the Civil War began over precisely this issue, with the Yankee govt. claiming that it had a right to maintain a fortress (Ft. Sumpter) within a major seaport of a newly-independent State.

It would be almost impossible to form a new Confederacy today, because there are statist colonies (e.g. Austin, TX) within even the most freedom- and secessionist-minded States. There is an 0bammunist Fifth Column everywhere. 0bama could simply order the U.S. military to reconquer the liberated territories, as his hero Lincoln did.

17 posted on 06/28/2009 10:24:34 AM PDT by hellbender
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Memoirs of Service Afloat by Raphael Semmes (commander of the CSS Alabama) is full of unreconstructed Confederate thinking. I think he claimed that the Confederate States had the 3rd largest economy in the world (I guess the 1st and 2nd were Great Britain and the U.S.) Yet we all know how that turned out.
18 posted on 06/28/2009 10:27:56 AM PDT by hellbender
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HUH!!!

Lincoln issued greenbacks because he did not want to pay the central banks 24-36% interest rate.
You oppose those central bankers and you have problems.

http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm


19 posted on 06/28/2009 10:58:28 AM PDT by freedommom
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I don’t give a d*rn what the Federal Government wants, as a citizen I have just as much right to interpret..withhold my delegated authority to govern as the Supreme Court has..and it is getting high time we as US Citizens get together and “seceede” or Re-”Indepedence Declaration” in order to preserve our liberty, peacefully on our part-of course!


20 posted on 06/28/2009 12:49:55 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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