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Cat's Beating Death Triggers Protest (man killed cat after it scratched him)
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Posted on 07/01/2009 7:11:49 PM PDT by Chet 99

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To: LongElegantLegs

> If a cat attacked me and my dog as we were just walking by, I’d probably assume it had rabies...

Cats sometimes do that here in New Zealand, where there is no rabies at all. Some cats are just loco.

There’s a cat in our street like that. We call it the “Ghost Cat” — a huge fluffy white persian with no fear of dogs. Not even my huge German Shepherd who isn’t afraid of any living thing but she *is* afraid of the Ghost Cat.

We can be walking along at night, minding our own business, and the Ghost Cat will jump out at us, hiss, with all its fur standing on end, crazy glowing green eyes — just a few feet in front of us. Gives my German Shepherd one Hell of a fright. Me too, because it is always unexpected.

Ever seen a big German Shepherd evacuate herself completely in less than one second? I have — when my German Shepherd was out in the backyard “to do her business” at the same time the Ghost Cat decided to stage its latest attack. It was a very messy affair!

No question of rabies with this crazy animal: it’s just a big fluffy white cat with no Fear and a Death Wish. I wouldn’t dream of harming it.


51 posted on 07/01/2009 8:55:19 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, I sure wouldn’t. And if you figure out a way to stop any animal from attacking while you ring up your friendly neighborhood ACO and wait for him to drop everything and come save you, let me know.

As far as returning days later to beat the cat to death, maybe that was the second time it attacked? This story is long on emotion and short on details...


52 posted on 07/01/2009 8:56:29 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

It may not be rabies, but how can you be sure, especially when it’s an animal that you see living outside, day after day? If it does bite you, and you don’t catch it, you are the one who gets the rabies shots.

I punted a chihuahua who charged me and my dog a few months ago, kicked him halfway across the street. I don’t regret it, any more than I would regret beating a larger dog who attacked me. People need to control their animals.


53 posted on 07/01/2009 9:00:22 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: LongElegantLegs

If the kitty was wreaking havoc with anyone else, we sure haven’t heard about it. Perhaps that cat and that man had a mutual hatred for one another. He was a fool to come back, he knew that was asking for trouble.


54 posted on 07/01/2009 9:00:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

A chihuahua? Charged your dog? What was your dog, another chihuahua? You low down dirty dog kicker.


55 posted on 07/01/2009 9:02:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: mamelukesabre

you would be surprised

there are freepers who claim they will personally murder anyone who kills a pet

what a screwed up culture

elevate animals over babies


56 posted on 07/01/2009 9:02:15 PM PDT by wardaddy (Proudly Anti-Abortion, not and will never be Pro-Life...........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My dog is a pitbull.

An extremely well-behaved, unthreatening, neutered, vaccinated, worm-free, flea-free pitbull. I pour too much time and money into him to allow him to be bitten by a dog that might have any number of diseases because his owners don’t care enough to bring him inside from the rain, let alone to a vet.


57 posted on 07/01/2009 9:07:56 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
You can’t be serious [that one would beat an attacking cat]. I hate cats — I’m a dog owner — but I can’t envisage a situation where I might kick or beat a domestic cat. Certainly not to death, and certainly not in front of children. Would you really do that? I don’t believe it.

A full-on Feral cat might be a different story: for one thing it would be much bigger than 7 lbs, and for another thing it would be a matter of self-defense. But feral cats — the real ones — are in short supply in Worcester, Massachusetts: there are none. In this case we’re talking about a 7 lb domestic kitty who had just given birth to kittens. Somebody’s pet.

Pretty shameful act, even if you don’t like cats.

I don't particularly care for cats, and I would never do that to a cat, but I can understand kicking it to try to repel it. I'm not sure of the weight range for "full-on" feral cats. Those I have seen are not larger than domestic cats, and are sometimes smaller/leaner. I'm also not sure why this guy would be expected to calculate the odds that this is a feral/domestic cat while he is being attacked without provocation, or how he is expected to know the cat has recently had kittens.

All that being said, I think it is reasonable that he should be able to defend himself. Should he have killed the animal? No. I really doubt anything beyond driving the cat away was necessary, and I think he should be investigated and possibly prosecuted.

58 posted on 07/01/2009 9:08:37 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republic's warped and obscure humor needs since 1999)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

He was a fool for using the public sidewalk?


59 posted on 07/01/2009 9:08:48 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Let your pit bull take care of himself then. He’s not scared of no chihuahua is he? Or of recently pregnant 7 pound house cats?


60 posted on 07/01/2009 9:09:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, we’re supposed to take care of our dogs. Letting the dog (especially a pit bull) get a taste of blood and acting vicious might engrain it as a habit. Not a good idea.


61 posted on 07/01/2009 9:13:51 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t know if he’s scared of them, I have never put him in a situation where he’d have to defend himself from one.

Have you ever seen someone try to fight off a bee, screaming and flailing and backing into things to avoid getting stung?
7 pounds may not seem like that much until it’s headed straight for your crotch, with five of it’s six ends pointy and sharp.


62 posted on 07/01/2009 9:15:59 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: Chet 99
demanding police put Tom Foley behind bars.

Mr. Foley's defense lawyer has already called on their first character witness, pictured below, who claims that Mr. Foley is an upstanding and trustworthy individual.

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63 posted on 07/01/2009 9:26:44 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: LongElegantLegs
People need to control their animals.

Bingo! Once, growing up, a relative was chased and attacked by three dogs - either two Shepherds and a Doberman, or two Dobermans and a Shepherd. (I can't remember which.) When he tried in vain to kick them away, the owner got mad and yelled at him, "Don't kick my dogs!" :-0

People need to control their animals. If the animal is hurt attacking someone, it's the owner's fault. One late night, I had to climb onto the hood of a car to get away from a Doberman who came after me. I soon realized the owner had sent him after me, just for kicks. An officer later told me I would've had every right to shoot that dog. I wonder what animal lovers would say in that case. Since the dog didn't bite, they'd probably criticize the person defending herself.

64 posted on 07/01/2009 9:29:32 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Beating a domestic cat to death in front of kids? Do you think that was the appropriate thing to do here? If so, you’re a sicko too

Having worked for a vet a few years, the suggestion I gave was the appropriate answer (call city, have them impound the animal, and make sure it was not diseased). You read it, you seemed to agree with it, then you jump right in to pit bull crazy again.

Lets make this as clear as possible. I don't agree with your proposal that 10 years is the just punishment for the offense. I know you love your dogs, but 10 years is crazy. I don't care if he beat it the middle of the town square.

Other details I would like to know. Did he kill the cat on their yawn or his own. Did he kill the cat knowing the kids were looking or did it make such a racket they came out and observed it. You make it sound like he just rang their doorbell and invited a film crew before killing it.

In real life, I have had a big dog attack my wife and kids while she walked on a city backroad (one child under one in the stroller). Bit her pants leg but did not bring blood. What did I do, I knocked on their door, told them that if it came out in the street again I would beat it's skull in. They moved. I really could care less it that offends you or not.

65 posted on 07/01/2009 9:38:54 PM PDT by LowOiL (Tagline: Optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Having a dog, especially a big one, run at you is terrifying! I’m glad you were okay.

I never appreciated how ridiculous it is to yell “He doesn’t bite!” at someone your dog is charging until it happened to me.


66 posted on 07/01/2009 9:41:39 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: LongElegantLegs; Tired of Taxes
The fact that your dog is friendly does not mean that the dog your unleashed beast is approaching is friendly! Some otherwise friendly dogs can be extremely aggressive when leashed and approached by an unleashed animal.
67 posted on 07/01/2009 9:54:35 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

True, but that’s the risk you take if you let your dog run loose.

My dog ran at some leashed dogs, right after we ‘adopted’ him. *I* knew he just wanted to play, but how can you expect anyone else to know that? He got smacked across the face with a wooden cane by the dog’s owner, and I agreed with it.
I apologized profusely and it still embarasses me that I let it happen...Still, Swiper was lucky that it was only a wooden cane. I carry a steel maglite on our walks.


68 posted on 07/01/2009 10:11:38 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: Chet 99
It's a shame he killed the cat (I don't care if it was in front of kids or not).

But why was the cat wandering around outside? Where was it's owner? For the safety and security of both my pets and the general public, I don't let my pets run around loose.

69 posted on 07/01/2009 10:52:21 PM PDT by TNdandelion (This should be fun.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Thanks, I was fine. That happened many years ago; I wasn’t bitten, and it gave me a story to tell. :-)

For the record, I wouldn’t have been afraid if the animal wasn’t in attack mode.

When I first caught sight of the Doberman coming toward me, I saw no one walking with it. I casually started into the street to give it some room. ;-) But, then it came charging after me, growling and barking. I scraped the hood of that car with my heels backing up onto it. ;-) The dog was right at my feet, going bananas, and I thought it would kill me.

Then I heard a whistle. It was the owner calling his dog back. The dog immediately stopped and ran to the owner. As the man walked by, I said, “I didn’t even see you.” But, he didn’t apologize or say anything at all. He just glared at me as he walked by.

So, he must’ve sent the dog after me. ;-) Maybe he wanted to see how well his dog would obey his orders. There are good owners and bad ones. This guy was a bad owner. I should add it was a crime-ridden, drug-riddled area.


70 posted on 07/01/2009 11:08:04 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Chet 99

Let the penalty fit the crime. Just need a bigger stick. I’d be upset that a cat scratched me but I wouldn’t beat it, much less kill it.

The only way I’d hurt the cat is if the thing attacked and wouldn’t stop. I remember that video of a cat going after a deputy’s crotch/inner thigh area and would not quit.


71 posted on 07/01/2009 11:09:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Chet 99

OMG...how low can a person go.....this is sick. What a frickin monster.....boil this loser in oil.


72 posted on 07/02/2009 6:04:21 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

This one really gets my blood boiling....whatasickbastid.


73 posted on 07/02/2009 6:06:02 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Oh brother....the cats are mean because they chase the dog?? You need to get out more.


74 posted on 07/02/2009 6:08:08 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: TNdandelion

Most likley it was kicked out or ran away. My cat will run out the door if I am not diligently watching her as I leave or come in. Everything is not black or white.


75 posted on 07/02/2009 6:09:33 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: LowOiL

A cat with kittens will do ANYTHING to protect them....even walk through fire to save them.


76 posted on 07/02/2009 6:10:53 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: mamelukesabre
5 years in prison for animal cruelty? sheesh.

I've seen murderers receive lighter sentences...

It was a horrible thing to do, but not 5 years in prison horrible.

77 posted on 07/02/2009 6:13:13 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: skimask

I’m with you on this one. There are some real knuckle-draggers that sometimes appear on these threads.


78 posted on 07/02/2009 6:42:38 AM PDT by MizSterious (Impeach Barak "let them eat cake" Obama, while there's still something of our Republic to save.)
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To: Fawn
Read it again. I said they were chasing and attacking the dog. It was a puppy. They would chase it and scratch it up. I don't remember that dog around long enough to grow up; I think it might've been given away due to the cats.
79 posted on 07/02/2009 9:51:49 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I would suggest you don’t waste your time with the cat lady. You will come out looking and smelling like you wrestled with a pig.

Just some friendly advice if you didn’t already know.

SZ


80 posted on 07/02/2009 10:01:56 AM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: Tired of Taxes

And again....a cat will do anything...even attack to protect her kitts.


81 posted on 07/02/2009 10:02:44 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: Fawn

These cats didn’t have kittens.


82 posted on 07/02/2009 10:04:58 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: SZonian
I would suggest you don’t waste your time with the cat lady A PERSON OF FACT & LOGIC. You will come out looking and smelling like you wrestled with a pig.

....as you should.... :)

83 posted on 07/02/2009 10:05:49 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: SZonian

Ah, I see... Cat lover, eh? LOL.


84 posted on 07/02/2009 10:06:05 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Unless the cat is pregnant, has babies, has rabies or is cornered—fearing for it’s life.....the cat naturally flees...not attacks.


85 posted on 07/02/2009 10:07:20 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: Fawn

LOL. You didn’t meet these three cats. ;-)

The puppy was so cute and friendly. It was white with black spots. They named it Spot, of course. The cats were named Satan, Lucifer, and Beelzebub. (I’m not kidding.) Because even the owners could see these cats were mean.

Later, they had two more cats who were sweet and cuddly. But not the other three...


86 posted on 07/02/2009 10:12:25 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Fawn

Now Fawn, we never agreed that these discussions involved FACT & LOGIC. You may have, but it wasn’t reciprocal. ;-)

And yes, there were a few times I smelled and looked like it and learned my lesson(s).

Try to keep things in perspective.

I hope you have a Happy 4th of July.
Regards,

SZ


87 posted on 07/02/2009 12:03:35 PM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: Tired of Taxes

To the nth degree.

Have a Happy 4th!

SZ


88 posted on 07/02/2009 12:04:08 PM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“What are we talking about here, a toy chihuahua?”

Toy Chihuahuas charge; they do not retreat.

(That is the case in my home, where a 3.5 pound little guy runs the show with three adult humans and two adult cats.)


89 posted on 07/02/2009 12:16:29 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: visualops

“Anyone who would beat a cat to death over being scratched and/or it “charging” his dog, has something very very wrong with them.”

He seems to be a security guard; a want-to-be tough guy.


90 posted on 07/02/2009 12:18:30 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: SZonian

Happy 4th to you, too!


91 posted on 07/02/2009 12:48:22 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

au contraire!

That would be very good for children to see.


92 posted on 07/02/2009 2:22:58 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: SZonian

93 posted on 07/02/2009 4:08:24 PM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: Chet 99

What a sick man.


94 posted on 07/02/2009 4:09:59 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: LowOiL; Fawn

> Lets make this as clear as possible. I don’t agree with your proposal that 10 years is the just punishment for the offense. I know you love your dogs, but 10 years is crazy. I don’t care if he beat it the middle of the town square.

Ok, so what do you feel would be an appropriate sanction for beating somebody’s pet cat to death in front of children? What sentence wouldn’t be “crazy”?

> You make it sound like he just rang their doorbell and invited a film crew before killing it.

I don’t know any more about the circumstances than what you’ve gleaned from the story. But I don’t see too many shades of grey. Beating a pet cat to death is sick behavior. Doing it in front of kids (irrespective of how the kids got involved) is a serious aggravating factor. I don’t see many reasons to ameliorate a sentence of, say, ten years. Perhaps mental illness...

Yes, that is alot of time; and yes, it was “only a cat”. But any sick b@stard that could do that to a cat, in front of children, surely places little or no value on life. Society is therefore safer having that person behind bars, away from the rest of us. Tough punishment, sure: it’s very tough and I don’t care. He really ought to be strung up by the nuts and left to twist in the wind. Unfortunately we do not live in the Dark Ages, so ten years in the slammer is the worst we can do to them.

> What did I do, I knocked on their door, told them that if it came out in the street again I would beat it’s skull in. They moved. I really could care less it that offends you or not.

A roaming dog that bites is a serious public safety concern. It cannot be compared with a biting/scratching pet cat: it is a much bigger risk capable of doing much more serious damage. Off to the pound with it if possible, or kill it humanely if not: particularly if it is in the act of attacking someone. That doesn’t offend me at all. And I really couldn’t care less if it offends you either.


95 posted on 07/02/2009 9:00:04 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: mamelukesabre

> That would be very good for children to see.

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Ahhhh... that’s much better!


96 posted on 07/02/2009 9:17:46 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

idiot


97 posted on 07/03/2009 5:58:18 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Fawn

Mmm...that’s irrelevant. The pet owner is ultimately responsible for their animals whether they were let out, kicked out or escaped.


98 posted on 07/03/2009 7:40:17 PM PDT by TNdandelion (This should be fun.)
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To: TNdandelion

It’s not irrelevant....yes, for every 4th generation feral cat-—it is ultimately the result of a irresponsible human. My point was not to blame the cats for running loose if they ran away or were born to a cat that ran away. It’s no reason to kill them.


99 posted on 07/04/2009 8:50:22 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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To: seowulf

There is a difference between PETS and animals raised for food.


100 posted on 07/04/2009 8:52:16 AM PDT by Fawn (Rush Limbaugh---> America's pinata)
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