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(Rick) Warren calls on Muslims and Christians to work together
The Orange County Register ^ | Saturday, July 4, 2009 | BY JESSICA TERRELL

Posted on 07/04/2009 7:18:22 PM PDT by rawhide

WASHINGTON Speaking to a crowd of nearly 8,000 Muslims at the Islamic Society of North America's annual convention in Washington D.C., Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren called on Muslims and Christians to form an interfaith coalition to combat prejudice and stereotypes.

While Fourth of July revelers staked out seats to watch fireworks at the nearby Capitol Building, Warren addressed convention-goers – some of them from Orange County Muslim student associations – about the need for mutual respect.

"Tolerance is not enough," Warren said. "People don't want to be tolerated, they want to be respected, they want to be listened to. They want to be valued."

Armed with four ideas for action, Warren called on Muslims and Christians to work together to create respect, restore civility to civilization, promote peace and tackle major world problems.

"I am not interested in interfaith dialogue, I am interested in interfaith projects," Warren said. "Talk is very cheap."...

..."I think what he said was fantastic," said Shiran Elkoshairi of the Adams Center Mosque in Virginia. "Historically, that (interfaith co-operation) was the way things got done, but we have forgotten that over time."

Elkoshairi said he especially liked how Warren said that love is a verb, an action rather than an emotion.

"I am commanded to love and I am commanded to respect everybody," Warren said.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


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KEYWORDS: islamic; muslimamericans; rickwarren; waronterror; warren
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Sami M. Angawi, left, talks with Evangelical pastor Rick Warren, right, at the Islamic Society of North Americaís 46th annual convention in Washington, July 4, 2009. Evangelical megachurch pastor Rick Warren says America's largest Islamic organization showed courage when it invited him to speak at its annual convention.

1 posted on 07/04/2009 7:18:22 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

SUCKER!


2 posted on 07/04/2009 7:19:26 PM PDT by chasio649 ( Palin 2012...'nuff said!)
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To: rawhide

A very naive person with a lack of historical understanding. They don’t WANT to be our friends Warren. They want us to die.


3 posted on 07/04/2009 7:22:10 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Liberals love the average American the same way that foxes love the average chicken.)
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To: rawhide

Rick can kiss my Lilly white ass


4 posted on 07/04/2009 7:22:38 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: rawhide
Hey! All you stupid fool Christians......just let the Islamist hashishsiens (the origin of the word assassin) cut your throat!
5 posted on 07/04/2009 7:22:57 PM PDT by stboz
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To: rawhide

“I am commanded to love and I am commanded to respect everybody,” Warren said.”

I don’t believe this is true.


6 posted on 07/04/2009 7:24:35 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: rawhide

Who is this guy? He catapulted into prominence by an accidental book read following a murder. Thus guy thinks he’s a national leader.

Rick Warren go get lost. I feel sad for his congregants- if they have enough sense they should desert this charlatan in droves.


7 posted on 07/04/2009 7:27:29 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Rick to and convert a Muslim and your days are numbered.


8 posted on 07/04/2009 7:29:53 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: tutstar

READ LATER


9 posted on 07/04/2009 7:33:07 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: rawhide
Warren called on Muslims and Christians to work together to create respect, restore civility to civilization, promote peace and tackle major world problems.

1. Respect must be earned.

2. A rabid dog will not be civil, no matter how much you want him to be.

3. To expect peace from those whose only goal is to kill or enslave you is suicide.

4. The biggest "world problem" is Islam. How you gonna "tackle" that with those who hold to its tenets?

10 posted on 07/04/2009 7:34:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The fiat of the Almighty, "Let there be Light," has not yet spent its force." - Frederick Douglass)
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To: ElayneJ

““I am commanded to love and I am commanded to respect everybody,” Warren said.””

You are commanded to protect and defend the innocent. They cut off female genitalia over there. They execute rape victims.


11 posted on 07/04/2009 7:34:35 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: rawhide

“(Rick) Warren calls on Muslims and Christians to work together”

Hey Rick, one faith believes in turning the other cheek while the other believes in beheading those who do not believe in their false god. Just what kind of “working together” can be done under those circumstances?


12 posted on 07/04/2009 7:36:18 PM PDT by Grunthor (Does a crowded elevator smell different to midgets?)
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To: Hazwaste

RESPECT IS EARNED, Rick.


13 posted on 07/04/2009 7:39:38 PM PDT by omega4179 (Not my Communist in Chief.)
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To: rawhide

Maybe he can work with some of the imams we see on Palestinian Media Watch. I’m sure they’d be up for it, after they kill the Jews first.


14 posted on 07/04/2009 7:41:21 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: rawhide

Rickie Pooh had better read the Koran before speaking about Islam, lest he eventually find out about core Islamic methods of dealing with the unbeliever.


15 posted on 07/04/2009 7:43:12 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: ElayneJ

Jesus commanded us to love our enemy. I believe he also commanded us to care and protect for our family.


16 posted on 07/04/2009 7:43:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Marie2

Yes, that’s right. Jesus never commanded us to hold hands with the persecutors and find common ground.


17 posted on 07/04/2009 7:44:53 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: rawhide
Well, the first thing we need to do is convert them to Christianity.

If Warren doesn't agree with that then he should give up any leadership position in the church.

18 posted on 07/04/2009 7:46:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A new Dark Ages made all the more terrible and prolonged by the sinister powers of science.")
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To: rawhide

No.


19 posted on 07/04/2009 7:46:43 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: driftdiver

I am gonna take this to heart an invite all the Muslims in NW Florida to a good old Southern Pig B-bq and shark fishing trip.LOL


20 posted on 07/04/2009 7:48:50 PM PDT by Canes101
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To: rawhide

NO; instead of talking about “respect” Rev. Warren ought to talk about converting the Muslims (which does mean respecting them as persons, natually, but not as Muslims or Islam)-which is a false devils’ theology!


21 posted on 07/04/2009 7:51:21 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: rawhide

Rick Warren, you are commanded to love them and they are commanded to kill you. Now all you need to do is find the middle ground. Working together should solve the problem.


22 posted on 07/04/2009 7:51:49 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: driftdiver

“Jesus commanded us to love our enemy. I believe he also commanded us to care and protect for our family.”

Yes, but we’re not asked to compromise our beliefs for the sake of unity. Jesus told us to follow him and forsake all others.


23 posted on 07/04/2009 7:51:53 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: BenLurkin

Agreed!


24 posted on 07/04/2009 7:52:08 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: BenLurkin

Agreed!


25 posted on 07/04/2009 7:52:08 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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To: Canes101

Sounds like a great plan.


26 posted on 07/04/2009 7:52:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rawhide

Muslims need to convert to Christianity. That’s what they need, Rick.


27 posted on 07/04/2009 7:52:57 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Just say "No" to socialism.)
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To: ElayneJ

“Yes, but we’re not asked to compromise our beliefs for the sake of unity. Jesus told us to follow him and forsake all others.”

Spending time with someone is not forsaking your beliefs. Besides how else would you convert them?

Jesus also told us to leave the 99 sheep in search of the 1 lost one.


28 posted on 07/04/2009 7:55:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rawhide

“Be not overcome with evil but overcome evil with good...”

Also Paul wrote of the dangers and heresy of mixing beliefs such as was common with some of the early churches.
My Christianity needs no quotes, if he is teaching that faiths can work together in accordance then he is WRONG and his is “christianity”.


29 posted on 07/04/2009 7:55:59 PM PDT by mkcc30 ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rawhide
More on this news:

A Southern Baptist, Warren has a record of upsetting fellow Christian conservatives by calling old-guard evangelical activists too partisan and narrowly focused. Ahead of his speech Saturday, bloggers who follow Warren had already denounced his appearance at the convention as cozying up to extremists.

Warren acknowledged the controversy during his 20-minute speech.

"It's easier to be an extremist of any kind because then you only have one group of people mad at you," he said. "But if you actually try to build relationships — like invite an evangelical pastor to your gathering — you'll get criticized for it. So will I."

In his speech, Warren also urged Muslims and Christians to speak out against stereotyping of any group and to respect each other even while disagreeing. Addressing Muslims who "have been in America for many generations now," he urged them to help "the newcomers learn what it means to be American."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i-0awwqcG0uDzbrdzImYN76gqasQD9980P601

30 posted on 07/04/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: BenLurkin

Exactly, the great commision was to go out into all the world and spread the Gospel which is salvation through Christ, otherwise his death and resurrection where in vain.


31 posted on 07/04/2009 7:57:43 PM PDT by mkcc30 ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rawhide

Rich is still wondering why the Jews were not nice to the Nazis. They all could have had such a nice relationship.

Ricky, time to grow up and get a real job and face reality.


32 posted on 07/04/2009 7:59:08 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: ElayneJ

Matt. 5 - from the sermon on the mount. The message from Jesus was an indication of His very high standards - of perfection. Of course, much like the OT law, it’s clearly a mirror to reflect back to us just how spiritually bankrupt we are in our own strength. Such a (correct) conclusion leads the right-thinking person to realize their extreme need for a redeemer who lived the perfect life (that we are are incapable of living) in our place.


33 posted on 07/04/2009 7:59:09 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Hazwaste

You said it in a nutshell!


34 posted on 07/04/2009 8:01:49 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Grunthor
Hey Rick, one faith believes in turning the other cheek while the other believes in beheading those who do not believe in their false god. Just what kind of “working together” can be done under those circumstances?

Spot ON!!! Rick Warren IMO is now doing the devil's work.

At the heart of the Christian faith are three fundamental beliefs that are not negotiable. First, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He was born without sin, of the Virgin Mary. Second, Jesus Christ suffered and died for our sins on the Cross. After which, he rose from the dead conquring death freeing us all from sin. Third, as a result of his birth, death and resurrection which free's us from our sin the only way to Heaven and to be with Our Father is through accepting Jesus Christ as our savior.

There is no negotiation on these fundamental, basic tenets of the Christian Faith. Muslims routinely mock Christ. They do not believe he is the Son of God. They ridicule the Virgin Mary. They claim that Christ's death and resurrection was a 'hoax' perpetrated by his followers stealing his body from the tomb in which it was laid.

To this day, muslims around the world are persecuting Christians by driving them from their homes in Indonesia, Liberia, parts of Kenya and elsewhere. They are being forced to convert to islam or die.

In the history of the world, every major world religion has undergone a reformation and renounced violence EXCEPT for islam.

Now I have to ask a fundamental question of Rick Warren: Exactly how can any good, right thinking Christian ever allow themselves to be duped into having a "respectful" dialogue with the very muslims who belittle our faith or force Christians (and others) at the point of a gun to convert to islam in the belief that theirs is superior?

Rick Warren is truly lost IMO.

35 posted on 07/04/2009 8:02:51 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: driftdiver

Agreed but we are not to “walk in the counsel of the ungodly” and that is what I get from this article. Of course we love all people but NOT their ways.

It is rather simple follow the example set by Jesus which means to go amongst the “sick” with charity and forgiveness but like he told the adultress “go and SIN no more.”


36 posted on 07/04/2009 8:05:28 PM PDT by mkcc30 ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: usconservative
This Rick Warren is a heretic if he openly preaches what he is quoted here.

Also, all of northern Africa and the Middle East used to be Christian societies until the Muslims invaded, starting in the 600s, and massacred or drove out tens of millions of Christians.

Did the Prophet Elijah "respect" the priests of Baal? Did Lot "respect" the leaders of Sodom and Gomorrah? Did Jesus Christ "respect" Satan?

37 posted on 07/04/2009 8:10:07 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: driftdiver

You’re right - spending time with someone isn’t compromising, but I had the impression from the article that Warren considered the two faiths to be equal. And the word “respect” was interesting, because I’m quite sure this word wasn’t used in this way in the Bible at all. So I don’t believe we were called to respect a way of thinking that is contrary to our belief faith. But, no, I’m not saying Christians and Muslims shouldn’t spend time together or be friends or colleagues.


38 posted on 07/04/2009 8:10:57 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: usconservative

“In the history of the world, every major world religion has undergone a reformation and renounced violence EXCEPT for islam”

Uhh you might want to talk to some Christians in India who have been quite oppressed by some Hindu natioanlists there!


39 posted on 07/04/2009 8:14:19 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: ElayneJ

“but I had the impression from the article that Warren considered the two faiths to be equal. “

My comments weren’t directed to his nonsense but to your post.

There are 4 main sects to the Islam faith. The violent one, Wahabism, has led to nearly all of the problems recently. The other sects are more peaceful and many followers are less than faithful. The big difference for them is they outlaw any other religions and kill muslims who convert.

Christianity has been at war with Islam since Muhammad (pig feces upon him) raped his first child and slept with his first camel.


40 posted on 07/04/2009 8:18:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rawhide

Guess 2 Cor. 6:14-18 isn’t in Rick’s Bible.

Historically, when you merge good and evil in a dialogue, evil takes over the good. See the pre-flood civilizations.

It’s the sin of Balaam.


41 posted on 07/04/2009 8:29:10 PM PDT by lurk
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To: rawhide

I don’t have much time in my life to conduct joint projects with muslims.

I will, however, do my part by raising my christian children to understand the Golden Rule. I will include jewish people in this lesson.

I hope muslim moms across the world will do the same.


42 posted on 07/04/2009 8:34:26 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: rawhide

Is this guy just getting senile in his later years???


43 posted on 07/04/2009 8:35:12 PM PDT by mrsixpack36
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To: driftdiver

Oh. And my comment was in response to the one about taking care of our families. (It gets complex here sometimes. :))


44 posted on 07/04/2009 8:40:50 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: rawhide

Warren is snake oil salesman conman and fool. He is clueless about over a thousand of years of history of Islam. Rick Warren of the Camel Back Dhiminitude Church.


45 posted on 07/04/2009 8:42:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: chasio649

def hard to work with someone who wants to elimitate all christians.


46 posted on 07/04/2009 8:56:24 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: rawhide

Rick Warren thinks HE wrote the Book, not that he should actually be listening to the One who wrote it.


47 posted on 07/04/2009 9:00:50 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Frantzie
Warren is snake oil salesman conman and fool.

I think he's worse. He's a "Christian" pastor who cares more about cooperating with evil than he does sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He's leading his congregation straight to hell via inconsequential diversions.

48 posted on 07/04/2009 9:01:07 PM PDT by Hazwaste (Liberals love the average American the same way that foxes love the average chicken.)
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To: rawhide

Rick, read the Qu’ran. Especially the latter Su’ras.


49 posted on 07/04/2009 9:03:19 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (1st call: Abbas. 1st interview: Al Arabiya. 1st energy decision: halt drilling in UT. Arabs 1st!)
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To: Grunthor

Some “Christians” think hugs and compromise can solve every problem. So what’s the compromise position with a religion that wants everyone else dead or enslaved or between a fetus and an abortion doctor? Read THE Book Rick, there is no compromise with evil.


50 posted on 07/04/2009 9:07:58 PM PDT by hometoroost (Torture? Would you rather do 5 years at Gitmo or 5 hours with the Muslims?)
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