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Get Over it, Sarah is gone as a National Candidate
vanity | 7-5-09 | Bob J

Posted on 07/05/2009 10:24:13 AM PDT by Bob J

Sarah is now unelectable on a national stage. The “quitter” specter will hang around her neck like “swimmer” does to Ted Kennedy.

You’ll be able to spot the realistic, clear thinking conservatives because they see and admit this early so we can put it behind us get on with identifying the candidates who can win in ‘12.

BTW - This doesn’t rule out a tangential private career ala Newt or a run for a House or Senate seat (although I don’t know where at this point) but as a national candidate she is toast.

That so many conservatives can’t see this is one of the reasons we lose so often...in campaigns and ideology.

It’s quite sad but something I’ve learned to live with. At one point I thought the conservative cause in this country could be galvanized around solid principles, sober and realistic goals and turned into an effective winning strategy and movement. But I’ve come to realize too many voluntarily ignore the ugly realities of politics and put their faith in Hail Mary passes, and frankly, are just too lazy for the time and effort needed to bring this country back to where they profess they want it to be.


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Posted this is a reply but thought it needed to be discussed more thoroughly. Grieving over Sarah is fine, but let's admit the political realities of the situation and move on to more fruitful endeavors.
1 posted on 07/05/2009 10:24:13 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: Bob J

This is horsesh!t....


2 posted on 07/05/2009 10:25:20 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Bob J

don’t agree.

sarah’s running.


3 posted on 07/05/2009 10:25:45 AM PDT by ken21 (i am not voting for a rino-progressive.)
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To: Bob J

I agree. You can’t quit as President just because the press is roughing you up.


4 posted on 07/05/2009 10:26:11 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Bob J

Total bullcrap..

get the heck outta here..

these are not normal times


5 posted on 07/05/2009 10:26:27 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin 2012)
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To: Bob J

Exactly, We love her, but you don’t quit.


6 posted on 07/05/2009 10:26:34 AM PDT by lookout88 (.combat rescue officer's dad,)
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To: Bob J

Get a life!!

Sarah has one, way bigger than it appears you could ever imagine.


7 posted on 07/05/2009 10:26:49 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: Bob J

You might be right. OTOH, having the nickname “The Swimmer” has not seemed to really hurt Ted Kennedy in any substantive way. He very nearly unseated a sitting president (Carter) at the Democrat Convention in 1980. The rules are different for Democrats, I grant you.


8 posted on 07/05/2009 10:26:49 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Bob J

Show me how “Swimmer” has hurt Ted Kennedy in the least.


9 posted on 07/05/2009 10:26:54 AM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: Bob J

And what is your expertise, other than being able to repeat the echo chamber talking point.

Pray for America and Gov Palin


10 posted on 07/05/2009 10:27:07 AM PDT by bray (Rope & Chains)
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To: Bob J
... let's admit the political realities of the situation and move on to more fruitful endeavors.

Move on ... move on ... where have I heard that before?

11 posted on 07/05/2009 10:27:14 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Baldrick, to you the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?")
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To: LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot

It forced Ted to drop out of the 1980 Democrat primary.


12 posted on 07/05/2009 10:28:10 AM PDT by counterpunch (In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.)
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To: Bob J

Something else we need to get over is that the GOP is also gone as a National Party. Mehgan McCain? Gimme a break!


13 posted on 07/05/2009 10:28:48 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: Bob J

The artillery is not being removed from the field, it is being moved to higher ground which affords greater flexibility and destructive firepower onto the enemy lines.


14 posted on 07/05/2009 10:28:52 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Bob J
Get Over it, Sarah is gone as a National Candidate

Simply because you say so? Get over yourself.

15 posted on 07/05/2009 10:29:02 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (ESPN MNF: 3 Putzes talking about football on TV while I'm trying to watch a game.)
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To: lookout88
Better to step down and let someone on the ground run the state versus non-stop campaigning in which she is never in Alaska.

How long did Obama campaign and never show up for work?

16 posted on 07/05/2009 10:29:13 AM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (0bama is my President...and he's out to get me!)
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To: Bob J

You are entitled to your opinion. But you don’t need to elevate it above the VANITY it is. You have been here long enough to know better.


17 posted on 07/05/2009 10:29:23 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Bob J

The political reality is such that times right now are unlike any we’ve witnessed in recent history - the old rules don’t apply anymore. “Obama” politics have negated that. The good-old-boys in the GOP have shown themselves to be utterly impotent against it. Instead of fighting the other side - they have joined them.

Sarah is an outsider. Sarah does things her way. Sarah is popular with the people. The pundits (on both sides) hate her because THEY haven’t made her what she is. THE PEOPLE HAVE. We’re playing a whole new ballgame here.

We totally expect the media to denounce her as “finished” - that’s part of their game plan, but I’m willing to bet that Sarah is a better chess player than them. They are so “yesterday” and that ain’t working anymore.


18 posted on 07/05/2009 10:29:37 AM PDT by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: Bob J
The first political reality is that the only way you can organize and run a Presidential campaign is to set up shop in the "48".

Anchorage Alaska is just about 3,400 miles away from DC.

That's an 8 hour trip to and fro ~ no way you can do stuff in AK and do stuff in the "48".

Sarah improved her position immensely by dumping what had become a rinky dink job in a very underpopulated part of the world.

Frankly the ethics law there needs some serious revision or the only people Alaskans are going to find willing to run for public office are professional thieves and lesbian political activists ~ or maybe somebody willing to murder their opponents in their beds.

19 posted on 07/05/2009 10:29:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bob J

I’d guess that anybody who could rally the conservative base as she had, would be attacked just as much. I hope you’re wrong. We need to quit putting forth milk-toast candidates.


20 posted on 07/05/2009 10:29:46 AM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: Bob J

WWe can waste our energies debating the prospects of future leaders or we can raise hell with representatives and functionaries we have today.

Which do we think will stop Cap-and-Crap and Socialized Medicine in the weeks ahead.


21 posted on 07/05/2009 10:30:07 AM PDT by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: Bob J

where oh where is the “ oh not this s-it again” guy?


22 posted on 07/05/2009 10:30:08 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Paleo Conservative

It is like the BCS. Does Marshall University have a chance to make the National Championship game ? NO...Unfortunately, you need a lot of money to run for President.

she needed to get out of Alaska, make some money and take control of her image.


23 posted on 07/05/2009 10:30:08 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (Palin 2012)
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To: ken21

Hmmm...nearly 600,000 supporters on Facebook. Yeah...she’s ‘finished’. ROTF!


24 posted on 07/05/2009 10:30:19 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Tallguy

“You might be right. OTOH, having the nickname “The Swimmer” has not seemed to really hurt Ted Kennedy in any substantive way.”

It’s why he never ran for President. With that kind of baggage one get elected via to a provincial post via brute force political machine, but as a national candidate it is non starter.


25 posted on 07/05/2009 10:30:26 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: Bob J
No need to grieve. She is just starting and has now jumped in with both feet.

She is going to speak conservative issues and values all over this country and gain personal politcal capital. Then, she is going to support conservative candidates in 2010 and help them win and gain more political capital. Then she is going to take all of that and apply it in an awesome run for the White House in 2012.

...and she will have my complete support in so doing.

Others clearly disagree. Time and a lot of rolled up sleeves and good old fashioned work at the local level will tell the story. But I will give my all to that effort as long as it lasts.


26 posted on 07/05/2009 10:30:38 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Bob J

>>>... move on to more fruitful endeavors.

Which would be? Git with Mit???


27 posted on 07/05/2009 10:30:44 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (ESPN MNF: 3 Putzes talking about football on TV while I'm trying to watch a game.)
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To: Keith in Iowa; Bob J
Simply because you say so? Get over yourself.

No kidding!

28 posted on 07/05/2009 10:31:23 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Bob J
"too many voluntarily ignore the ugly realities of politics and put their faith in Hail Mary passes, and frankly, are just too lazy for the time and effort needed to bring this country back.."

Lazy? Bite me, pal. Maybe some have moved beyond the vested interests of your wholesale politics.


29 posted on 07/05/2009 10:31:32 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Bob J

“national candidates” are those who can draw BOTH crowds and money. Palin can do both. Romney might bring in money but I dont know anyone who would sit in traffic 4 hours to see him speak.

As far as “hanging the label of quitter around her neck”... LOL. She’s been called worse. As has her baby and other children.

Her first national campaign should be against the sewer that calls itself American journalism. Bring it on.


30 posted on 07/05/2009 10:31:59 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: Bob J

“It’s stupid to think that you know what this move means because nobody does.” They haven’t said. - Rush Limbaugh


31 posted on 07/05/2009 10:32:00 AM PDT by paulycy (Liberal DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE crimes.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

If she mounts a 24/7 bash Obama campaign then I will think it is a good thing she resigned.


32 posted on 07/05/2009 10:32:18 AM PDT by lookout88 (.combat rescue officer's dad,)
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To: Bob J

Somehow you’ve managed to transmogrify Governor Palin’s resignation into a story about you. Swell.


33 posted on 07/05/2009 10:32:24 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: freebilly

Yup, utter horsesh!t. Take this line as one example:

“Sarah is now unelectable on a national stage. The ‘quitter’ specter will hang around her neck like ‘swimmer’ does to Ted Kennedy.”

Yeah, because that “swimmer” tag sure has been Kennedy from getting elected. Uh huh.

Didn’t even bother reading past that...


34 posted on 07/05/2009 10:32:28 AM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: Bob J
If you are right, and I'm not saying you are, time is running out to start picking who we want as our next President.

The RATS never stop campaigning - so we need to join the fray ASAP.

What's your plan for a winner?????????????

36 posted on 07/05/2009 10:32:57 AM PDT by LADY J (T)
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To: Bob J

I agree. I think her move was an obvious jump away from elective office for good, but I do think she can do more for conservatives as a fundraiser and advocate.


37 posted on 07/05/2009 10:33:13 AM PDT by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: Bob J

If I accept your premise then we may as well fold our tents and go home because there will be no electable conservatives in your future or mine.

Fortunately, I do not accept your premise.


38 posted on 07/05/2009 10:33:29 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: counterpunch
It forced Ted to drop out of the 1980 Democrat primary.

No it didn't. It was his interview with Roger Mudd that did it - the one where he responded incoherently when Mudd asked him why he wanted to be President.

39 posted on 07/05/2009 10:33:43 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Bob J
Oh yeah, nothing like a fellow conservative dolt.

Nixon done and out in the Eisenhower administration. "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore.( actually earlier )

Reagan done in the ‘60’s

40 posted on 07/05/2009 10:33:43 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Bob J

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

I disagree. vehemently. adamantly. completely.

She has just changed the playing field.

Alaska is in good hands and she will help fuel a takeover in congress in 2010 that will have liberals wondering what happened.

By 2012 she’ll have visited most states in the union and the conservative base will be on fire.


41 posted on 07/05/2009 10:34:01 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: Bob J

Well, then what do you recommend that someone at her juncture in a political career do?

I would say the template to look at is Dan Quayle, and he never was able to transform the image, hammered in place over 4 years of unrelenting mockery. And nothing he could do would ever shake that, even though it was an unfair caricature.

I think Palin sees this, and rather than be used as a punching bag for the next 18 months - constrained to Alaska, which is outside of the media markets which traffic in attacks on her - she is opening up the option to be more visible and more in control of the media image she has.

Is that what she is planning? I have no idea. But rather than being a static target for the media to paint her as hey will, she now has much more ability to shape her image. Too bad the McCain folks gave that so little thought back in the summer of 2008.


42 posted on 07/05/2009 10:35:00 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Bob J

I don’t think that Palin’s resignation necessarily marks the end of her political career although her political enemies are going to try to paint her as a quitter or perhaps even some kind of nut. However, if she does decide to run for President in 2012, then her performance in the primaries will demonstrate whether or not she was foolish to resign as governor a year before her term was up. In other words, if she is unelectable, she won’t make it through the primary process and she won’t get the nomination.

I can’t say that I really understand why she is resigning but I respect her decision. She and her family have been targets of an unrelenting campaign of hatred and it must have taken its toll on her. I can’t really blame her for wanting to step down.


43 posted on 07/05/2009 10:35:02 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: All

That so many don’t understand what Chappaquidic did to TK’s national political prospects underscores the lack of political understanding among so many conservatives and why time after time we pick the wrong candidates to back.


44 posted on 07/05/2009 10:35:03 AM PDT by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.")
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To: Bob J

She owes no one anything. I support her decision and her priorities. I am not disappointed because she never told ANYONE she planned to run for president. It’s silly to draw baseless conclusions about her future plans.


45 posted on 07/05/2009 10:35:13 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Bob J
The political reality is that Sarah is now free to appear on the state-run media 24/7, FOR FREE, from now until she files for the presidential nomination.

The state-run media can't help themselves. They will give her more free air time than any potential candidate in history, simply because they hate and fear her so much.

Sara 20102 is very much alive.

46 posted on 07/05/2009 10:35:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Bob J

Your position is identical to the Beltway pundits.

I don’t mean “kind of like it” or “vaguely resembles it.”

I mean identical.

I heard Juan Williams voice exactly your sentiments on Fox this morning.

As for Palin (and I have never been her cheerleader), she addressed and identified your issue by calling what she has been undergoing since November “superficial wasteful political bloodsport”, and she doesn’t want to play anymore.

You must have missed this as well:

“We are not retreating. We are advancing in another direction.”

We shall see whether she must play your game - which is the game of the Beltway bloodsport - to build and win a political movement.


47 posted on 07/05/2009 10:35:53 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Bob J
I agree with the import and the tenor of your post. It is a terribly sad situation for the conservative cause and no doubt for the Sarah Palin family personally. I am sure we all wish her well as I have no doubt she would wish the conservative movement.

Time is wasting, we must find someone who can articulate opposition to the Obama assault on liberties. If Sarah Palin were interested in running she would've made the case in her departure speech but she did not.

We have to get rid of the chairman of the Republican National Committee and put somebody in there who can keep his foot out of his mouth and make the case against the affront to our liberties both economic and personal. We need someone who can establish a discipline in the House and the Senate and Boehner has taken giant strides recently to redeem a lackluster history and might prove to be the man in the house. The Senate is very problematical but that is the nature of the institution. I am not at all sanguine about our ability to hold the line on Cap and Trade.

We have a crusade to fight and we need a fighter to lead it. Sarah Palin has taken herself out of contention as a fighter. We have to move on.


48 posted on 07/05/2009 10:36:10 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Bob J

I agree.

The dominant media was just getting warmed up and look out if she ever tries politicas on a national scale. They`ll make her wish she were Dan Qaule.She cannot just quit because there is too much heat in the kitchen. That combined with disasterous attack interviews by Kouric et al all adds up to a political career that is finished.

That said, the elite HATE people who abide,live and talk in a plain english/common sense manner. They call it inarticulate,ilbred,and uneducated. Problem is common sense works and common sense would devastate centralized power in the hands of the elit in Washington.

Obama is the opposite. He is articulate and educated. To the elite that means he is one of them, a philosopher king type who knows what`s better for the peons and you more than the peons and you do yourself.To the common sense man in real town America he is an obnoxious bourgeois snob. He has no real world experience at running anything being just a street agitater with a fance Ivy leaugue sheep skin on his wall.


49 posted on 07/05/2009 10:36:21 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Paleo Conservative
She quit as Governor, not as President.

In case you are interested, here is why:

From Here

The Mark Levin show from July 3rd is Worth listening to. Despite what the media is telling you, this is Not Palin doing a cut & run. This is not one of those, if ya can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen, sort of stories. Palin has to remove the millstone of being Governor and do it now if she is going to be a serious contender in 2012. The frivolous ethics lawsuits against her coming from Obama operatives is costing her a fortune, even though she has won 15 out of 15 cases. She can’t hold up a salmon without being sued for breaking some ethics rule. She can’t leave the State, without being hit with more charges. How is she going to compete with the old Republican horses if she is tied down in Alaska. She can’t.

Listen to Levin show archive here.

http://rope.zmle.fimc.net/player/player.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpodloc.andomedia.com%2FdloadTrack.mp3%3Fprm%3D2069xhttp%3A%2F%2Fcitadelcc.vo.llnwd.net%2Fo29%2Fnetwork%2FLevin%2FMP3%2Flevin07032009.mp3>

Did she quit? No, she stepped down for the good of her State and the USA. She is the real deal and cared for more her country than self.

J hope you understand that the left want you to believe she is a Quitter.
50 posted on 07/05/2009 10:36:24 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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