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Georgia freemasons at loggerheads over admission of black man to lodge
The Guardian ^ | 03 July 2009 | Chris McGreal

Posted on 07/05/2009 12:34:49 PM PDT by BGHater

• 26-year-old African American admitted to Atlanta lodge • Issue headed for Masonic trial and state courts

There is much about Freemasonry that remains shrouded in mystery to the outside world. But a group of members in the US state of Georgia appear to have clarified one thing - the supreme being in which all Masons are required to believe is not likely to be black.

Freemasonry lodges in Georgia are at loggerheads over the admission of a "non-white" member to an organisation that was founded on the principles of the Enlightenment but which is apparently still struggling to catch up with the latter part of the 20th century.

Now the issue is headed for a Masonic trial and the state courts after some lodges in Georgia sought to revoke the charter of one in Atlanta for admitting Victor Marshall, a 26-year-old African-American army reservist, last autumn.

The Atlanta lodge has fought back in the state courts by seeking to block the move on the grounds that is based on "racial animosity and hatred".

The row blew up after Marshall attended a celebration in Savannah in February to mark the 275th anniversary of a lodge in the city. Although there are other Masons of colour in Georgia, including Asians and Hispanics, some members were disturbed to encounter a black man and laid a complaint that he did not belong.

"There were ill-informed brethren who were surprised that there was an African-American brother," David Llewellyn, a Freemason and lawyer for the Atlanta lodge, told the New York Times, "and some of them were very upset".

The stipulations to join the Masons are that members must be male, not slaves, of good character and have faith in a supreme being but no mention is made of racial origin.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Society
KEYWORDS: freemasons; georgia; mason; secretsociety

1 posted on 07/05/2009 12:34:50 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

what, no satire tag?


2 posted on 07/05/2009 12:37:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: the invisib1e hand

Come on, not everyday do you see, loggerhead in a title not involving a turtle.


3 posted on 07/05/2009 12:39:31 PM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: BGHater

LOL!


4 posted on 07/05/2009 12:42:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that "hope and change" thing working out?)
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To: BGHater; uglybiker

Wow, what a bunch of jackasses.

Race is SO not an issue in NM grand lodge.


5 posted on 07/05/2009 12:53:53 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Nor in Michigan. What a bunch of clowns. We party with our brothers. Race is just not an issue. Content of their heart not the color of their skin. Ya I’m a brother.


6 posted on 07/05/2009 1:09:11 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I wonder how many Skull n Bones are teh Blackz.


7 posted on 07/05/2009 1:09:48 PM PDT by omega4179 (Not my Communist in Chief.)
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8 posted on 07/05/2009 1:11:53 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: BGHater

Is it clear from this that the Georgia lodge objects to this particular member because he is black? Or are there other grounds? Is it his “blackness” that is at issue?


9 posted on 07/05/2009 1:15:50 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: 70th Division

There are black lodges in the South.


10 posted on 07/05/2009 1:16:46 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

Are the “black lodges” Black-Only groups?


11 posted on 07/05/2009 1:19:07 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: AppyPappy

In the small town where I live in NC. There are 2 separate lodges, one white and one black.


12 posted on 07/05/2009 1:20:03 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: George from New England

Yes. Blacks only.

I was in a “white” fraternity in college. When we started initiating black members, the black fraternities complained that we were stealing their members. It was made worse when one of our black members was elected school president.


13 posted on 07/05/2009 1:42:23 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian; 70th Division

It depends ...in Edmond, Oklahoma, the lodge there once blackballed a friend of mine (who was a white American) because he had a black girlfriend. Next year, another friend of mine (this time an Indian Kenyan ...which is ironic considering what happened the year before) managed to get accepted. The year after that, even after being told that they had become more enlightened (read: less dumb), I decided to approach another lodge. My Indian-Kenyan friend had told me that they had changed, but I couldn’t bring myself to waste time at the particular lodge. I am exceedingly happy where I am.


14 posted on 07/05/2009 1:47:24 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I was raised in Va no issue. Members of our lodge even visit the Prince Hall lodge in DC


15 posted on 07/05/2009 1:47:33 PM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: BGHater

"Most Worshipful Brother F. Ray Jackson, Grand Master of Masons in Georgia, sir:

What about Georgia? When will the Grand Lodge of Georgia accept black Masons as Masons?

When will we overcome the shackles of our own minds and actually live up to the Masonic tenets of the Brotherhood of All Mankind?

When will the rest of the Masonic world stop laughing at what they think of (and rightly so) as the good ol' redneck racist boys down south?

I and countless other Masons in good standing call upon you, the "elected" leader of Masons in Georgia, to stop the racism. Don't hide behind the supposed need for committees and discussions and votes at some Grand Lodge communication five years from now. If you can excommunicate Masons with the stroke of a pen like you and your predecessor Bro. Garner did last year with his edict, you, sir, can recognize Prince Hall Masons with a simple edict as well.

Yeah, many Georgia Masons will be unhappy. Some may even hate you for it. Some may fume and fret and threaten to never attend Blue Lodge again. So what?"


16 posted on 07/05/2009 1:58:27 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: spetznaz

I will tell you, here in Michigan one of the few things we got going for us is that the Okemos lodge has reached out through out the state. We are best friends with the Detroit lodge and we party often. I have a brother who traveles the state. And when he arrives he looks up a lodge. And when he leaves he is a friend and brother. That IS and what is SHOULD be. PERIOD. Ya, I am a Masonic brother.


17 posted on 07/05/2009 2:04:36 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: BGHater

Loggerheads were iron tools used to heat pitch. Pitch, as in ‘pitch black’. OMG RACIST!!!


18 posted on 07/05/2009 3:09:06 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: BGHater

I’m starting my own lodge of Free and Accepted General Contractors. We are way better than the plumbers and masons.


19 posted on 07/05/2009 4:51:20 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: JoeProBono
So Mote It Be, Joe!

I would like to issue the same challenge to the Grand Master of Masons here in South Carolina.

20 posted on 07/05/2009 5:06:01 PM PDT by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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21 posted on 07/05/2009 5:45:01 PM PDT by uglybiker (Only bikers know why dogs stick their heads out of car winders!)
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To: uglybiker; Kibosher

Thanks for the ping, uglybiker. Hope you had a nice vacation.


22 posted on 07/05/2009 5:57:18 PM PDT by panaxanax (Our Founding Fathers: The first American anti-government group.)
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To: JoeProBono

Good post, I was struggling what to say, both out of anger as well as frustration but you put it well. I will certainly shoot off a letter. The fact that this is even an issue counters everything Masonry stands for. The history is one of transcending nationality, race, and religion to find a brotherhood based on shared values. I see no place for this type of attitude in the craft, not to mention in this country. This is most likely the bias of a few members. I believe they need to read up on Prince Hall, what he stood for, and what he gave his life for.


23 posted on 07/05/2009 6:36:23 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Race has never been a issue at my lodge.


24 posted on 07/05/2009 8:49:56 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (A leader does not deserve the name unless he is willing occasionally to stand alone-Henry Kissinger)
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To: uglybiker; Kibosher

Thanks for the Ping


25 posted on 07/05/2009 8:50:48 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (A leader does not deserve the name unless he is willing occasionally to stand alone-Henry Kissinger)
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To: BGHater

Blacks should not be allowed. That’s why they have Prince Hall Lodges.


26 posted on 07/06/2009 9:55:50 AM PDT by BlackjackPershing (?The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree? - Thomas Campbell (Scottish poet))
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To: uglybiker
Of course they should not admit black men. Now black women, well thats another matter. The Queen of Sheba may have an in.
27 posted on 07/06/2009 11:22:39 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: George from New England

Yup. And Chinese only lodges too.


28 posted on 07/06/2009 11:24:46 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7

black women... that brings a question, is there a black version of eastern star?


29 posted on 07/07/2009 5:22:24 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (thank God for Chicago: makes Detroit look wholesome by comparison.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
>>Race is SO not an issue in NM grand lodge.<<

It surely is here in Southeast Texas.

In fact, one of the brothers of “the craft”, made a point to acknowledge, that Barak Obama, member of the Prince Hall lodge, was merely a (Clandestine member).

Very interesting the look on his face when it was mentioned that Barak Obama was a Freemason.

No, I don't think so, he says. Blacks don't become members, only clandestine members.

It appears the brothers, don't like the brothers.

Funny stuff.

30 posted on 07/07/2009 5:34:11 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

That’s stupid.

I’ve visited a number of Texas lodges in West Texas and Pan Handle.

The master of the big lodge (1448) in Midland, TX is black. He’s also a big wig (33) in the Scottish Rite out of Lubbock.


31 posted on 07/10/2009 3:37:30 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
What ever you say.

I can only tell you from MY experiences.

Sorry that upsets your sensibilities.

32 posted on 07/10/2009 7:29:18 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

Yes, masons who are bigots are a disgrace to the fraternity.

It is also a violation of their charters under the Texas Grand Lodge.


33 posted on 07/11/2009 7:26:20 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Defend America from the Communist.)
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