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Was Universe 1.0 Destroyed by Dark Matter?
Daily Galaxy ^ | 7/07/09

Posted on 07/07/2009 1:06:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Did dark matter destroy the universe? You might be looking around at the way things "exist" and thinking "No", but we're talking about ancient history. Three hundred million years after the start of the universe, things had finally cooled down enough to form hydrogen atoms out of all the protons and electrons that were zipping around - only to have them all ripped up again around the one billion year mark. Why?

Most believe that the first quasars, active galaxies whose central black holes are the cosmic-ray equivalent of a firehose, provided the breakup energy, but some Fermilab scientists have another idea. Dan Hooper and Alexander Belikov posit that invisible, self-destructing dark matter may have blown up every atom in the universe. At least it's plausible in that if we wanted to ionize an entire universe, we'd want something that sounded that awesome.

Dark matter is a candidate for providing ionizing radiation because, if it exists at all, it's its own antiparticle: if two dark matter particles hit each other they can blow up. Insane as it sounds, the theory predicts that despite making up most of everything the particles themselves are so tiny, and so terribly fussy about colliding, that they can form huge structures without destroying themselves. Positron emissions which may be an indication of exactly this kind of self-destruction have been observed by the European PAMELA satellite currently orbiting the Earth.

As theories go, this one is more awesome than accepted. The quasar hypothesis has wide support, and crediting something we've never even seen with reshaping the universe may be going a little far. Then again, that's what modern cosmology is doing with dark matter anyway, so maybe this idea will fit right in.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; dark; destroyed; junkscience; matter; oldearthspeculation; sciencefiction; spontaneouslifers; stringtheory; universe10; xplanets; yngrthregurgitation
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1 posted on 07/07/2009 1:06:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Yes.

No.


2 posted on 07/07/2009 1:07:58 PM PDT by angkor
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To: LibWhacker

How do they know this is Universe 1.0? I mean, this may be version 4.8.


3 posted on 07/07/2009 1:08:20 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: LibWhacker

Yes, and it was Bush’s fault.


4 posted on 07/07/2009 1:12:11 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: theDentist

dark matter only exists because without many theories such as “Strings” would fail.

Can you see it? No

Can you touch it? No

Can you feel it? No

Can you measure it? No

Then do you know it is there? Yes

What??? Well it has to be


5 posted on 07/07/2009 1:13:11 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: LibWhacker

No, we’ve all just been moved to a parallel universe. At least, it feels that way to me.


6 posted on 07/07/2009 1:14:08 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: theDentist

If there exists parallel universes what becomes of universe 1.0? Is there then a Universe 1.0 a; Universe 1.0 b etc. etc.?


7 posted on 07/07/2009 1:15:45 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: LibWhacker

I recently had bunch of dark matter pumped out of my septic tank.

Do you think it represents a danger to THIS Universe?


8 posted on 07/07/2009 1:15:53 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

I don’t know about all that, but you could certainly SMELL the dark matter I recently had pumped out of my septic tank.


9 posted on 07/07/2009 1:16:56 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Blue Highway

For all we know, we’re compiling right now!


10 posted on 07/07/2009 1:17:45 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Blue Highway
I heard "Beta testing" of Universe 2.1 is already underway.
11 posted on 07/07/2009 1:17:55 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Blue Highway

What if this is just a beta?


12 posted on 07/07/2009 1:17:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: theDentist

Apparently the current version of Universe is buggy, with numerous inherent vulnerabilities already having been identified, but the upgrade is on hold, pending user acceptance testing.


13 posted on 07/07/2009 1:18:12 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: theDentist

Or Version 7.2

We still do not understand the Universe fully. Problem is as follows:

1. Scientists want to explain everything today
2. They don’t have all the data
3. So they take the “lazy” approach by using tricks like alternate universes

I am not saying that alternate universes don’t exist. But in their hurry to prove String Theory or the Super Gravity Theory they use tricks like have the gravitational force leak FROM (or TO) an alternate Universe.

First there are 9 dimensions. Then suddendly they agree with the Super Gravity guys and say there are 10 dimensions.

First there are only a few alternate universes. Then there are infinite.

Over time we will have launched enough space craft and done enough tests with Super Colliders to come up with evidence of what a true history of the Universe was.

Problem is today all these physicists want to make a name for themselves and get grants and they keep coming up with this unproven crap and everytime they cant solve the mathematics behind it they borrow or lend from an alternate universe.

Obama economics at work!!! :)


14 posted on 07/07/2009 1:20:46 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: andy58-in-nh

Just don’t let any salesmen slip into the lab!


15 posted on 07/07/2009 1:21:03 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: theDentist

“Compiling”

I think that’s the term used by the guy who recently pumped the dark matter out of my septic tank.

PS - I’m sitting here thinking it might be fun to spend the rest of the day posting the phrase: “recently pumped dark matter out of my septic tank” to this thread. I find that phrase strangely amusing... on the other hand, it’s entirely possible that I have finally gone over the edge and have become seriously mentally ill.


16 posted on 07/07/2009 1:23:24 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: anniegetyourgun
No, we’ve all just been moved to a parallel universe.

Is this the one where Mr. Spock has a beard?


17 posted on 07/07/2009 1:23:26 PM PDT by SIDENET ("Join me or die. Can you do any less?" -Mr. Sparkle)
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To: andy58-in-nh

The dark matter which was recently pumped from my septic tank was also “buggy”.


18 posted on 07/07/2009 1:24:16 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS
Do you think it represents a danger to THIS Universe?

That would all depend on your diet.

19 posted on 07/07/2009 1:25:13 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The code word for the new racism is "diversity.")
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To: WayneS
...it’s entirely possible that I have finally gone over the edge and have become seriously mentally ill.

Yet another casualty of Dark Matter.

20 posted on 07/07/2009 1:26:08 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: theDentist

Beware ye the Salesweasels, for they promise Heaven, and instead deliver Purgatory.


21 posted on 07/07/2009 1:26:08 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican

I thought they had evidence of Dark Matter based on its effects on light that mimicked gravity.


22 posted on 07/07/2009 1:26:54 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: LibWhacker
Things really suck because we in Universe Millennium Edition.
23 posted on 07/07/2009 1:27:18 PM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer (Caution, Obama Zombies Ahead!)
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To: WayneS
“recently pumped dark matter out of my septic tank”.... salesweasels....

I think we're on to something.

24 posted on 07/07/2009 1:28:00 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: WayneS

What I want to know is: if matter is entitled to “affirmative action”, does anti-matter deserve “negative action”?


25 posted on 07/07/2009 1:29:29 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: theDentist

Hope God doesn’t decide to put out an emergency service pack, or we are all in trouble.


26 posted on 07/07/2009 1:31:01 PM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: WayneS

Based on event in the last year, I think we must be on Universe Vista Edition.


27 posted on 07/07/2009 1:32:01 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: SoftwareEngineer

“Problem is today all these physicists want to make a name for themselves and get grants and they keep coming up with this unproven crap and everytime they cant solve the mathematics behind it they borrow or lend from an alternate universe.”

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. And they have a short time to do it because we haven’t achieved immortality yet!


28 posted on 07/07/2009 1:36:03 PM PDT by Sertorius (A hayseed with no Greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: LibWhacker

INTREP


29 posted on 07/07/2009 1:41:50 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Flying Circus

I’m sure the Macfaithful™ would disagree with that. They are looking into the future with Mac OSXX 20.3 slated as “Salt Water Harvest Mouse”


30 posted on 07/07/2009 1:49:45 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
Well this theory poses a huge problem. If dark matter poses a negative effect on light as I have heard suggested then the Universe MUST be younger than previously thought. There is no dark matter between the Earth and the Sun and they have measured the speed of light between the two. However, if dark matter slows light is it not feasible, that given enough distance, light would actually stop.

For example, a yellow-orange sun called Chara is 26 light years from the sun. If it takes 26 light years and we have dark matter having a negative effect on it. Would it not be possible that with out it, the light would only need 20 light years, perhaps only 10.

This would of course provide more problems than they are trying to solve.

31 posted on 07/07/2009 1:52:03 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (We the people, ..... never)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
Bastard! That was going to be my post.
32 posted on 07/07/2009 2:05:19 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: Flying Circus
Clearly the Home Basic version with insufficient memory.
33 posted on 07/07/2009 2:06:16 PM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: LibWhacker

Is Obama the dark matter who is destroying the universe now that he has destroyed our economy?


34 posted on 07/07/2009 2:09:35 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Blue Highway
You just have to insert your Mac hostility into everything, don't you? Grow up and do something useful!

********

God said "Cancel Project Genesis". The world ended. -Arthur C. Clarke's shortest story!

OS X Snow Leopard!

35 posted on 07/07/2009 2:18:28 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Words are plentiful, but deeds are precious.- Lech Walesa)
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To: WVKayaker

Lighten up a bit, life is too short to be led around by a be-speckled liberal in a black turtleneck. If you can’t laugh at yourself, there are a bunch of people outside of your cult that certainly can, lol.


36 posted on 07/07/2009 2:22:20 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
I was just commenting on your obvious lack of facts, and that you prefer to continually denigrate Mac users on this forum. It has nothing to do with Apple or Jobs! You never make a coherent argument, just spew your ad hominems.

You're acting like a puppy!


37 posted on 07/07/2009 2:34:32 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Words are plentiful, but deeds are precious.- Lech Walesa)
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To: WVKayaker
I wrote: "I’m sure the Macfaithful™ would disagree with that. They are looking into the future with Mac OSXX 20.3 slated as “Salt Water Harvest Mouse”"

I was just commenting on your obvious lack of facts, and that you prefer to continually denigrate Mac users on this forum. It has nothing to do with Apple or Jobs! You never make a coherent argument, just spew your ad hominems.

You're acting like a puppy!

No facts? You are a perfect example of the cult of Mac iDiots have dubbed the MacFaithful™. FACT

Jobs wears those stupid black turtlenecks. FACT

Macfaithfuls™ love those idiotic names Apple uses like Tiger or Leopard to name their OS version. Lions and Tigers and SNow leopards, oh my.... FACT.

Every comment I made was a fact. What exactly are you having trouble following?

38 posted on 07/07/2009 6:10:25 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: SoftwareEngineer

The last I heard now called the M-theory has 11 dimensions.


39 posted on 07/07/2009 6:22:58 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Steve,

You are correct. M-Theory now has 11 dimensions. Actually they adopted that from the Super Gravity folks to explain the fact that there were four different string theories.

So they decided that adding the 11th dimension would allow them to have a parent theory.

In the end all that did was create a 5th String Theory.

All I am saying is that they may be right and they may be wrong. However they are NOWHERE near understanding the Universe to start expounding the “Real” nature of the Universe.

In fact many people say that a whole new branch of Mathematics will have to be created to solve these problems.

And suddenly borrowing and lending energy from alternate universes is a cheap and lazy way to try and solve your problems.


40 posted on 07/07/2009 6:50:49 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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43 posted on 07/07/2009 7:28:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: WayneS
"I recently had bunch of dark matter pumped out of my septic tank.

Do you think it represents a danger to THIS Universe? "

Well...it wouldn't have if you hadn't pumped it into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue this past January.

44 posted on 07/07/2009 7:39:46 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: SunkenCiv

What a candy store. Dark matter, alternate universes, you could almost make anything fit when you allow everything.


45 posted on 07/09/2009 2:24:04 AM PDT by allmost
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To: BornToBeAmerican

“...looks like it, smells like it, tastes like it...good thing we didn’t step in it...”


46 posted on 07/09/2009 2:33:49 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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...it’s entirely possible that I have finally gone over the edge and have become seriously mentally ill.

Yet another casualty of Dark Matter.

Such things will be prevented when the theoretical particle cap and trade legistation goes into effect.

Would you like to buy some of my theoretical particle credits?

47 posted on 07/09/2009 2:38:19 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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Sign me up.


48 posted on 07/09/2009 3:09:21 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: LibWhacker

LOL... the last sentence of this article is absolutely the most true thing I’ve ever seen about the dark matter hypothesis.


49 posted on 07/09/2009 11:24:08 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: LibWhacker

There is a theory which states that if anyone figures out what the universe is for, and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizzarely inexplicable.
There is another theory which states this has already happened.
- Douglas Adams, H2G2


50 posted on 07/09/2009 11:27:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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