Posted on 07/10/2009 9:34:55 AM PDT by lewisglad
Michael Jackson was raised by Jehovah’s Witnesses and flirted with Scientology and Islam. Now many Christian groups wonder if the King of Pop is residing with the King of Kings.
In the days since Michael Jackson’s death, much has been made of his ability to build bridges. His popularity spread across cultures and demographics. Jackson’s religion—at least what we know of it—followed suit.
His parents raised him in the Jehovah’s Witness tradition, a semi-Christian sect. He was briefly married to Lisa Marie Presley, a Scientologist, and though he reportedly did some fundraising for Scientology, it’s not clear whether he ever converted to the faith. He claimed Rabbi Schmuley Boteach as a good friend, and it was the rabbi who convinced Jackson in 2000 to write a captivating essay in Beliefnet about his love of the Sabbath. Finally, in 2008, Jackson reportedly converted to Islam and began spending much of his time in Bahrain.
Should a child die before reaching the mature state, salvation is theirs. What if Jackson never reached that age of accountability?
But in the days after his death, rumors began to surface that he had become a Christian due to the influence of Gospel singers Andráe and Sandra Crouch, who are co-pastors at New Christ Memorial Church of God in Christ in San Fernando, California. Naturally, this thrilled his Christian fans—witness the thousands of comments on the Facebook page where the rumor began. The Crouches eventually debunked the conversion story, but indicated that Jackson was interested in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and prayed with them.
Clearly, Jackson held an abiding interest in spiritual things, and there was no shortage of “moonwalking in heaven” video tributes following his death. But many of his fans want an answer to the ultimate question: Where is he now? Is Michael Jackson in heaven?
On blogs on Web sites like Christianity Today, a debate is raging in earnest about whether Jackson has made it to the kingdom of heaven. “The couple of times I saw Michael Jackson I could not surpass his genuineness and remember always feeling bad because of all the people who ridiculed him,” says one commenter, noting, “if we deeply think about it, this is exactly what people did to Jesus and Jesus helped people just as Michael did by giving to over 30 charities.” Others point to interviews Jackson gave in which he invoked the Lord’s name. “If you’re in doubt, do some research especially on his interviews with Oprah and Geraldo. He clearly indicated his faith in Christ,” urges another Jackson fan.
But still others find the very idea of Jackson residing with God repellent. “Praying a prayer and accepting Jesus ‘in our hearts.’ That is Americanized Evangelical Christianity at its worst,” writes one about what they see as Jackson’s half-hearted religiosity. “Obviously, this was all for money reasons and to play in Satan's ball field,” insists another of Jackson’s affiliation with the Crouches. “Any heaven Michael heads to is a thinly disguised hell,” asserts a third.
Most Christian pastors and scholars hesitate to give an authoritative answer. “It’s not up to me,” says Rev. Mandy Sloan Flemming, a minister at St. Mark United Methodist Church in Atlanta. “I do not know the heart, mind, or spirit of Michael Jackson, nor do I know which way the wind blows. Only God can know.” Others think it’s the wrong question altogether. “Biblically, I think that those who follow Jesus are actually prohibited from definitively attempting to answer it,” says Adam Ellis, teaching pastor at North August Church of Christ in North Augusta, South Carolina.
That said, “Michael Jackson seemed to be a very troubled man, and that’s just the kind of person God has a history of taking pity on,” says Tony Jones, a theologian, blogger, and author of The New Christians. But like the others, Jones is careful to add, “I’d look askance at any religious leader who would answer that with any degree of certainty,”
God’s pity aside, Jackson exhibited behavior one doesn’t expect from the heaven-bound, from his alleged drug addictions to his accused pedophilia. Still, those don’t automatically exclude him from paradise, says Chris Seay, the pastor of Ecclesia Houston and president of Ecclesia Bible Society. “We shouldn’t be surprised to find someone like Jackson in heaven,” he says, calling attention to biblical passages like Matthew 7:21-23. “Jesus makes it most clear that we will all be surprised to see that the beautiful and upstanding people we thought were ‘locks’ for heaven did not make it in, and the people we thought hell was created for might have the largest palace on our golden street.”
Jackson’s apparent thirst for spiritual enlightenment is one thing working in his favor, says Rev. Paul Leon Ramsey, pastor of Mayflower Congregational Church in Englewood, Colorado. “If God is a loving parent and a benevolent creator, I can’t really see God giving eternal damnation to anyone who desired to be one with God.” And wherever he is, Ramsey says, Jackson can still choose God even now. “I don’t believe that God is confined by the same [temporal] boundaries we are. Death is not the end for God, and because God desires eternal union with us, death is not the end for us. Death is not even the end for Michael Jackson.”
Jason Poling, the pastor at New Hope Community Church in Pikesville, Maryland, brings up a unique scenario related to Jackson’s mental and emotional state. Many conservative evangelicals, trusting in the mercy of God, believe all children are automatically heaven-bound until they reach the “age of accountability”—an undefined point at which they become responsible for their own choices and morality. Should they die before reaching that mature state, salvation is theirs. What if, Poling asks, Jackson never reached the age of accountability? Jackson was only 8 years old when he began touring with the Jackson 5. From that point on, he lived an increasingly insulated life, one that seemed to strand him in a state of arrested development. “The only reason I might hope that Jackson has been accepted into God’s presence has to do with the fact that, in many ways, his life was one of perpetual, and increasingly bizarre, childhood,” he says. “If God somehow receives children before an age of accountability, it may be that he has received one of a very advanced chronological age. But I doubt it.”
Other pastors are equally doubtful. After making the usual caveat (“I did not see his heart and I am not God”), Josh King says Jackson’s public persona didn’t give him much hope of a heavenly destination. “As tragic and hurtful as it is,” he says, “Michael seemed to bear no fruit or actions that would suggest that he had a personal relationship with Christ Jesus.” King, the associate pastor to millennials at First Baptist Church in Mansfield, Texas, says the accusations and oddities of Jackson’s life aren’t the issue—the things missing from his life are the issue. “It seemed as though he had no accountability with other believers. He did not share in community with other Christ followers. He did not appear to share the message and hope of Christ with those around him.” God blessed Jackson with an undeniable platform and talent, King says, but the star failed to use those things to honor God, wasting them in pursuit of wealth, fame, and acceptance.
Derek Jacks, student pastor at Birmingham’s Rocky Ridge Church, suggests Tuesday’s memorial service also lacked evidence of Jackson’s faith. “If we take the memorial service seriously, all those there praised Michael for who he was. No one praised God for how he had worked in Michael’s life,” Jacks says. "[There was] no mention of Michael's good deeds as a response to God's grace...Michael was praised for doing all he did on his own."
Regardless of Jackson’s eternal destination, his life and death ought to lead us to introspection, says Jason Salamun, pastor at Project Church in Rapid City, South Dakota. “The death of Michael Jackson, and the recent slew of celebrity deaths, has reminded me that the end of this life ends with a comma, not a period, and to live like today’s my last day here on earth.”
Is Michael Jackson in heaven? We don’t know, and to speculate about it makes pastors uncomfortable. What we do know is that Jackson’s spiritual pedigree—like his life—seemed extremely complex. No one disputes that Michael Jackson was lost, and that he spent his life searching. The hope is that, somehow, he got found.
Jason Boyett is the author of the upcoming books Pocket Guide to the Afterlife, Pocket Guide to the Bible, and Pocket Guide to Sainthood, releasing in August from Jossey-Bass.
If his soul isn’t, at least his body sure has a nice coffin.
"Derek Jacks, student pastor at Birmingham’s Rocky Ridge Church, suggests Tuesday’s memorial service also lacked evidence of Jackson’s faith. “If we take the memorial service seriously, all those there praised Michael for who he was. No one praised God for how he had worked in Michael’s life,” Jacks says. "[There was] no mention of Michael's good deeds as a response to God's grace...Michael was praised for doing all he did on his own."
I don't know, did they bury him in a Boy Scout camp?
A question we have no business asking.
I’d take odds on purgatory.
Last I heard, no one knew where he was going to be buried.
hehe...
Indeed...
We need a .gov study to determine the answer.
Luke 17:2
Me thinks that is the least of his problems right now...
You guys on these religious threads flip me out. Answer to your question!!!Who gives a rats ass!!!
"I am The Way, The Truth and The Life and no one comes to The Father, except by ME!"
Jesus is The Path to Heaven and The Only Path.
Is it possible to ask a more stupid and unanswerable question?
“Should a child die before reaching the mature state, salvation is theirs”
I don’t trust anyone who makes statements regarding the afterlife as if they are objective facts.
His salvation is not for me to judge. It’s between him and God.
If you hear a “loud rumble” tonite in the sky, don’t worry. It’s not thunder. It’s Elvis beatin’ the $h!t out of Micheal Jackson for marrying his daughter.
Not right now...Only God can say.
That is an irrelevant point. It was a public spectacle meant for the public. What happened however at his private ceremony could have been just what this guy wants. Either way I could give a crap. We aren’t God, just men. Our opinions right now are irrelevant to where MJ may or may not reside.
Or attempting to answer.
Got that right.
There’s nothing wrong with asking the question. We may not like to because in looking at him, we cannot help but look at ourselves and at our short comings, but a little introspection from time to time is a good thing.
“By their fruit you will recognize them.” Matt 7:16
Only God knows where he is now.
One thing is sure, he abused himself and others. The consequences of a LAVISH, self centered lifestyle, by choice are clear. He paid the ultimate punishment for his life style choices.
The God I know, isn't going to be very impressed with how he spent his life. The question remains, was belief present? It is belief that will get you to heaven. I can't answer that. He may be there by the “skin of his teeth” or in hell. I always found it interesting that many of his videos featured that dark side - flames and dead people ... was this a subconscious fear of where he may end up?
What's also curious is how people worry if he believed in Jesus - not Islam's Allah. Yes, it is Christ that will save you and offer eternity in heaven. Let MJ get you thinking about where YOU will spend eternity. It's too late for MJ. He's is either in heaven or hell. The decision was made when he stopped breathing. No mortal can change where he is now.
For believers:
2Cor.5:8
[8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
If belief IS present - you WILL be present with the Lord.
If belief is NOT present - you will NOT be present with the Lord.
No amount of “prayers for the dead” will change that.
Putting aside all the humor about Jacko in Heaven...
I thought he went over to the moose-lim side.
Seriesly. Am I wrong in remembering he went all Islamic?
..doesn't reflect a heart given over to Christ, or a repentant soul.
To me, it reflects a soul in bondage to the enemy of Christ.
What good does all the trappings of earthly success do if you are in hell for eternity?
Luke.17:1-2
[1] Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
[2] It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
Amen!
He did not say ... and we do not know his heart condition. God knows.
I guess that’s between the Lord and Michael....However, it is my personal belief that his fancy schmancy coffin should have had an air-conditioning unit installed.
I’m about to ask Jim Rob how much I would have to donate to for him to have the Admin Mod strike all future Michael Jackson articles from FR.
Michael will be judged fairly for all the good, and all the bad, he did in this life. Whether he has to pay the sentence himself or he had Christ pay it for him, I don’t know. I have a personal opinion, but it isn’t a certainty.
This goes back to David’s child and what he stated in
2 Samuel - that he’d be with the son in heaven.
Michael’s playing gin rummy with Adolph and Jeffery Dahmer now.
I believe Jackson is right where God knew he would be when He created Jackson.
God has not told me and I am sure he has not told anyone else...so why are we asking these types of questions?
“I believe Jackson is right where God knew he would be when He created Jackson.”
BEST RESPONSE EVER!
That is exactly RIGHT.
The three “O’s” by defninition make it true as well as verses in the Bible.
THank you - I will make it a point to remember that response.
That is surely above anyone’s pay grade.
"It's Michael Jackson, RUN!"
I don't know, did they bury him in a Boy Scout camp?"
LOL that's funny....
Sure
Close, but no cigar. The only comparison I need to do to recognize my shortcomings begins and ends at the cross.
Do I believe if Michael Jackson has gone to Heaven? YES
I say that because God is of judgment but also a MERCIFUL GOD.
I know many will not agree with me but that is what is beautiful of open opinions. Michael was none other but a LOST SOUL living among the living here on Earth, just like Marilyn Monroe. No doubt Michael was a gifted child. A gift from God. I believe Michael was carrying a lot of deep emotional scars. No doubt he had a serious childhood regression. A little kid in a man’s body. All this due to I believe, his father’s abuse and I suspect Michael may have been molested also.
Individuals who were molested or abused as children never recover but they move forward in their lives and grow up. Some DON’T. Some do regress into childhood but not severely like Michael. Michael case is a severe mental issue.
As for his faith, I believe Michael did believe in Jesus. So maybe he was not a church goer nor did he publicly espouse HIM. Yet, somewhere deep in his Heart, he loved HIM. Also I understand he called on Andrea Crouch and his sister Sandra and they prayed and sing hymns and asked about the anointing of the Holy Spirit. This was last month just prior to his death.
As for calling him a child molester. There is no proof that he did. How many child molester acknowledge in public they sleep with kids? I believe there was only 2 kids that accused him, after so many many kids went to Neverland.
All I can say is this:
God is merciful. I can see God opening his arms to hug Michael and telling “Michael, your pain is over...come home”. So yes I like to believe Michael is in Heaven =).
If Jackson remained an unrepentant pederast at his death as he was in life, then he's shown himself to be condemned and is most likely roasting in hell.
Thought you might be interested in this....Michael quotes scripture during interrogation...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZKnI-np2Dk&feature=related
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