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Federal Judge to hear Obama Birth Certificate on the Merits!
Emails ^ | JULY 13TH, 2009 | Alan Peters

Posted on 07/13/2009 8:48:39 PM PDT by FARS

Obama eligibility case will be heard on the merits !! Please distribute everywhere.

At the hearing today at the Federal Court building in Santa Ana, Judge Carter reportedly said the following: 1. There will be a trial. 2. It will be heard on the merits. 3. Nothing will be dismissed on proceedural issues. 4. The trial will be expeditious, and the judge pledged to give case priority. 5. Being a former Marine he realizes the importance of having a Constitutionally qualified POTUS/CINC. 6. Judge stated that if Obama isn't Constitutionally qualifed he needs to leave the White House.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
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To: Polarik

lol! Okay, friend. I won’t mention them again aind will source others.

Message receive loud and clear.

Post on.


801 posted on 07/17/2009 10:32:13 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: David

I don’t know if they still do it, but years ago, if a pregnant woman wanted to travel, they couldn’t be in their third trimester. Something to do with pressure, etc. that might cause them to go into labor.


802 posted on 07/17/2009 10:35:44 AM PDT by mckenzie7 (TOTUS = REINCARNATION OF JIM JONES)
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To: erkyl
Have DNA tests ever been done? What if Obama is not even her real son?

Look at BHO's chin and ears. Spitting image of Stanley Ann's father's. BHO's sister has the chin, as does one of his daughters. Looks like the genes which encode that chin are generally dominate ones. I guess it's possible the BHO resulted from a liaison of Stanley with some dusky skinned beauty. That way "sister", could have gotten the chin via Stanley Ann, but Barry directly from "grandpa". Don't believe that, but it's possible.

Now I have to admit that might be something embarrassing enough to keep hidden.

803 posted on 07/17/2009 1:14:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Murtha the man should be canceled


804 posted on 07/17/2009 1:23:17 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: mckenzie7

There is many a slip between the cup and the lip but there is now a train station with a train on the rails and the engineer (Judge Carter) has started the engine on the locomotive.

It will be a long journey but the necessary componenets are FINALLY there with the most important one - the judge, a formerly missing link - now actively involved.

NOt much more will be heard for at least 60-days which he gave the Obama camp to respond.


805 posted on 07/17/2009 1:23:20 PM PDT by FARS (Be happy, be well)
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To: El Gato

The whole timeline just points to concealing Stanley Ann during her pregnancy. That’s what began to make me wonder about his actual parentage. I mean, he could be an illegitimate child from an affair Stanley had with some woman of color. It seems so odd to me that Stanley Ann was so willing to leave the baby (and her alleged husband) in Hawaii 3 weeks after he was born to head back up to Washington to school. It would explain why there’s no record of Stanley Ann when she would have been “showing.” It also explains the lack of a marriage record, because they were never really married—it was only a cover story—maybe they paid BHO Sr to go along. It would explain the ‘fake’ Hawaii address for the newspaper announcement because that could have been faked by Grandma Toot. It would explain why Obama Sr. never had any interest in BHO—because he wasn’t really his. That would explain the physical similarities to Stanley. It would explain why Obama doesn’t want to release the original birth records because it would show adoption records, name changes, etc. Perhaps this whole thing was concocted to cover up an affair Stanley Dunham had where he impregnated some young black girl. It would explain Obama’s secrecy, outside of a “born in Africa” scenario.


806 posted on 07/17/2009 1:42:49 PM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: David
To determine whether they were or were not married for any specific purpose, you would have to look at the law on that particular purpose and at local marriage law

What's at issue is whether or not Obama's British citizenship was passed to him by his father. This ONLY applies if his father was legally married at the time of his birth. If not, then that creates problems for the British citizenship issue.

807 posted on 07/17/2009 2:23:48 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Polarik
What's at issue is whether or not Obama's British citizenship was passed to him by his father. This ONLY applies if his father was legally married at the time of his birth. If not, then that creates problems for the British citizenship issue.

Correct me if I am mistaken but I believe that view is based on your thinking that he was born in Hawaii; that he would then flunk the "natural born" test because he was subject to another sovereign as a result of his father's citizenship in the British Empire.

See I see the volume of evidence, as being in favor of the proposition that he was born in Coast Hospital outside Mombasa in Kenya. Thus I believe he is ineligible because I don't think you can be a Natural Born citizen if you were born in another country, even if, under US Citizenship law, you became a US Citizen as you came down the shute, for the reason that you were a subject of the sovereign of the geographical location where you were born.

There is a marriage issue under the US Citizenship statutes which the Obama's intended to rely on at one point--if the parents weren't married, there is a questionable statute which might tend to give him US Citizenship under his mother. My comments on marriage were to address that issue--I think no doubt that for purposes of the citizenship statute, the marriage, even if only a common law marriage, would constitutue "wedlock".

I also think, and I believe the Obama's agree, that the particular citizenship statute is probably unconstitutional because it turns the child's citizenship rights on the gender of the parent that was the US Citizen--different rights for the child of a U S Citizen mother than a US Citizen father.

I don't know what English Common Law is on the issue of marriages that didn't qualify as statutory civil marriages but it wouldn't surprise me if the law was the same as it is in the US. It further wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that they were in fact married in Kenya--the people who went to Kenya and ostensibly turned up his actual birth recording in Mombasa district never did any investigation on the question of the marriage because they really hadn't thought the issue of location through.

But, I also think we do not agree on the probability as to where he was in fact born.

808 posted on 07/17/2009 2:58:36 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
I also think, and I believe the Obama's agree, that the particular citizenship statute is probably unconstitutional because it turns the child's citizenship rights on the gender of the parent that was the US Citizen--different rights for the child of a U S Citizen mother than a US Citizen father.

The law makes no such distinction.

TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
...
a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

At the time BHO was born the law read "periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen. years:"

Of course proof of parentage is different for a father and a mother. You know for sure and for certain which mother the baby came out of, assuming the event is witnessed and documented. For fatherhood, in general the father must acknowelde the relationship.

809 posted on 07/17/2009 4:20:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: erkyl
Perhaps this whole thing was concocted to cover up an affair Stanley Dunham had where he impregnated some young black girl.

Possible, but it seems unlikely that Madelyn (Toot) would have gone along with such a scheme, AND later claimed her husband's bastard as her grand baby. it also seems unlikely that Stanley Ann would have gone along, unless she went along with a scenario where she would have been thought to have "given up" the baby for adoption.

Much more likely are the scenarios were she has the baby in Hawaii, in Kenya, or even Canada. With the Canadian scenario being one in which she was to have given the baby up for adoption, in return for being allowed to attend U. Washington, where many of her high school friends went. But then, reneged after her little bundle arrived in some "home" or the hospital that worked with one.

810 posted on 07/17/2009 4:28:38 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: usmcobra
...E.A.A.C. stand for European Aviation Air Charter. meaning that a flight out of Kenya was either a non scheduled charter on a DC6 prop job or on a irregular schedule based upon tickets sold.

Sorry, I don't understand what you are getting at. The information on the airlift came from the following source:

JOURNAL OF AMERICAN HISTORY. LINK.

On both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, black leaders recognized the need for aid to African education. With the encouragement of American civil rights leaders such as A. Philip Randolph, the Kenyan Tom Mboya organized the African-American Students Foundation (aasf), which awarded Kenyan students scholarships for study in the United States. This photograph shows the Kenyan students arriving at Idlewild Airport in New York in September 1959 as participants in the first “African Airlift.” Courtesy Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Jackie Robinson Papers.

The image and caption relate to the very first airlift of students whose flight was paid for by a Kennedy foundation grant. So, yes, that flight would have been chartered.

If you scroll down to the bottom, you will find footnote 25 that clearly states Obama Snr was NOT on that flight. Although Obama Snr received financial assistance by way of a scholarship, he was already in Hawaii when that first flight landed at Idlewild.

Are you somehow confusing KENYA with GHANA? The link I posted for Ghana Air Line Route Maps, although from 2003 clearly shows Ghana-US geography and relates to expat traffic between Ghana and the US - Kenya is on the opposite side of the African continent.

GHANA AIRLINES MAP

MY HISTORY WITH PICTURES COMMENT.CLICK/LINK#27 AND #37.

My contention is if Stanley Ann was NOT on the US mainland or in Hawaii - she may have been in Kenya BUT IT'S FAR MORE LIKELY SHE WAS IN GHANA.

811 posted on 07/17/2009 4:55:50 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: MHGinTN

I used that scrib link only to obtain the information regarding the extension courses, the dates and the amount of credits she earned. It took a considerble effort to find it, the information was repeatedly posted on the long thread, but the link provided didn’t lead to the source.

How did the author come by that information. I do not know. It’s as credible as anything else found on the web I suppose.


812 posted on 07/17/2009 5:04:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: FARS; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...
NOt much more will be heard for at least 60-days which he gave the Obama camp to respond.

A lot more scrubbing can take place in the next 60 days!

There is an obvious and active campaign to scrub Obama birth information off the Internet -- REAL TIME, RIGHT NOW.

Please archive these changes, and any others -- then re-post -- these references may be vitally important in the near future as legal filings regarding Obama's eligibility continue, with Judge Carter, or with other pending cases.

Here are six examples of deletion or modification that have taken place since approximately July 1, 2009 (please post if you know of more):

1) the entire “Fight the Smears” website has been removed from the internet, and the archive of the website has been removed at the request of the owners from Archive.org:

Current website: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate (removed OFF the internet)
Archive.org cache: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate (removed per owner request -- verified by Archive.org staff)
Archive (from Google Cache): http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:e8a9IzE5fSsJ:fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate+fight+the+smears&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

2) the Department of Hawaiian Homelands has removed from their website the “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands” pamphlet AND changed their website to reflect that they NOW accept the Certification of Live Birth (the ONLY document Mr. Obama has come forward with to show his birthplace). See more on that story here: Hawaii upgrades ‘certification of live birth’ (requirement):

Current website: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl (changed)
Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl (removed per owner request)
The “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula” pamphlet: http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20Aina%20Hoopulapula.pdf (removed)
The “Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula” pamphlet “View as HTML” archive (Google): http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:Veru1NU4Zf0J:hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%2520Ka%2520Aina%2520Hoopulapula.pdf+Loaa+Ka+Aina+Hoopulapula&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

3) the Kapi’olani Medical Center website has removed the letter where Mr. Obama clearly says he was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center:

Current website: http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728 (Obama letter removed)
on Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728 (removed per owner request)
Archived screenshot: http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/stevesharp2918/Fromarchivedwebsite-ObamaKapiolaniL.jpg

4) the Nov. 5, 2008, Kenya Parliament Official Report, when Kenyan legislators and Assembly witnesses say things such as "having a Kenyan ruling the USA", "President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil  of this country", and "we have a leader of  a great country in this world whose blood is  Kenyan" has been removed:

Current website: http://www.bunge.go.ke/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf (removed)
Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.bunge.go.ke/downloads/Tenth%20Parl%201st%20Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf (removed per owner request)
Archived on Scribed: http://www.scribd.com/doc/9606845/Kenyan-National-Assembly-Wednesday-5th-November-2008-51108A

5) the July 9, 2009 Modern Ghana story, that says, "For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth" -- has been changed. The last part of the sentence NOW reads, "presidential visit to the continent of his father's birth."

Current website: http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html (changed -- and "the continent of his father's birth" is in BLUE), changed on July 16, 2009.
Archived screenshot: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:eL4lIWE2TxAJ:www.modernghana.com/print/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html+history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

6) the famed Nov. 4, 2008, API story that says, "Obama described his birth at Queen's Medical Center" was changed to reflect that the hospital of birth is Kapi’olani Medical Center.

Current website: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/04/Sen-Barack-Obama-Democrat-of-Illinois/UPI-33901225647000 (changed). Note at bottom: "This item was corrected July 8, 2009, to fix the name of the hospital where Obama was born. The original item incorrectly identified the facility as Queen's Hospital, an error made by the writer.")
Archived screenshot: http://aconservativeedge.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/sen-barack-obama-democrat-of-illinois-upi-com-cache-queens.jpg?w=1024&h=3574
813 posted on 07/17/2009 10:25:54 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Bump Dat!!!...


814 posted on 07/17/2009 10:28:18 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: BP2

This woman claims to be have given birth around the same time as Barry’s Mom. But she never saw his Mom. And this story came out right after Barry visited Hawaii this past December.

December 22, 2008

Twin sisters, Obama on parallel paths for years
Born in same hospital within hours of each other, educated together

Retracing the steps of history, Eleanor Nordyke now realizes that she was in labor with twin daughters while Barack Obama, now the president-elect, was being born at what is now Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.

The twins, Susan “Nunu” Bell and Gretchen “Nini” Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.

“I think it was remarkable that they just so happened to be born within 24 hours of each other and grew up knowing each other,” Nordyke said.

She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham — Ann Dunham’s mother and Obama’s grandmother — during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002.

“She was placed at our table on the ship,” Nordyke said. “She sat with us on that ship for three weeks. She told us that her daughter had passed away and that she had raised her grandson, and he was a social worker in Chicago.”

When Obama was making his successful presidential run, Nordyke realized that her daughters were born within hours of him at the same hospital.

The Hawai’i certificate of live birth that Obama displays on his Web site shows he was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4.

Nordyke was well into labor by then with girls who were three weeks premature. By 2 p.m. the following day, Susan was born at 5 pounds, 12 ounces, and Gretchen weighed in at 6 pounds, 4 ounces.

As toddlers, the girls called each other “Nunu” and “Nini” “and the other children picked it up, and we held onto it all this time,” Nordyke said.

With the names Nordyke and Obama, the twins were often pictured near Obama in their class yearbooks, their mother said.

The daughters now live on the Mainland, and neither returned repeated telephone messages seeking comment.

But one or both may return to Honolulu in June when their class celebrates its 30th reunion, Nordyke said.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-141411-0-days0-orderasc-.html&sid=6c206ca8b9d43f8b2ba0b8cd3bd68360


815 posted on 07/17/2009 10:30:35 PM PDT by getontwitterfacebknow (ConservativeTwitter)
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To: Fred Nerks; Polarik; LucyT
I used that scrib link only to obtain the information regarding the extension courses, the dates and the amount of credits she earned. It took a considerble effort to find it, the information was repeatedly posted on the long thread, but the link provided didn’t lead to the source.

How did the author come by that information. I do not know. It’s as credible as anything else found on the web I suppose.

The author, Michael Patrick Leahy, owned and maintained the “Christian Faith and Reason” website. Here's a Archive.org cache: http://web.archive.org/web/20070701174925/http://www.christianfaithandreason.com/

As I understand it, the Scribd file you referenced, The Myth of Barack Obama's Early Life - Leahy -- Cached, was compiled in late-2008 from a Yahoo archive of an early version of his book that he placed on his website for the public for a short while, then later removed. The archive is gone, too. This is the ONLY copy of this information that I know of.

I know Leahy spoke with numerous people to compile this, such as Susan Blake and others, who knew Ann Dunham when she was in Seattle in 1961-2. I believe him to be an accurate source of information.

BUT, for some reason, Leahy opted NOT to publish his book after Obama was elected. I believe he was pressured to do so.

Having compiled more collective knowledge of Obama and his past since he's been elected, documents such as THIS (Leahy's draft) warrant a NEW review from obsessed researchers -- to see if these old, forgotten materials lead the search for truth into new directions ...

816 posted on 07/17/2009 11:15:43 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2
Having compiled more collective knowledge of Obama and his past since he's been elected, documents such as THIS (Leahy's draft) warrant a NEW review from obsessed researchers -- to see if these old, forgotten materials lead the search for truth into new directions ...

many thanks for that, guess I'm an obsessed researcher I just couldn't let it rest until I found the source of that information again. The fact that Stanley Ann took EXTENSION COURSES...because what keeps running through my head is:

WHERE WAS STANLEY ANN IN THE PERIOD BETWEEN WHEN SHE GRADUATED IN THE SUMMER OF 1960 AND WHEN SHE SHOWED UP WITH A TWO OR THREE YEAR OLD IN HAWAII?

Extention courses, that can be posted to the student and returned by post, means that she could have been ANYWHERE.

817 posted on 07/18/2009 12:15:46 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: BP2

Why does this feel like Tron?


818 posted on 07/18/2009 12:15:58 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: David
Nope the ERA FAILED. There is no constitutional provision for "gender equality" in citizenship law... the particular citizenship statute is probably unconstitutional because it turns the child's citizenship rights on the gender of the parent that was the US Citizen--different rights for the child of a U S Citizen mother than a US Citizen father.
819 posted on 07/18/2009 12:36:25 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: BP2; All

Your comments have been featured on AntiMullah with thanks

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/07/obamaists-scrubbing-internet-clean-of.html


820 posted on 07/18/2009 1:01:36 AM PDT by FARS (Be happy, be well)
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To: Vendome

Dunno. But if the Technology Czar is behind it all for his boss, he’s NOT doing a good job of it.


821 posted on 07/18/2009 1:50:21 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

D-Rez


822 posted on 07/18/2009 6:06:51 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Plummz
Nope the ERA FAILED. There is no constitutional provision for "gender equality" in citizenship law... the particular citizenship statute is probably unconstitutional because it turns the child's citizenship rights on the gender of the parent that was the US Citizen--different rights for the child of a U S Citizen mother than a US Citizen father.

The equal protection clause argument was that the ERA was not necessary for that reason--still can't turn a statute on gender because it deprives the other gender of equal protection.

That case got to the U S Supreme Court on precisely this statute. The case was on the other side--the child of a father citizen. So it's not in point on the question presented here.

The child of the father citizen argued that it was not constitutional for the statute to deny him citizenship because if it had been his mother who was a citizen, he might have received citizenship under the statute.

The Court held no citizenship for the child of the father citizen which would have been the result if the statute was not constitutional because of the unconstitutional classification. The majority opinion is fuzz.

There was an extensive scholarly dissent (I forget from who) which said that instead of simply upholding the denial of citizenship to the father citizen's child, the court should have simply ruled the entire statute unconstitutional which it appears to be on its face. Subsequently there is a Cornell law review article quoted or copied into the Long Thread on this topic explaining why the dissent sets forth the law.

On the facts here, it no longer makes any difference because the question of "wedlock" under the statute gets resolved, at least in my view, by the general case law that would find them married for purposes of the statute whether there was a civil event or not.

It further makes no difference because bare citizenship with respect to a child born outside the county is not the issue in any event--it still doesn't free the child from the sovereignty at birth of another government and thus the child isn't a natural born citizen.

823 posted on 07/18/2009 8:42:09 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: BP2; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; ...
A lot more scrubbing can take place in the next 60 days!

There is an obvious and active campaign to scrub Obama birth information off the Internet -- REAL TIME, RIGHT NOW.

Please archive these changes, and any others -- then re-post -- these references may be vitally important in the near future as legal filings regarding Obama's eligibility continue, with Judge Carter, or with other pending cases.

Re-post here or on the long thread. Here's the link to the long thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2040486/posts?q=1&;page=8252#8252

824 posted on 07/18/2009 8:43:51 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

I heard the judge in CA (the marine) chickened out and punted. Is this true?


825 posted on 07/18/2009 11:15:20 AM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Frantzie; hoosiermama; BP2; Polarik; NoGrayZone; nothinglefttolose; cripplecreek; ...
I heard the judge in CA (the marine) chickened out and punted. Is this true?
826 posted on 07/18/2009 11:31:32 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; STARWISE

NOt to my knowledge...He told Orley to get her paper work in order...but that’s not chickening out....Starwise might know more.


827 posted on 07/18/2009 11:40:37 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: FARS

There was a story this week about a soldier who said he shouldn’t have to go to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama is not qualified to be President and, therefore, Commander in Chief. Almost immediately, the Army revoked the soldiers’ orders. Of course, we only heard brief snippets of the story on the MSM. What happens now? Can any soldier, who objects on the same grounds, get his orders revoked too?


828 posted on 07/18/2009 11:47:34 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (no more "till death do us part" public workers!)
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To: hoosiermama

Huh? Did he give her a recess? Continuance? Gave her more time? Thanks.

She really needs an experienced trial lawyer to help her.


829 posted on 07/18/2009 11:54:31 AM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT; All

The soldier Major Cook had his orders rescinded (as apparently can happen if requested) but was fired (under DOD pressure) from his civilian conract positon in Afghanistan.

Technically, since there was no defence offered in court, any soldier can claim the same thing. If they are ready to be court-martialled and drummed out of the service and lose any pension etc.

We have to see what happens.

The Marines are upset that in Afghanistan they have been ordered NOT TO SHOOT back if the Taleban shoot at them to avoid hitting any civilians !!!!!!!!!!! The order making them sitting ducks comes from Obama.

This may in part be the reason Judge Carter, a combat Marine himself has agreed to take a judicial look at Obama’s qualifications to be president.


830 posted on 07/18/2009 12:03:57 PM PDT by FARS (Be happy, be well)
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To: FARS
MARK YOUR CALENDAR!

TUESDAY, JULY 21 - 9:00PM EASTERN:

MAJOR STEFAN COOK WILL BE ON THE ANDREA SHAE KING SHOW!

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ASKShow/2009/07/16/The-Andrea-Shea-King-Show

831 posted on 07/18/2009 12:36:54 PM PDT by seekthetruth ("See You In DC From 9/11 - 9/13 At Our National Freeper Tea Party Convention!")
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To: David

That doesn’t apply to family law...you’re basically arguing there’s a federal right to same-sex marriage... there just isn’t. The child can argue equal protection vis-a-vis her/his brother/sister, but the equal protection wouldn’t apply on the question in these scenarios because it’s not the equal protection of the aprents at issue.


832 posted on 07/18/2009 12:46:12 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: bortog

The information about the twins is at this post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2291996/posts?page=815


833 posted on 07/18/2009 1:55:45 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Danae

From post 388 I noticed in Orly’s motion requests for disclosure from the FBI on anything they’ve got on Zero.

Also:

“All documents and proof, including but not limited to documents showing the names and contact information for investigators or other witnesses, including but not limited to clerks and custodians of records, relating to or touching upon the investigations allegedly performed and findings on the information forwarded to the FBI about Defendant Barack Hussein Obama by the office of US Senator Lamar Alexander from Tennessee,”

So is this a charge of conspiracy as well? Likewise Orly acquired the SS#’s etc, evidence of fraud sent to AG Eric Holder with no response...


834 posted on 07/18/2009 7:39:13 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: FARS

bump


835 posted on 07/19/2009 12:07:50 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Frantzie; All

He gave the Obama people (temporarily the Assistant US Attorneys) a 60-day deadline to respond to the subpoenas they rejected as having been improperly served by Orly Taitz after he told them to consider themselves served there and then in his courtroom and would not entertain a procedural block of the case going forward.


836 posted on 07/19/2009 12:25:39 AM PDT by FARS (Be happy, be well)
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To: danamco
There are gate keepers at the White House who shield the PINO to be served!!!

Of course there are. That's why a real lawyer would hire a reputable, professional service to get the job done rather then send an inexperienced volunteer.

To think that handing papers over to a "male Mail clerk", no name, no signature would be accepted as "service" is laughable.

837 posted on 07/19/2009 9:34:16 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Polarik
Besides copying what Factcheck wrote, they, of course, refer back to them for proof: "Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth."

I call this trackback to Factcheck, the Factcheck circle-jerk. Everybody does it.

What about "World Net Daily"?

A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

838 posted on 07/19/2009 9:43:18 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: FARS

Many thanks for the update. ;-)


839 posted on 07/19/2009 11:53:49 AM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Fred Nerks

The Kennedys were big supporters of AASF. I wonder if this is why the Kennedys backed Obama so much. Their efforts brought the old man to America.


840 posted on 07/19/2009 12:02:46 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Frantzie

Senator John F. Kennedy and the Kenyan nationalist leader Tom Mboya speak to reporters after their meeting on July 26, 1960, in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts. Mboya had asked Kennedy to intercede with the State Department for funds to transport African students to the United States. Instead, Kennedy secured funds from a charity his family controlled.

SOURCE: JOURNAL OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

[25] Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier, and Jackie Robinson appeal letter, Aug. 24, 1959, box 3, Robinson Papers; Smith, “East African Airlifts of 1959, 1960, and 1961,” 25–43. Barack Obama wrote that his father “had been selected by Kenyan leaders and American sponsors to attend a university in the United States,” but a list of the students who landed in New York on September 9, 1959, does not contain the name of the elder Obama. Tom Shachtman, working in the African-American Students Foundation (aasf) papers for a book on the airlifts, has found that the elder Obama came in 1959 with support from the aasf but appears to have been routed a different way as he made his way to the University of Hawaii.

841 posted on 07/19/2009 3:05:42 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: lucysmom; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...

“What about ‘World Net Daily’?”

That was about four months before WND wised up and did this:

Imaging guru: ‘Certification’ of birth time, location is fake

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=82503

It pays to get current with the ever-changing news.


842 posted on 07/19/2009 5:15:42 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Fred Nerks

The Kennedys are the lowest scum. Joe helped rig the 1929 Crash which is looking a lot like the manipulated crash that occurred in 2008.

Same type of characters - Hedge Funds = (1929) Investment pools.

The Kennedys got major karma coming back on them. They caused a lot of misery.


843 posted on 07/19/2009 6:55:32 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: FARS

PING!


844 posted on 07/20/2009 7:27:34 AM PDT by j_guru
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To: Polarik
That was about four months before WND wised up and did this...

I see. WND decided to accept your analysis of a digital image published on the internet rather than their own experts analysis of the actual document.

Admittedly WND seems to have changed position, but I doubt your analysis is the reason.

845 posted on 07/20/2009 11:31:53 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...

Now, that was easy. I knew you’d have a really stupid comeback.

WND never had any experts analyze Obama’s bogus COLB image, That was a misquote and one they’ve retracted several times over.

But, hey, you can believe anything you want to believe...I would say it’s a free country, but the douchebag Democrats in Congress and the douchebag head of state have changed all that.


846 posted on 07/20/2009 5:19:19 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: lucysmom; Polarik

OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Imaging guru: ‘Certification’ of birth time, location is fake
‘It would be hard to perform as president from behind jail cell door at Leavenworth’


Posted: December 01, 2008
10:20 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A document expert contends the “Certification of Live Birth” Barack Obama’s campaign posted online to rebut charges the president-elect fails the Constitution’s natural-born citizen requirement is criminally fraudulent.

The Obama campaign has told WND such allegations are “garbage,” but Ron Polarik, who holds a Ph.D. in instructional media specializing in computer technology such as printers, scanners and digital imaging, disagrees. His analyses have been posted online in a YouTube video, which also is embedded here:

(Obviously you didn’t bother to read the article provided with the link.)


847 posted on 07/20/2009 5:48:33 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: El Gato

My money is still on “X” as the baby daddy!


848 posted on 07/20/2009 7:00:56 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: Polarik

With all the dues you have paid you would think that people might stop second guessing you after a while....


849 posted on 07/20/2009 7:06:14 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: seekthetruth

I’m gonna try and tune in.


850 posted on 07/20/2009 7:08:45 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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