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Show it, step down, or be removed by force

Posted on 07/22/2009 7:22:24 PM PDT by Grig

Why don't he Joint Chiefs go to Obama and say "Sir, you must either present a valid full form birth certificate, step down, or we will remove you from office by force."

Isn't it their duty to do something like that? Isn't their accepting orders from Obama potentially carrying out illegal orders?


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1 posted on 07/22/2009 7:22:24 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig

I will be the first in line to support this.... this guy doesn’t scare me.... he’s a loser.


2 posted on 07/22/2009 7:23:04 PM PDT by bareford101
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To: Grig

IBTZ!


3 posted on 07/22/2009 7:23:05 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Grig

bfl


4 posted on 07/22/2009 7:23:41 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: pissant

Here’s one you may be interested in...


5 posted on 07/22/2009 7:24:31 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: Grig

Not their job.


6 posted on 07/22/2009 7:25:08 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Grig

Only in the novels does this happen...


7 posted on 07/22/2009 7:25:17 PM PDT by tips up
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To: Grig

The Honduras option?


8 posted on 07/22/2009 7:25:39 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Grig
Why don't he Joint Chiefs go to Obama and say "Sir, you must either present a valid full form birth certificate, step down, or we will remove you from office by force."

Because we are not a military dictatorship. Because of the rule of law. Illegality, illegitimacy must be dealt with through constitutional channels. Removing Obama for having been ineligible rests with Congress or the Supreme Court, not with the Army. Do you not really understand this?

9 posted on 07/22/2009 7:25:39 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Grig

Quit watching cartoons


10 posted on 07/22/2009 7:25:50 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Grig

We need General James Mattoon Scott!


11 posted on 07/22/2009 7:25:54 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Grig

This pretending conman fool has to go.


12 posted on 07/22/2009 7:26:25 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Works for me.


13 posted on 07/22/2009 7:27:22 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Grig

“Isn’t their accepting orders from Obama potentially carrying out illegal orders?”

If it does turn out he’s not constitutionally eligible, they’re ALL open to international prosecution for war crimes.

If I were military, that would scare the snot outta me.

Maybe the leaders of Iraq and Afghanistan should ask for his BC.


14 posted on 07/22/2009 7:27:30 PM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: Grig

Because George Patton is dead?


15 posted on 07/22/2009 7:27:37 PM PDT by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: AppyPappy
Not a cartoon:


16 posted on 07/22/2009 7:28:15 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Grig

each state validated the ballot. Therefore, in my opinion, it must start at the state level. Someone needs to sue someone in some state somewhere to challenge the ballot.


17 posted on 07/22/2009 7:28:30 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Houghton M.
Do you not really understand this?

Probably not.

He's Canadian.

18 posted on 07/22/2009 7:29:18 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The code word for the new racism is "diversity.")
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To: Grig

The Joint Chiefs have more pressing issues to deal with and Zero would just stonewall them instead.

And if they removed him by force it would truly be seen as a military coup that would make the Honduras situation pale in comparison.

The proper course of action for them would be to simply ask him “By what authority do you expect us to follow your orders? We demand irrefutable proof of the legitimacy of your presidency or else we’re required by our duty to the constitution to refuse your orders.”

But that won’t happen. It simply won’t. The truth will come out through the efforts of a regular citizen if it comes out at all.


19 posted on 07/22/2009 7:29:20 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: Grig

Posts like this do a disservice to the fine men and woman in our military.


20 posted on 07/22/2009 7:29:45 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Grig

That’s a great question. I have a feeling that right now, everybody remotely concerned, like the Joint Chiefs, really wonder, possibly legitimately, if that isn’t someone else’s job, such as Congress, and/or the Supreme Court.


21 posted on 07/22/2009 7:30:07 PM PDT by matthew fuller (FUBHO)
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To: Grig

Because it’s not their job to do so.

It’s the job of CONGRESS and the Sec’s of State’s/Attorney General’s, to certify that the results of an election are Constitutional.


22 posted on 07/22/2009 7:30:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Grig
Why don't he Joint Chiefs go to Obama and say "Sir, you must either present a valid full form birth certificate, step down, or we will remove you from office by force."

Because when they reach such heights, they become politicians, much like police chiefs across the nation.

23 posted on 07/22/2009 7:31:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Grig
Isn't it their duty to do something like that?

Absolutely not.

Impeachment is the route.

24 posted on 07/22/2009 7:31:26 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: Grig

That will never happen, but it it does, I’ll buy the beer.


25 posted on 07/22/2009 7:32:32 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: Grig

If the population is too ignorant to recognize and act on the birth certificate problem BEFORE electing Obama, then arguably a court should: 1) declare the electorate mentally incompetent; 2) appoint Obama as conservator; 3) suspend the population’s right to vote and the right to manage its own finances. /sarc


26 posted on 07/22/2009 7:32:49 PM PDT by Tax Government (Sarah NOW.)
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To: Grig

Because in our country and under our form of government, the elected, civilian government has authority over the military, not the other way around. To do what you suggest would be asking for a court martial.


27 posted on 07/22/2009 7:33:01 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Grig

this is the oath I took -

Oath for Commissioned Officer

“I HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AN OFFICER IN THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES, AS INDICATED IN THE ABOVE DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP ME GOD”


28 posted on 07/22/2009 7:33:47 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Even in Honduras the military didn’t just up and do it. First it went through their congress, then their scotus. When everyone agreed THEN they brought the military in to remove Zelaya.

In our current climate I think even if Obama did something like declare himself the first United States Emporer the house and senate would confirm him.


29 posted on 07/22/2009 7:34:01 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: Houghton M.

I’m Canadian so I don’t know all the ins and outs of how things are supposed to work (but I do try). That is why I am ASKING.

If he is not constitutionally permitted to be president then isn’t he also not the CNC, and if refuses to vacate the office, doesn’t that make him a domestic enemy, or traitor or something? What does military law say about fraudulently posing as an officer, would he be subject to that? Congress can’t just wave their hand override the constitution to keep Obama in office (well, not without violating their own oaths)


30 posted on 07/22/2009 7:34:01 PM PDT by Grig
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To: montanajoe
Posts like this do a disservice to the fine men and woman in our military.

BS.

31 posted on 07/22/2009 7:34:04 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Houghton M.

“Removing Obama for having been ineligible rests with Congress or the Supreme Court, not with the Army.”

Clearly it does not...


32 posted on 07/22/2009 7:34:19 PM PDT by babygene
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To: poindexter
Meanwhile, members of congress, sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States are....well....that's either them or the Media!


33 posted on 07/22/2009 7:34:55 PM PDT by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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To: Houghton M.

Supreme court does not seem to be concerned with issue.

Dems in Congress has the Majority to what ever the wish.

Who is left but the Military. They are sworn to protect the constitution from ALL enemies both foreign and domestic.


34 posted on 07/22/2009 7:35:22 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Bailee
Who is left but the Military. They are sworn to protect the constitution from ALL enemies both foreign and domestic.

Exactly. They swear an oath to defend the Constitution, not the president.

35 posted on 07/22/2009 7:37:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Houghton M.

That is right he needs to be Impeached and prosecuted for fraud.


36 posted on 07/22/2009 7:38:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: buccaneer81

I understand there’s a remake of “Seven Days in May” out and this time it has a happy ending.


37 posted on 07/22/2009 7:38:41 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: Colonial Warrior
More like this...


38 posted on 07/22/2009 7:39:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: matthew fuller
It is everyone's job who has EVER sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States. Any party who knowing violated a requirement of the constitution should expect to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Debt, treaties or laws incurred or passed by any illegal governing body must necessarily become null and void.

39 posted on 07/22/2009 7:39:54 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Dick Bachert
I understand there’s a remake of “Seven Days in May” out and this time it has a happy ending.

All right! Can't wait to see it.

40 posted on 07/22/2009 7:40:14 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Houghton M.
Neither is Honduras a a military dictatorship. That is just the line state-run media used because Obama is a Chavez-Ortega supporter. The Honduras Supreme Court ordered Zelaya removed, in concert with Honduras’ legislature because he blatantly defied their constitution by calling for, and organizing a referendum, which would likely have been fixed by their Acorn, to claim a second, third, fourth, ... term in office. In Honduras there is a one-term limit on presidents. Honduras' Army defends and protects their constitution (haven't I heard that somewhere before?). It did its job. They could, and perhaps should, have indicted Zelaya (or impeached, whatever is consistent with their laws). Look at the trouble he's causing in concert with Chavez, Obama and Clinton. He will get people killed.
41 posted on 07/22/2009 7:40:23 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Colonial Warrior
I would say there are other records from mr 0bama’s past that are as important as his birth certificate.
42 posted on 07/22/2009 7:41:04 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: smokingfrog

>Not their job.

Wrong, every service-member takes an oath to the CONSTITUTION, which is what gives the President authority over the armed forces. If a person is not qualified to hold the office of President, how can the President be named the Commander-in-Chief?

Read this analysis of the oath that Army enlisted take:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dv698tm_25c7b35cc9


43 posted on 07/22/2009 7:41:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tax Government

“Good evening. As your president, I want to call attention to an event in the recent past that troubles me. As you may know, I am legally unqualified to be president, as I was not born in the United States as the Constitution requires. By electing me anyway, you have demonstrated incompetence in managing your affairs. I have therefore signed an order declaring you all of diminished mental capacity. From this day forward I will manage the country on your behalf. You no longer have anything to think or worry about. You are to relax and be happy. (Doctors’ orders.) Please, hold the applause.”


44 posted on 07/22/2009 7:42:10 PM PDT by Tax Government (Sarah NOW.)
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To: montanajoe

Having a fraudulent marxist stooge as the faux CIC is even worse.


45 posted on 07/22/2009 7:42:10 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Grig
Because that is not their function. That is the Secret Services job to do. Short of a mad man as POTUS planning an unprovoked nuke strike I don't want an active duty member of the armed forces doing such. We have a Constitution which defines our government's duties and what powers it actually holds. The specifications, limits, and protocols written in it need to be enforced by congress. If congress refuses to uphold the Constitution then it is the duty of We The People to remove that congress.
46 posted on 07/22/2009 7:43:10 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgement? Which one say ye?)
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To: Grig

Well, a group of military leaders and Senators once did take action when the Constitution was trampled and states’ rights violated. It was called the Civil War. Today, a Kenyan tramples it but none of the luminaries in the Pentagon or the Congress has the cojones to take a stand against it.


47 posted on 07/22/2009 7:43:15 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: tips up

Well the rest of DC is living in some fantasy land -why not novel land?


48 posted on 07/22/2009 7:44:06 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Salamander
If Obama is not constitutionally eligible to be President, then Joe Biden’s term would have started on January 20, 2009. We know Biden is an American citizen, and in case the President-elect is unable to become President before his term starts, the Vice-President-elect becomes President. Since Cabinet officials are confirmed by the Senate, I could see an embarrassing number of re-signatures to legislation passed since then, but nothing would remove the validity of the constitutional President.

Like Britain, we never have an interrex. Someone in the U.S. always has the power of the Presidency, right until the last Cabinet official is exhausted. And the Senate confirms candidates.

49 posted on 07/22/2009 7:44:23 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Grig

“Isn’t their accepting orders from Obama potentially carrying out illegal orders?”

If Obama is not qualified, “potentially” carrying out illegal orders is hardly the word for such a situation.

If unqualified, I would assume everything he did in office would be be null and void, illegal, and so on.


50 posted on 07/22/2009 7:44:34 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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