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To: Prodigal Son
There’s a difference between choosing to go nude on the beach and having the decision taken away from you.

Just as there is a difference between consensual sex and rape.

I agree completely; but, you haven't seen German television and billboards.

Imagine it’s a perverted pedophile uncle buying the bikini for a thirteen year old niece and it then it seems less ambiguous.

Children in Germany are "sexualized," for lack of a better term, at a very early age. Note - I don't agree with it, I'm just pointing out the facts.

7 posted on 08/02/2009 3:36:24 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear
but, you haven't seen German television and billboards.

I lived in Germany for 8 years. I am fully aware of how German society is.

I really liked it there. I speak German. Had a German wife. Went native, you might say.

I've lived half my life in Europe, in different countries. I have a pretty good grasp of the situation here.

You were saying?

9 posted on 08/02/2009 4:15:17 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Grizzled Bear
Children in Germany are "sexualized," for lack of a better term, at a very early age. Note - I don't agree with it, I'm just pointing out the facts.

It's not so much sexualized, that happens in the US as well (I would argue that Christina Aguilera in a thong dry-humping a motorbike is more sexual than a naked middle-aged mother of four with sagging breasts). The difference is that nudity / nudism has a long tradition in Germany (one of the few ways to rebell during the Kaiser's reign) and isn't necessarily seen as sexual, if it's not in a sexual context. Letting children up to the age of 3 or 4 play naked in the garden (in summer) is completely acceptable (it's like:"they don't mind, so why shouldn anyone else"). German beaches (yes, there are beaches in Germany, although the season is very short) have nudist sections, some public swimming pools in Germany offer nudist hours.

So nudity isn't always perceived as sexual and therefore not as strict a taboo in the US. While in the US such a prank would be considered sexually demeaning, in Germany it would merely be considered in bad taste.



Hommage to Borat at a german rock festival (Wacken)
24 posted on 08/02/2009 11:12:09 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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