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Delighted antiques dealer discovers 1,300-year-old Knights Templar relic at car boot sale
Daily Mail ^
| 4th August 2009
| By Daily Mail Reporter
Posted on 08/03/2009 9:38:22 PM PDT by BlackVeil
An antiques dealer has picked up what could be a priceless church relic dating back 1,300 years at a car boot sale. The small piece of painted wood is believed to have come from a box which the Knights Templar used to protect religious items as they moved across Europe during the Crusades of the Middle Ages. Quite how this ornate piece of wood found its way to a car boot sale in Yorkshire is anyone's guess. But it could bring Leeds antiques dealer Martin Roberts a big windfall at the next stop on its unlikely journey - an auction house in London. Martin Roberts with his find: The 'Knights Templar' tabarnacle door which could date back to 700AD Analysts believe the item, which measures 10 inches by four inches, is the lid or door from a tabernacle and could be 1,300 years old. ... Mr Roberts took the tabernacle door to a friend in Doncaster who, after studying the item's intricate design, thought Jesus and St George were illustrated. He then showed it to other colleagues in the trade, who suggested that the pictures may in fact depict an angel and a Roman horseman killing a Turk. He said most of his friends agreed that the piece was probably of Eastern European or Russian origin, but no one could say precisely what it was with any certainty. 'The first thing they all told me was, "It's old",' he said, 'but they found it difficult to tell exactly how old it was. 'Most experts are of the view that this piece was more than likely from a tabernacle which the Knights Templar would have used to carry the sacrament and other religious items.'
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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Religion
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; templar
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The association of this object with the Knights Templar seems doubtful - no evidence is given and the date seems wrong. However, old and interesting.
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posted on
08/03/2009 9:38:23 PM PDT
by
BlackVeil
To: SunkenCiv
2
posted on
08/03/2009 9:39:07 PM PDT
by
BlackVeil
To: BlackVeil
An antiques dealer has picked up what could be a priceless church relic dating back 1,300 years at a car boot sale. My car doesn't wear boots, but in the winter, I put chains on the tires... :0)
To: BlackVeil
Yes. The Templars were founded shortly after the capture of Jerusalem in the early 1100s and destroyed by the monster king Phillip the Fair of France in 1307.
4
posted on
08/03/2009 9:43:47 PM PDT
by
ZULU
(God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
To: BlackVeil

"I was wondering where I put that box!"
To: BlackVeil
I am no expert but to me the art work looks Byzantine, not French.
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posted on
08/03/2009 9:49:09 PM PDT
by
SeeSharp
To: BlackVeil
Very cool. Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a “car boot sale”? Is that like a flea market or swap meet?
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posted on
08/03/2009 9:52:23 PM PDT
by
Fast Moving Angel
(GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
To: SeeSharp
"I am no expert but to me the art work looks Byzantine, not French. " If it's not on crushed velvet with either Elvis or Dogs Playing poker as the subject, then I really have no idea what it is or when it was made.
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posted on
08/03/2009 9:54:16 PM PDT
by
OldDeckHand
(No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
To: SeeSharp
I’m no expert, but it reminds me of a lot of European early midieval art. The colors , however, seem almost too vivid to be 900 years old. Just my ignorant observation ...
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posted on
08/03/2009 9:54:29 PM PDT
by
ArmyTeach
(Sprit of '76)
To: Fast Moving Angel
"Very cool. Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a car boot sale? Is that like a flea market or swap meet?" Exactly like a swap meet or flea market. It mean's selling crap out of the trunk (boot) of your car.
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posted on
08/03/2009 9:55:16 PM PDT
by
OldDeckHand
(No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
To: ArmyTeach
I think I recognize the guy on the right from a Monty Python sketch.
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posted on
08/03/2009 9:57:58 PM PDT
by
SeeSharp
To: SeeSharp
"I think I recognize the guy on the right from a Monty Python sketch. He does bear a striking resemblance to John Cleese and the guy to the immediate left could be Eric Idle. I'm positive that the guy on the top is Billy Dee Williams in his Lando Calrissian costume. And, the guy on the bottom could be Harry Potter, or George Stephenopolous.
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:02:27 PM PDT
by
OldDeckHand
(No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
To: Fast Moving Angel
but what the heck is a car boot sale? If my memory serves me right a "car booth" is British for car trunk.
Therefore I venture to guess, it is about someone selling things out of car's trunk somewhere.
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:06:02 PM PDT
by
danmar
(Reason obeys itself,and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it! Thomas Paine)
To: SeeSharp
GOD: Arthur! Arthur, King of the Britons! Oh, don’t grovel! If
there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s people groveling.
ARTHUR: Sorry—
GOD: And don’t apologize. Every time I try to talk to someone it’s
“sorry this” and “forgive me that” and “I’m not worthy”. What are you
doing now!?
ARTHUR: I’m averting my eyes, oh Lord.
GOD: Well, don’t. It’s like those miserable Psalms— they’re so
depressing. Now knock it off!
ARTHUR: Yes, Lord.
GOD: Right! Arthur, King of the Britons — your Knights of the Round
Table shall have a task to make them an example in these dark times.
ARTHUR: Good idea, oh Lord!
GOD: ‘Course it’s a good idea! Behold! Arthur, this is the Holy
Grail. Look well, Arthur, for it is your sacred task to seek
this Grail. That is your purpose, Arthur — the Quest for the
Holy Grail.
ARTHUR: A blessing!
LAUNCELOT: A blessing from the Lord!
GALAHAD: God be praised!
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:07:07 PM PDT
by
Daniel II
(I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
To: ArmyTeach
This is what they thought about the Sistine Chapel until it was cleaned. Because they had used candles for lighting, there was soot and other things. The Italian govt spend tens of millions to clean it. Once it was cleaned - they were shocked at the vivid colors. Some people said they ruined it etc. I know it is not 900 years old but some old artwork was suprisingly bright.
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:09:28 PM PDT
by
Frantzie
(Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn

"You have chosen...
wisely."
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:17:43 PM PDT
by
Rodamala
To: OldDeckHand
If you’re going to decipher Brit. speak about cars remember the boot is our trunk, the bonnet is our hood, the wind screen is our wind shield, a spanner is our wrench, petrol is our gasoline, left is our right and the manuals incomprehensible.
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:22:54 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: count-your-change
The Lucas motto: “Get home before dark.”
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:29:36 PM PDT
by
razorback-bert
(We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
To: OldDeckHand; SeeSharp
...We haven't have many of those, for a long time... a Monty Python thread. *sigh*
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:31:25 PM PDT
by
skinkinthegrass
(Zer0 to the voter: Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
To: count-your-change
"If youre going to decipher Brit. speak about cars remember the boot is our trunk, the bonnet is our hood, the wind screen is our wind shield, a spanner is our wrench, petrol is our gasoline, left is our right and the manuals incomprehensible." Don't forget the insufferable electrical problems and the unending oil leaks. My dad used to say, if you want a reliable and unending supply of oil, buy a British car and park in your garage for the weekend.
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:37:29 PM PDT
by
OldDeckHand
(No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
To: OldDeckHand
"If youre going to decipher Brit. speak about cars remember the boot is our trunk, the bonnet is our hood, the wind screen is our wind shield, a spanner is our wrench, petrol is our gasoline, left is our right and the manuals incomprehensible."
Additional Brit speak: "loo' for toilet, "macintosh" for raincoat, "pullover" for sweater, "anti-clockwise" for counter-clockwise, "pissed" for drunk,"blow me" for surprise me, "knockers" for breasts, "posh" for high class, "take a piss" is make fun of someone, and the classic "spend a penny" means going to the restroom.
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:55:28 PM PDT
by
Justaham
To: OldDeckHand; danmar
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posted on
08/03/2009 10:56:38 PM PDT
by
Fast Moving Angel
(GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
To: SeeSharp
I agree, it does look Byzantine.

The bottom figure does indeed to be wearing the garb of a Roman legionnaire, and I wonder if that is not intended to be Constantine. The problem, though is that the figure under the horse looks moorish to me, which would be anachronistic.
Here is a statue of Constantine:

The top figure appears to be Christ.
The second row could be a bishop on the left, and a Christian King on the right (Charlemagne?)
To: OldDeckHand
A friend asked what he should do to fix his old Jag and I recommended a small block GM engine. Deed done he had a pretty good car.
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posted on
08/03/2009 11:19:20 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn; Technical Editor; pissant; LucyT
Perhaps the expert, Technical Editor, could tell of its’ authenticity?
To: razorback-bert
Yes, some of the electrical systems seem like revenge on the buyer.
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posted on
08/03/2009 11:25:20 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: skinkinthegrass
It may have held the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch...
Templars did not muck about.
to me, the story seems all wrong, “1,300 yrs old” etc.
It looks Eastern Orthodox or Armenian Orthodox.
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posted on
08/04/2009 2:02:31 AM PDT
by
padre35
(You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
To: padre35
The guy on the left in red is definitely Brother Maynard.
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posted on
08/04/2009 2:17:07 AM PDT
by
shibumi
(" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
To: razorback-bert; count-your-change
Lucas, the Prince of Darkness. Bert, you forgot the fluffless cloth.
To: skinkinthegrass
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posted on
08/04/2009 2:34:48 AM PDT
by
paulycy
(Screw the RACErs.)
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
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posted on
08/04/2009 3:52:08 AM PDT
by
count-your-change
(You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: BlackVeil; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
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posted on
08/04/2009 6:55:11 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
08/04/2009 6:57:07 AM PDT
by
RDTF
("I'm pretty sure this is a 2 man job once the shooting starts")
To: Justaham
Additional Brit speak: "loo' for toilet, "macintosh" for raincoat, "pullover" for sweater, "anti-clockwise" for counter-clockwise, "pissed" for drunk,"blow me" for surprise me, "knockers" for breasts, "posh" for high class, "take a piss" is make fun of someone, and the classic "spend a penny" means going to the restroom. And "Asian" means anti-social Muslim immigrant.
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posted on
08/04/2009 7:05:51 AM PDT
by
Lizavetta
(In Communism everything is free. But there isn't any of it.)
To: BlackVeil
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posted on
08/04/2009 7:57:18 AM PDT
by
Dustbunny
("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
To: Fast Moving Angel
It’s like “tailgate party” or “truck patch.” Stuff we make up to separate furrin’ spies from native citizens.
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posted on
08/04/2009 8:26:01 AM PDT
by
668 - Neighbor of the Beast
("Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.")
To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
And make’m pay for it, too ... I like it!
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posted on
08/04/2009 8:33:27 AM PDT
by
Fast Moving Angel
(GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
To: Daniel II
Now I’ve got to go home tonight after work and find my Holy Grail VHS copy! Thanks alot!
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posted on
08/04/2009 9:38:05 AM PDT
by
shredderman
(Living in a Blue State, with a Blue Wife, But I'm Red to the bone.....)
To: ZULU
Not just King Phillip the Fair of France, but also his “pet” Pope Clement V (rumor has it he had the previous less compliant Pope poisoned).
Jacques de Molay the last Grand Master of the Order of The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (the Knights Templar) supposedly demanded that the King and the Pope meet him “before the Throne of God” to answer for their crimes, and both died within the year.
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posted on
08/04/2009 9:44:39 AM PDT
by
allmendream
(Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Charlemagne is who I first thought of as well, for that figure on the middle right.
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posted on
08/04/2009 9:54:25 AM PDT
by
Ramius
(Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
To: Cowboy Bob
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:12:46 AM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
To: Cowboy Bob
Fits around the 'headlights'
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:13:30 AM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
To: shredderman
I think I have a Holy Grail in my kitchen cabinet. I wonder what it’d bring on ebay.
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:14:20 AM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
To: Daniel II

Prepare for Zot! < /sarc >
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:16:15 AM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
To: Justaham
And you use rubbers AFTER you make a mistake (erase pencil scribblings).
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:19:06 AM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
To: a fool in paradise
This is really funny, but where I came from (Philippines) “rubbers” is our terminilogy for tennis shoes.
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:39:53 AM PDT
by
Justaham
To: Justaham
I think they’ve also been used to describe rain boots.
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:40:54 AM PDT
by
a fool in paradise
(There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
To: allmendream
Yeah, that Pope was, I believe, the first of the Avignon French Popes and the one before him was beat up so bad by Philip the Fair’s thugs he died.
The late Medieval Papacy was a blueprint for how NOT to run a church.
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:41:57 AM PDT
by
ZULU
(God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
To: a fool in paradise
Wow -- didn't realize that "rubber" has so many connotations. rubber could mean:
it could also mean automobile tires or for the "homies" - it could also mean street basket-ball match.
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posted on
08/04/2009 10:51:20 AM PDT
by
Justaham
To: BlackVeil
omigod! They’ve discovered the lid of the box that was carrying the Holy Grail!
That must mean it fell out on the road somewhere in England as it was being moved by the Templars.
I can smell a new best-seller from a mile away.
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posted on
08/04/2009 2:49:30 PM PDT
by
wildbill
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