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Delighted antiques dealer discovers 1,300-year-old Knights Templar relic at car boot sale
Daily Mail ^ | 4th August 2009 | By Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 08/03/2009 9:38:22 PM PDT by BlackVeil

An antiques dealer has picked up what could be a priceless church relic dating back 1,300 years at a car boot sale. The small piece of painted wood is believed to have come from a box which the Knights Templar used to protect religious items as they moved across Europe during the Crusades of the Middle Ages. Quite how this ornate piece of wood found its way to a car boot sale in Yorkshire is anyone's guess. But it could bring Leeds antiques dealer Martin Roberts a big windfall at the next stop on its unlikely journey - an auction house in London. Martin Roberts with his find: The 'Knights Templar' tabarnacle door which could date back to 700AD Analysts believe the item, which measures 10 inches by four inches, is the lid or door from a tabernacle and could be 1,300 years old. ... Mr Roberts took the tabernacle door to a friend in Doncaster who, after studying the item's intricate design, thought Jesus and St George were illustrated. He then showed it to other colleagues in the trade, who suggested that the pictures may in fact depict an angel and a Roman horseman killing a Turk. He said most of his friends agreed that the piece was probably of Eastern European or Russian origin, but no one could say precisely what it was with any certainty. 'The first thing they all told me was, "It's old",' he said, 'but they found it difficult to tell exactly how old it was. 'Most experts are of the view that this piece was more than likely from a tabernacle which the Knights Templar would have used to carry the sacrament and other religious items.'

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The association of this object with the Knights Templar seems doubtful - no evidence is given and the date seems wrong. However, old and interesting.
1 posted on 08/03/2009 9:38:23 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping.


2 posted on 08/03/2009 9:39:07 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
An antiques dealer has picked up what could be a priceless church relic dating back 1,300 years at a car boot sale.

My car doesn't wear boots, but in the winter, I put chains on the tires... :0)

3 posted on 08/03/2009 9:42:25 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob
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To: BlackVeil

Yes. The Templars were founded shortly after the capture of Jerusalem in the early 1100s and destroyed by the monster king Phillip the Fair of France in 1307.


4 posted on 08/03/2009 9:43:47 PM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: BlackVeil

"I was wondering where I put that box!"

5 posted on 08/03/2009 9:47:38 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: BlackVeil
I am no expert but to me the art work looks Byzantine, not French.


6 posted on 08/03/2009 9:49:09 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: BlackVeil

Very cool. Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a “car boot sale”? Is that like a flea market or swap meet?


7 posted on 08/03/2009 9:52:23 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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To: SeeSharp
"I am no expert but to me the art work looks Byzantine, not French. "

If it's not on crushed velvet with either Elvis or Dogs Playing poker as the subject, then I really have no idea what it is or when it was made.

8 posted on 08/03/2009 9:54:16 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: SeeSharp

I’m no expert, but it reminds me of a lot of European early midieval art. The colors , however, seem almost too vivid to be 900 years old. Just my ignorant observation ...


9 posted on 08/03/2009 9:54:29 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
"Very cool. Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is a “car boot sale”? Is that like a flea market or swap meet?"

Exactly like a swap meet or flea market. It mean's selling crap out of the trunk (boot) of your car.

10 posted on 08/03/2009 9:55:16 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: ArmyTeach

I think I recognize the guy on the right from a Monty Python sketch.


11 posted on 08/03/2009 9:57:58 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
"I think I recognize the guy on the right from a Monty Python sketch.

He does bear a striking resemblance to John Cleese and the guy to the immediate left could be Eric Idle. I'm positive that the guy on the top is Billy Dee Williams in his Lando Calrissian costume. And, the guy on the bottom could be Harry Potter, or George Stephenopolous.

12 posted on 08/03/2009 10:02:27 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
but what the heck is a “car boot sale”?

If my memory serves me right a "car booth" is British for car trunk.
Therefore I venture to guess, it is about someone selling things out of car's trunk somewhere.

13 posted on 08/03/2009 10:06:02 PM PDT by danmar (Reason obeys itself,and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it! Thomas Paine)
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To: SeeSharp

GOD: Arthur! Arthur, King of the Britons! Oh, don’t grovel! If
there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s people groveling.
ARTHUR: Sorry—
GOD: And don’t apologize. Every time I try to talk to someone it’s
“sorry this” and “forgive me that” and “I’m not worthy”. What are you
doing now!?
ARTHUR: I’m averting my eyes, oh Lord.
GOD: Well, don’t. It’s like those miserable Psalms— they’re so
depressing. Now knock it off!
ARTHUR: Yes, Lord.
GOD: Right! Arthur, King of the Britons — your Knights of the Round
Table shall have a task to make them an example in these dark times.
ARTHUR: Good idea, oh Lord!
GOD: ‘Course it’s a good idea! Behold! Arthur, this is the Holy
Grail. Look well, Arthur, for it is your sacred task to seek
this Grail. That is your purpose, Arthur — the Quest for the
Holy Grail.
ARTHUR: A blessing!
LAUNCELOT: A blessing from the Lord!
GALAHAD: God be praised!


14 posted on 08/03/2009 10:07:07 PM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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To: ArmyTeach

This is what they thought about the Sistine Chapel until it was cleaned. Because they had used candles for lighting, there was soot and other things. The Italian govt spend tens of millions to clean it. Once it was cleaned - they were shocked at the vivid colors. Some people said they ruined it etc. I know it is not 900 years old but some old artwork was suprisingly bright.


15 posted on 08/03/2009 10:09:28 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

"You have chosen... wisely."
16 posted on 08/03/2009 10:17:43 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: OldDeckHand

If you’re going to decipher Brit. speak about cars remember the boot is our trunk, the bonnet is our hood, the wind screen is our wind shield, a spanner is our wrench, petrol is our gasoline, left is our right and the manuals incomprehensible.


17 posted on 08/03/2009 10:22:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

The Lucas motto: “Get home before dark.”


18 posted on 08/03/2009 10:29:36 PM PDT by razorback-bert (We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
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To: OldDeckHand; SeeSharp
...We haven't have many of those, for a long time... a Monty Python thread. *sigh*
19 posted on 08/03/2009 10:31:25 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: count-your-change
"If you’re going to decipher Brit. speak about cars remember the boot is our trunk, the bonnet is our hood, the wind screen is our wind shield, a spanner is our wrench, petrol is our gasoline, left is our right and the manuals incomprehensible."

Don't forget the insufferable electrical problems and the unending oil leaks. My dad used to say, if you want a reliable and unending supply of oil, buy a British car and park in your garage for the weekend.

20 posted on 08/03/2009 10:37:29 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: OldDeckHand
"If you’re going to decipher Brit. speak about cars remember the boot is our trunk, the bonnet is our hood, the wind screen is our wind shield, a spanner is our wrench, petrol is our gasoline, left is our right and the manuals incomprehensible."

Additional Brit speak: "loo' for toilet, "macintosh" for raincoat, "pullover" for sweater, "anti-clockwise" for counter-clockwise, "pissed" for drunk,"blow me" for surprise me, "knockers" for breasts, "posh" for high class, "take a piss" is make fun of someone, and the classic "spend a penny" means going to the restroom.
21 posted on 08/03/2009 10:55:28 PM PDT by Justaham
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To: OldDeckHand; danmar

Thank you!


22 posted on 08/03/2009 10:56:38 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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To: SeeSharp
I agree, it does look Byzantine.

The bottom figure does indeed to be wearing the garb of a Roman legionnaire, and I wonder if that is not intended to be Constantine. The problem, though is that the figure under the horse looks moorish to me, which would be anachronistic.

Here is a statue of Constantine:

The top figure appears to be Christ.

The second row could be a bishop on the left, and a Christian King on the right (Charlemagne?)

23 posted on 08/03/2009 11:17:52 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: OldDeckHand

A friend asked what he should do to fix his old Jag and I recommended a small block GM engine. Deed done he had a pretty good car.


24 posted on 08/03/2009 11:19:20 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn; Technical Editor; pissant; LucyT

Perhaps the expert, Technical Editor, could tell of its’ authenticity?


25 posted on 08/03/2009 11:23:21 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: razorback-bert

Yes, some of the electrical systems seem like revenge on the buyer.


26 posted on 08/03/2009 11:25:20 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

It may have held the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch...

Templars did not muck about.

to me, the story seems all wrong, “1,300 yrs old” etc.

It looks Eastern Orthodox or Armenian Orthodox.


27 posted on 08/04/2009 2:02:31 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: padre35

The guy on the left in red is definitely Brother Maynard.


28 posted on 08/04/2009 2:17:07 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: razorback-bert; count-your-change

Lucas, the Prince of Darkness. Bert, you forgot the fluffless cloth.


29 posted on 08/04/2009 2:34:43 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't anthropomorphize the robots. They hate that.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

30 posted on 08/04/2009 2:34:48 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I was fluff-strated.


31 posted on 08/04/2009 3:52:08 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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32 posted on 08/04/2009 6:55:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

cool!


33 posted on 08/04/2009 6:57:07 AM PDT by RDTF ("I'm pretty sure this is a 2 man job once the shooting starts")
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To: Justaham
Additional Brit speak: "loo' for toilet, "macintosh" for raincoat, "pullover" for sweater, "anti-clockwise" for counter-clockwise, "pissed" for drunk,"blow me" for surprise me, "knockers" for breasts, "posh" for high class, "take a piss" is make fun of someone, and the classic "spend a penny" means going to the restroom.

And "Asian" means anti-social Muslim immigrant.

34 posted on 08/04/2009 7:05:51 AM PDT by Lizavetta (In Communism everything is free. But there isn't any of it.)
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To: BlackVeil

Neat !!!!


35 posted on 08/04/2009 7:57:18 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

It’s like “tailgate party” or “truck patch.” Stuff we make up to separate furrin’ spies from native citizens.


36 posted on 08/04/2009 8:26:01 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ("Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.")
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

And make’m pay for it, too ... I like it!


37 posted on 08/04/2009 8:33:27 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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To: Daniel II

Now I’ve got to go home tonight after work and find my Holy Grail VHS copy! Thanks alot!


38 posted on 08/04/2009 9:38:05 AM PDT by shredderman (Living in a Blue State, with a Blue Wife, But I'm Red to the bone.....)
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To: ZULU
Not just King Phillip the Fair of France, but also his “pet” Pope Clement V (rumor has it he had the previous less compliant Pope poisoned).

Jacques de Molay the last Grand Master of the Order of The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (the Knights Templar) supposedly demanded that the King and the Pope meet him “before the Throne of God” to answer for their crimes, and both died within the year.

39 posted on 08/04/2009 9:44:39 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Charlemagne is who I first thought of as well, for that figure on the middle right.


40 posted on 08/04/2009 9:54:25 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Some cars wear bras.


41 posted on 08/04/2009 10:12:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Fits around the 'headlights'


42 posted on 08/04/2009 10:13:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: shredderman

I think I have a Holy Grail in my kitchen cabinet. I wonder what it’d bring on ebay.


43 posted on 08/04/2009 10:14:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Daniel II

Prepare for Zot! < /sarc >

44 posted on 08/04/2009 10:16:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Justaham

And you use rubbers AFTER you make a mistake (erase pencil scribblings).


45 posted on 08/04/2009 10:19:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise

This is really funny, but where I came from (Philippines) “rubbers” is our terminilogy for tennis shoes.


46 posted on 08/04/2009 10:39:53 AM PDT by Justaham
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To: Justaham

I think they’ve also been used to describe rain boots.


47 posted on 08/04/2009 10:40:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: allmendream

Yeah, that Pope was, I believe, the first of the Avignon French Popes and the one before him was beat up so bad by Philip the Fair’s thugs he died.

The late Medieval Papacy was a blueprint for how NOT to run a church.


48 posted on 08/04/2009 10:41:57 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Wow -- didn't realize that "rubber" has so many connotations. rubber could mean:
it could also mean automobile tires or for the "homies" - it could also mean street basket-ball match.
49 posted on 08/04/2009 10:51:20 AM PDT by Justaham
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To: BlackVeil

omigod! They’ve discovered the lid of the box that was carrying the Holy Grail!

That must mean it fell out on the road somewhere in England as it was being moved by the Templars.

I can smell a new best-seller from a mile away.


50 posted on 08/04/2009 2:49:30 PM PDT by wildbill
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