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What's the Best Survival Weapon?
Field & Stream ^ | July 31, 2009 | Keith McCafferty

Posted on 08/07/2009 12:52:41 PM PDT by appleseed

If you’ve watched Survivorman, it’s hard to ignore the fact that Les Stroud, the star of the show, seems to starve during every episode. I don’t mean this as a criticism; Stroud is the real deal. But his hunger pangs raise a point: Boy Scout improv works better on the page than in the forest. If you want to bring down enough bacon to keep up your strength, you’re going to need bullets—and the more, the better. With this in mind, I recently tested two different approaches to the survival question.

The Pocket Protector

The Henry U.S. Survival firearm ($245; ­henry​repeating.com) is an updated version of the ArmaLite AR-7 designed for the Air Force. Weighing a scant 21⁄2 pounds, it is the ultimate breakdown .22, with the action and barrel unscrewing to fit inside the ABS synthetic buttstock, which floats in case your canoe capsizes. (Testing revealed the rifle also bobs like an apple when fully assembled.)

A lightweight .22 is a proficient survival firearm for harvesting small game, and at first glance the Henry seemed to perfectly marry the longer sighting plane of a rifle with pistol portability. But tests revealed a problem. The Henry is a blowback semiauto with a rough chamber and a reputation for unreliable feeding, and jamming was the rule until I switched from flat-nosed, regular-velocity ammo to CCi Stingers, which are high-velocity jacketed round-nose bullets. It seems to require kickback from a speedy bullet to work the strong spring of the bolt. The receiver rib is grooved for scope mounts, but this is a gun chosen for portability, and the adjustable aperture rear and ramp front sight proved adequate for the ranges at which most hunters will use it. I shot a 1⁄12-inch group at 20 yards—plenty good to render rabbit into hasenpfeffer.

The verdict? If I knew in advance I’d be forced to feed myself with a .22, I’d choose a more substantial takedown model, such as the Browning SA-22 or Marlin’s 70PSS Papoose. But where space and weight come at a premium, the Henry is a good choice. And it will keep you in squirrel stew as long as you feed it ammo it has an appetite for.

A Sleeve Up My Sleeve

The second gun I tested was a longtime friend—my .350 Remington Magnum. The best survival weapon is the one you have in your hand when you face a survival situation. For most hunters, that’s a centerfire rifle.

What turns an elk thumper into a small-game provider is the cartridge. Instead of using full-power loads, I fired handgun rounds using a cartridge conversion sleeve (KJ Knives: $25; 406-​669‑3382). A conversion sleeve is a housing that encloses a handgun cartridge so it fits the diameter of a rifle bore. (For the .350, it’s the .38 auto.) You can drop 30 or more pistol rounds into a pocket and forget they are there. Reserve your big-game loads to signal for help or rebuff teeth-gnashing creatures of the night.

As expected, the pistol bullets seldom shot to the crosshairs, at least not at rabbit range. But accuracy was adequate and estimating holdover was simple—simple enough, anyway, to reward me with a snowshoe hare while I was elk hunting last fall. True, you have to eject the conversion sleeve after each shot, remove the shell, and reload. But firepower isn’t an issue regardless of the survival gun you choose—just as long as your first aim is true.


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The article is focused on hunting game for survival. A buddy of mine has an AR-7 and it is light and portable. I prefer my 10/22 though as my primary .22. Conversion sleeve sounds like a good idea but it's like using a single shot.

When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was geared toward all survival situations. In a true long term survival situation, harvesting game is certainly top of the list. But other situations will come up also. How about a zombie invasion? SHTF and you're defending your home and family. Car load of thugs pulls up and out jumps 4 headed for your front door. Stockpile of food running low, you live near water and have plenty of ducks, geese, turkey and other foul in the area. Whitetail is abundant in your area along with other larger game.

Just my opinion but if I had to choose just one weapon to deal with a long term shtf way of life, it would be my Mossberg 500 with shot and slug barrell. Shot for self defense, foul and small game, all kinds of loads for all kinds of situations . Slug barrell for larger game which can be accurate at 100+ yards. If you have to bug out - carry the shot barrel loaded with buckshot, strap the slug barrell to your pack and hit the road.

Just my opinion.

1 posted on 08/07/2009 12:52:43 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed

Hint: It’s right between your ears.


2 posted on 08/07/2009 12:54:22 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: appleseed

If I had to pick one gun and only one gun it would be a 12 gauge Mossberg 500 or Remington 870.

Nothing beats a good shotgun in utility.


3 posted on 08/07/2009 12:55:26 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.. I am Jim Thompson.)
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The best survival weapon is the one you have in your hand when you face a survival situation.

But firepower isn’t an issue regardless of the survival gun you choose—just as long as your first aim is true.

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4 posted on 08/07/2009 12:57:10 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed

Definitely 12 ga for the Zombies, although a case could be made for 20 gauge if you forsee an all day shoot of the fast ones.

A day of that and you can get a really bad shooting bruise with a 12 ga.

At least that’s been my experience.


5 posted on 08/07/2009 12:58:14 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: appleseed

Every time I read an article from Field and Stream, I had the impression they just didn’t know that much about firearms. Weird but using terms like kickback instead of recoil? Using flat nosed .22 LR rounds? You would have to search long and hard to find flat nosed bulleted cartridges.

I have an old Charter Arms which is one of the first AR-7’s. I don’t consider it a survival tool. More like a toy from an old James Bond movie, Russia with Love to be exact.


6 posted on 08/07/2009 1:00:44 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: appleseed

In a survival situation, I would think that you might not always have the time and resources to take large game, butcher it and try to preserve it. So I would think an accurate .22 for small game and maybe a .410 shotgun would be the best. Also some basic fishing gear and traps.

Not so good for the zombies though.


7 posted on 08/07/2009 1:00:56 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Lurker

That’s so true. Life experiences helps you to act on instinct. The more you’ve been through the easier it is to overcome a bad situation.


8 posted on 08/07/2009 1:02:00 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed
This is your most important, most crucial, and most irreplaceable survival weapon:


9 posted on 08/07/2009 1:04:08 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: appleseed

I would include a frog gig myself.


10 posted on 08/07/2009 1:04:16 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (No teleprompters were harmed in the creation of this post.)
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To: appleseed

A lot of this is very subjective and includes the environs one intends to do their surviving in, what one can shoot well, etc. No single weapon will be the ideal for both harvesting squirrel and warding off grizzly bear attacks. Concealability of a weapon may be critical in some circumstances and not an issue in others, etc. Of course one who planned ahead would start out with a good stock of ammo already laid away, but sooner or later it will exhaust itself and then either availability, foragability or reloadability of ammo becomes a consideration. While I have a few firearms that suit certain needs better than others, if I have to grab but one and make a run for it, I’m slinking away with my folding stock M1 carbine.


11 posted on 08/07/2009 1:05:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: appleseed

Nice to have a gun of any kind with ammo. But it you don’t, having a good knife will increase your chances. Especially if you have read up on making snares, figure 4 dead-fall traps etc..


12 posted on 08/07/2009 1:06:05 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: appleseed

“If you’ve watched Survivorman, it’s hard to ignore the fact that Les Stroud, the star of the show, seems to starve during every episode.”

I know it! It’s very instructive to see him make the mistakes you don’t want to make but how many times is he going to say, “I shouldn’t be drinking this water without boiling it because of Giardia but I’m going to drink it anyway.”

Regardless, it’s an enjoyable show.


13 posted on 08/07/2009 1:07:16 PM PDT by james500
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To: freedomlover

I usually take zombies out with my .12 ga AND save my shoulder by shooting from the hip!


14 posted on 08/07/2009 1:09:06 PM PDT by highnoon (Success is not an entitlement....)
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To: appleseed
I keep my stun gun with me..:)

sw

15 posted on 08/07/2009 1:10:09 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (United We Stand)
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To: appleseed

If I’m choosing a .22 for survival, I’ll stick with a lightweight (stainless barrel, plastic stock) 10/22. Reliable and accurate as hell with a boatload of aftermarket items to make it smaller, lighter and more accurate.

The AR-7 is good for pilots, but I’m not a pilot, so I’ll carry the larger, more accurate 10/22.


16 posted on 08/07/2009 1:13:46 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: appleseed

Gold coins and a canteen.


17 posted on 08/07/2009 1:16:30 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: james500

Having Les starve teaches a valuable lesson about REAL survival.
You’re always tending to the fire, the shelter, or foraging/hunting for food.

You don’t have time for sliding down glaciers, climbing mountains, or riding the rapids like that other poser.

Les’ example might stop other kids from ending up like that retard Christopher McCandless.


18 posted on 08/07/2009 1:17:00 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: highnoon

Zombie survival guide says watch out for spraying tissue and fluids.... ; )


19 posted on 08/07/2009 1:17:23 PM PDT by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: appleseed

For the long haul, wouldn’t a bow gun be better so the arrows can be retrieved and re-used?


20 posted on 08/07/2009 1:17:38 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: appleseed
My choice: the Savage 24F-20 chambered in 20GA and .223:

Carry 20 rounds of 223 - it'll take everything from a rabbit to a white tail deer without much damage to the meat, and 20 rounds are small and light. And it will stop a man out at a good range (as far as I'd want to have to shoot; if I can't avoid a confrontation at a distance of 150+ yards, then I'm doing something wrong!)

Then carry 20 shells of 20 GA - 6 of 00 buck, and 14 of #6 birdshot. The buck for bigger beasts (including those that walk on 2 legs), and the birdshot for, well, birds.

All together, with a decent 4x32 scope, you should be right around 10 pounds and have enough "firepower" to feed yourself for a VERY long time!

21 posted on 08/07/2009 1:17:45 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: stuartcr

And a towel.

They always forget the towel.


22 posted on 08/07/2009 1:20:07 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: FTJM

Been wanting to get a blow gun. Got a bow and cross bow. Only arrow slinger I don’t have is a blow gun.


23 posted on 08/07/2009 1:23:14 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: FTJM

How about a fishing pole?


24 posted on 08/07/2009 1:24:03 PM PDT by FlyingFish
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To: appleseed

.350 Remington Magnum??????????????????

After his first box of twenty is depleted, what does he expect to do?

He mentions he has a sleeve to use what he calls. .38 Auto???????????????????

This guy is supposed to be a gun writer? Where do I sign up?


25 posted on 08/07/2009 1:24:07 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: freedomlover

The one round that solves all problems is a fools quest (albeit a fun one)

If had to chose just 1 rifle, for a do it all I would lean toward the SKS, its simple robust and fires a decent .311 bullet. The weight of a a 120 grain standard 7.62x39 is not going to be much different than a .38specaial with 158G RN.

If you get a Yugo, it even has a gas cut off that would make it a bolt action. If you take out the gas piston it is always a straight pull bolt action of sorts.

Milspec Ball is ok for a lot of uses, but soft point or even cast or copper plated lead can be used.

Accuracy can be improved with optics or a better iron sight, it will never be a 300y MOA gun but at 100y its plenty accurate. if you get the right one you even have the bayonet for the “everything went so wrong” moment.

Change the stock if you want either classic hunting rifle or “draganov” or a pseudo m-16 or even a folding stock the choice is yours.. (the wood stock is not that bad but a rubber but pad to make it longer is nice)

if you go practice with stripper clips reloading can get pretty fast, not box mag fast but still pretty good. and they are cheap.

If you want to go rim-fire, they a good bolt action can be had with little cost if you go used, if new a bit more but a .22RF really needs to be put RIGHT wear you want it to be effective.


26 posted on 08/07/2009 1:24:25 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: appleseed

.410 double barrel


27 posted on 08/07/2009 1:25:10 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: appleseed
Something you may want to consider:



This is the Crosman Quest 1000X.

Power Source Spring Caliber .177 (4.5 mm)
Velocity up to 1000 fps (304.8 m/s)
Weight 6lbs .32oz
Length 45in


I use this as a pest control weapon and basement practice. The Crosman was easy to site and ammo is very cheap and diverse. There is some noise, but otherwise it is very quiet in comparison to powder. It is a bit heavy at 6lbs, but much more accurate than the pistol. This is very good for small game. Larger game in a survival situation would ultimately be wasted by spoilage. I like it and would recommend it. 250 pellets come in a chew size container.
28 posted on 08/07/2009 1:27:12 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: appleseed

Ruger single action revolver. Comes with two cylinders, .22 LR, and .22 Mag..I’d go with the papoose over the AR-7. And if I was up to the weight of the Browning or Marlin takedown 22s, I’d skip that feature, and go with a Henry. Well made, accurate, and cheaper. Or I’d get one of those combo rifle/shotguns, maybe .22/410, or .223/ 20 or 12 gage.


29 posted on 08/07/2009 1:27:16 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: appleseed

The best survival weapon is your brain and the training it take to improvise and adapt.


30 posted on 08/07/2009 1:27:21 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (thirst for absolute power is the natural disease of monarchy - Thomas Paine)
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To: appleseed

Ruger single action revolver. Comes with two cylinders, .22 LR, and .22 Mag..I’d go with the papoose over the AR-7. And if I was up to the weight of the Browning or Marlin takedown 22s, I’d skip that feature, and go with a Henry. Well made, accurate, and cheaper. Or I’d get one of those combo rifle/shotguns, maybe .22/410, or .223/ 20 or 12 gage.


31 posted on 08/07/2009 1:27:46 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Yeah, I agree. I was kind of disappointed in the article. They do have some good fishing articles though.


32 posted on 08/07/2009 1:29:22 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: james500; appleseed

Yeah, that’s the one biggest lesson I get from the show: if you’re truly in a survival situation for anything less than a week, don’t expect to eat.


33 posted on 08/07/2009 1:31:04 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"He mentions he has a sleeve to use what he calls. .38 Auto???????????????????"

I have a .38 Auto...

It filled a pretty empty niche 'til the .40 S&W and later the .357 SIG came on the scene.

34 posted on 08/07/2009 1:31:28 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: appleseed

Mossberg 500, definitely. slugs, 00, bird shot, etc. prefer 2 3/4 for price and portability.


35 posted on 08/07/2009 1:33:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Domandred; appleseed; Lurker

Just as an extra weapon (Zombie killer), we bought a Mossberg Maverick 12 ga. pump.(18.5 in. barrel) $180.00 at Academy Sports and Outdoors. It’s even assembled in the USA. Already have a Savage .22 rifle and a Baretta Neos .22 pistol


36 posted on 08/07/2009 1:34:25 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: appleseed

The only magazine that come to my house are:
The NRA’s America’s First Freedom
The NRA’s American Rifleman
The official journal of the International Defensive Pistol Association.

I have no use for any other magazine. Those cover all of my needs.

Since the NRA revamped the American Rifleman it’s worth the price of the membership alone.


37 posted on 08/07/2009 1:34:58 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Golfinger, too.


38 posted on 08/07/2009 1:36:49 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: appleseed

What about a pointed stick?


39 posted on 08/07/2009 1:37:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Joe 6-pack
I think he was asking about a single weapon that could be used for all around and 12 guage fits the bill.

Like you my first grab is my M1A. .308 rounds will take just about anything I am going to encounter in North America. Squirrels, sorry but I have not problem blowing the little punks and going for the head if all I have ia my M1A. Then again if there is a deer, coyote, mountain lion, bear or even a seal .308 185gr is about all it is going to take.

40 posted on 08/07/2009 1:38:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: appleseed

I have an AR-7 and it’s a cool little gun. Just wish there was some way to have it carry more than just the 8 rounds in the clip.

And yes, it does float!!


41 posted on 08/07/2009 1:39:42 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: james500

Luv Les, he puts himself in it and doesn’t go to a hotel every night. More realistic and he has cut his trip short twice.

You get to see what really happens when you are out there and the mistakes you will absolutely make.


42 posted on 08/07/2009 1:40:25 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: PA Engineer

Got 2 pellet guns and you’re right, good for small game and pest control. My boys love shooting them and ammo. is cheap. Oldest boy got a bunny earlier in the year.

BTW. I admire your investigative skills on documents. Been following your work for a few days now. Incredible stuff.


43 posted on 08/07/2009 1:40:56 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I need to get my hands on one of these. Two guns in one carry.


44 posted on 08/07/2009 1:42:21 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
"Like you my first grab is my M1A."

Certainly a great weapon...but actually, I'd opt for the weaker .30 carbine. It doesn't have the wallop of a .308, but I can pack 1,000 rounds into just a little more than two shoeboxes of space. It's generally adequate for 2-legged vermin out to 150-200m and will take rabbit to deer size game without turning the meat into red fog.

If I lived in a more northerly clime, I'd probably opt for something more along the lines of your first pick.

45 posted on 08/07/2009 1:45:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

I like the gun but, there’s some debate on using a .22(3) caliber to kill deer.

Personally, for the sport and the killing power, I prefer a .270 in a 150 grain.


46 posted on 08/07/2009 1:45:29 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: dfwgator

Got it. Got plenty of Bullfrogs for gigging.


47 posted on 08/07/2009 1:46:50 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: Joe 6-pack

The guy has either .380 Auto or a .38 Super Auto. The noob who wrote the article doesn’t have any idea about firearms.

I looked up .38 Auto and found a 38 automatic also called 38 ACP was made in the year 1900. No guns have been designed for this cartridge since 1928. That’s not much of a survival cartridge.


48 posted on 08/07/2009 1:47:40 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Joe 6-pack

What do you have against Red Fog? LOL.

30-30 Marlin/Winchester?


49 posted on 08/07/2009 1:49:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"I looked up .38 Auto and found a 38 automatic also called 38 ACP was made in the year 1900. No guns have been designed for this cartridge since 1928. That’s not much of a survival cartridge."

Actually, the .38 ACP has the exact same case dimensions as the .38 Super...the Super is loaded to much higher pressures, and boxes of .38 Super ammo are clearly labeled that it's not to be used in .38 Auto weapons. Traditionally, .38 Super cases were nickel plated to help distinguish them, but that practice has somewhat fallen by the wayside.

50 posted on 08/07/2009 1:51:03 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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