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Pcsychologist Sam Vaknin on Obama's Narcissism
Dr. Sam Gipp's Web Site ^ | August 2009 | Sam Gipp, Th.D.

Posted on 08/09/2009 8:07:15 AM PDT by John Leland 1789

Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. He has written extensively about narcissism. Dr. Vaknin states "I must confess I was impressed by Sen. Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects." Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late.

One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse. "Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin, "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995."

One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service.

The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention. If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others...They are simply self serving and selfish.

Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites. The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's. Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castroists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: arrogance; bho44; disorders; gipp; narcissism; npd; nuts; obama; pathological; psychology; third100days; vaknin
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1 posted on 08/09/2009 8:07:15 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
Israeli psychologist proclaims thousands of FReepers have had it right all along........
2 posted on 08/09/2009 8:16:36 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: John Leland 1789

Great article...quite profound!


3 posted on 08/09/2009 8:17:10 AM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: John Leland 1789
Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist....

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While I believe the analysis 000 the author (by his own web site posting)is NOT a degreed psychologist - one of his claimed (listed) degrees is from a “mail order” degree mill - this just the left ammunition to criticize

4 posted on 08/09/2009 8:17:13 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: John Leland 1789
Obama looked to a lot of this followers like a harmless, well-meaning person.

His critics have long recognized his darker aspect and just this last week more evidence of Obama's malignant personality emerged.

Obama plans to take control of our country and by controlling healthcare he can silence critics and banish opponents.

BTW...see my new tag line!

5 posted on 08/09/2009 8:18:12 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (If the auto industry and banking were Obama's Austria and Czechoslovakia, healthcare is his Poland.)
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To: John Leland 1789

How do you add to that?
And why wasn’t this broadcast everywhere last summer?
Oh I forgot, the media was intent on getting a racially different person in the white house and didn’t look any further. If the dimrat party implodes due to this goof, the media will go down with him.


6 posted on 08/09/2009 8:18:23 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Boys and Girls, it's us against them.)
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To: Doogle

WHO IS THIS JOKER CHARACTER ANYWAY?

7 posted on 08/09/2009 8:19:06 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: John Leland 1789
America is on the verge of destruction.

Aikido is the art of redirecting the energy of an attack back on itself to neutralize it.


8 posted on 08/09/2009 8:20:09 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: John Leland 1789

So WHAT if he is narcissistic?

The crimes he and his masters are committing against America, our Constitution, and way of life are in no way mitigated by “narcissism”!


9 posted on 08/09/2009 8:20:12 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: John Leland 1789

Education

Completed nine semesters in the Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa.

Ph.D. in Philosophy (dissertation: “Time Asymmetry Revisited”) – Pacific Western University, California, USA.

Graduate of numerous courses in Finance Theory and International Trading.

Certified E-Commerce Concepts Analyst by Brainbench.

Certified in Psychological Counselling Techniques by Brainbench.

Certified Financial Analyst by Brainbench.

http://samvak.tripod.com/cv.html#Education


10 posted on 08/09/2009 8:20:22 AM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: John Leland 1789

destruction? On the verge of redemption would be more correct. 2010 all the congress rats out.


11 posted on 08/09/2009 8:21:39 AM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum)
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To: John Leland 1789

You mean this guy had it right all along?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVnRzn4rjbY&feature=related


12 posted on 08/09/2009 8:27:12 AM PDT by cranked
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To: John Leland 1789

“his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father”

I sincerely wonder if Obama was abused by Lolo. Indonesian discipline would most surely be different than American discipline and given that he was not only not his son, which many stepfathers have a problem with (not all mind you, but a good many from my experience), but also was at a glance a reminder that it wasn’t his son. This was a different time.

Add to the fact that Ann sent Obama to live with his grandparents... I just can’t see her doing that for no reason. Later she herself left him and took their daughter too.

Just an observation that I believe may contribute to Obama’s sense of narcissism.


13 posted on 08/09/2009 8:30:15 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: John Leland 1789

“This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama’s detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites”

Wow, this is what is happening six months in!


14 posted on 08/09/2009 8:31:15 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

They trend toward psychopathology, as in seeing others as simply means to more power and adoration.
They lack various degrees of an ability to see others as fellow human beings.
And finally they lack an ability to see reality in front of their own faces. Could be rough on our national debt.


15 posted on 08/09/2009 8:33:04 AM PDT by MarMema (Marxism is never about truth, it is about power)
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To: John Leland 1789
And this was there for all to see from the moment Obama made his first pompous, hope and change nonsense of a stump speech. His arrogant, nose-in-the-air, imperious posturing was there from the first.

Hopefully enough are beginning to see through him to bring defeat of his major initiatives. But it's still cause for concern that so many fell for his Elmer Gantry act to begin with.

The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple.

A perfect explanation for Colin Powell's support of Obama, as we have known all along, also.

16 posted on 08/09/2009 8:33:40 AM PDT by Will88
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To: autumnraine

I agree that his childhood was a significant factor.
I believe narcissists come most often from a divided parental situation, and especially from a situation where one parent sort of idealizes them and the other devalues them.


17 posted on 08/09/2009 8:34:54 AM PDT by MarMema (Marxism is never about truth, it is about power)
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To: John Leland 1789
The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self.

OMG

18 posted on 08/09/2009 8:37:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (ACORN - paid protesters ...The White House has an enemies list. Are you on it? (yet?)
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To: John Leland 1789

19 posted on 08/09/2009 8:37:28 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: cibco

Ping


20 posted on 08/09/2009 8:40:25 AM PDT by defconw (I'll keep my guns, religion and money. You keep the change.)
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To: Doogle
Yeah, not much to argue with here, but no surprises either. We all had this guy pegged without going through the disillusionment stage.
21 posted on 08/09/2009 8:44:48 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: John Leland 1789

I speak about the reference to Obama’s brother.Obama takes little interest in his brother, because in reality he is hardly a brother.

Perhaps they share the same father,perhaps theydont. We havent seen the birth certificate which names the father, anyway that aside, Obama never met his half brother as a child, they never grew up together, they werent really “brothers’ as the term is usually used. I doubt he ever saw his African Grandmother until he started using blacks for their vote.

His fathers family can mean little to him as he never knew them until he started using them. Obama is a user, he uses people for his own means. American blacks mean nothing to Obama except a vote. He isnt one of them.


22 posted on 08/09/2009 8:44:55 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: John Leland 1789

If anybody remembers, there were a whole bunch of negative long-distance psychological evaluations of Reagan and Bush2.

Such bloviating has little value.


23 posted on 08/09/2009 9:02:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: John Leland 1789
Additional articles: Understanding Obama - Is He a Pathological Narcissist? The author, Ali Sina (pseudonym), has written an article that one should consider. You can read it here: Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer.
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His photos and tag lines are worth a thousand words:

obama arrogance

An unequivocal expression of delusional grandiosity

Obama inebriated with the fantasy of unlimited success.

obama_sneer

Obama absorbed in reveries of omnipotence

His majesty condescendingly looks down at his scullions

When criticized, Obama's soul can be seen in his eyes. The following quote is evident every time he gets on the tube and tries to lie his way through his BS:

The pacific mask crumbles when the narcissist has become convinced that the very people he purported to speak for, his constituency, his grassroots fans, the prime sources of his narcissistic supply - have turned against him. At first, in a desperate effort to maintain the fiction underlying his chaotic personality, the narcissist strives to explain away the sudden reversal of sentiment. "The people are being duped by (the media, big industry, the military, the elite, etc.)", "they don't really know what they are doing", "following a rude awakening, they will revert to form", etc.

When these flimsy attempts to patch a tattered personal mythology fail - the narcissist is injured. Narcissistic injury inevitably leads to narcissistic rage and to a terrifying display of unbridled aggression. The pent-up frustration and hurt translate into devaluation. That which was previously idealized - is now discarded with contempt and hatred.


24 posted on 08/09/2009 9:08:02 AM PDT by fujimoh
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To: John Leland 1789
They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late.


25 posted on 08/09/2009 9:12:39 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: John Leland 1789

Bump for later.


26 posted on 08/09/2009 9:14:29 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama Administration: The Whizzers of Oz)
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To: Will88
And this was there for all to see from the moment Obama made his first pompous, hope and change nonsense of a stump speech. His arrogant, nose-in-the-air, imperious posturing was there from the first. Hopefully enough are beginning to see through him to bring defeat of his major initiatives. But it's still cause for concern that so many fell for his Elmer Gantry act to begin with.

.....“Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”

27 posted on 08/09/2009 9:39:31 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: John Leland 1789
Hat Tip to Lawrence Eagleburger. He was one of the first prominent people to go on record (FOX) and declare emphatically that Obama is a "Charlatan". As well did EL Rushbo and FR.


28 posted on 08/09/2009 9:50:31 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

During the campaign I might add.


29 posted on 08/09/2009 9:52:37 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: GOP Poet; GOP Golfer

ping


30 posted on 08/09/2009 9:52:38 AM PDT by GOP Golfer
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To: John Leland 1789
On the other hand ... there is a possiblity -- slight, but quite real -- that backlash against Obama may unite blacks and whites in a way never before seen in our great nation. Watch the Rev. James Manning (I think that's his name), the black preacher who warns his black congregation "White people gonna riot -- and I don't blame them! I'd like to join them!" The sharpest, most eloquent minds in conservative thought today include a disporportionately high percentage of blacks, I suspect because the cultural experiences of intelligent, thinking Americans who are black gives them special insight into the core principles of conservatism.

With prayers for a miracle, this united backlash could happen: God has intervened with miracles on the side of righteousness often in human history. Prayer works -- millions on the globe prayed for the safe return of Apollo 13, and against all reasonable odds, the astronauts came back alive. FRiends, join me in praying for a miracle that will vanquish Barack Obama and restore liberty and righteousness to the United States of America.

31 posted on 08/09/2009 9:56:38 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
...“Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”

Lol, but I think we should point out that Elmer was no where near as arrogant and imperious as Obama.

32 posted on 08/09/2009 9:58:00 AM PDT by Will88
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To: John Leland 1789
At first I was excited to see a black candidate.

Me Thinks the DR has a problem of his own
33 posted on 08/09/2009 10:13:48 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Great caricature!!!!!


34 posted on 08/09/2009 10:23:20 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: John Leland 1789
regarding uhbama:

"A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power."

[Is the author telling us that uhbama has yet to assist his poverty laden brother in Africa, his blood brother, his FAMILY? And what about uhbama's blood aunt, you know the one, is she still living on our tax dollar in public housing in BOSTON? If she is....then we ALL know MORE than WE NEED to KNOW about the quality OF UNBAMA'S AND MICHELLE'S CHARACTER. They are both DIRTBAGS.]

" A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world?" [Well, a congress that refuses to see what an absolute threat uhbama is to our nation is pretty damn dangerous, as well.]" I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others...They are simply self serving and selfish."

"Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous. "

Altho in uhbama's case, it is hard to believe ANYONE could STILL be sucked into his vision for our nation, a vision which is a nightmare of total governmental control, even over life and death issues.....we need to get this very sick narcissistic sociopath OUT OF OFFICE ASAP and we need to remove the puppy from him....people like uhbama do not know how to love an animal but are highly likely to hurt them.

35 posted on 08/09/2009 10:36:56 AM PDT by Republic
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To: fujimoh
At first, in a desperate effort to maintain the fiction underlying his chaotic personality

This is why, I support the BC issue. Questioning his story must rankle him.

36 posted on 08/09/2009 11:33:51 AM PDT by razorback-bert (We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
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To: Doogle

BTTT. THIS IS THE BEST EXPLANATION OF BHO I HAVE HEARD TO DATE.


37 posted on 08/09/2009 11:51:12 AM PDT by Movemout (may you live in interesting times and come to the attention of important people)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
The crimes he and his masters are committing against America, our Constitution, and way of life are in no way mitigated by “narcissism”!

Who says their crimes are mitigated by their narcissism? If anything, their narcissism is the cause of their crimes. Along with their socialist/totalitarian agenda.

38 posted on 08/09/2009 3:10:47 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (I hate Huckabee.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

“If anything, their narcissism is the cause of their crimes.”

Wrong.....The crimes he and his masters are committing against America are the ties that bind them.....not “narcissism”....ooohing and ahhhing “narcissism” is like a twinkie defense.


39 posted on 08/09/2009 3:30:29 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
OK, their crimes are the ties that bind them. But the CAUSE of their crimes is the narcissism that comes from their elitism. That's why they think they can get away with anything - and they do! - because they are the elites!

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

40 posted on 08/09/2009 3:50:01 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (I hate Huckabee.)
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To: autumnraine

Kids who don’t bond with someone in the very first weeks and months of life carry this lack of development throughout life. This psychic “hole” is apparent to everyone who has to deal with the person. Yet it seems to be invisible to the person himself. When all those dendrites and synapses should have been forming, and when he should have been out innocently learning “male” things like how to throw a ball and act like a MAN, he was doing God knows what. Likewise, “God knows what” was being done to him. Well I have news for him. People with FAR worse upbringings learn to overcome it and they go on to do wonderful things. He was so “put upon” being half black, half white. His mom could’ve aborted him. Since he loves abortion so much, I guess he wishes that she had.


41 posted on 08/09/2009 3:58:43 PM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

as I understand it, narcissists cannot stand to be on the same stage, and run from each other in that way.....collective narcissism is not the problem here, whether or not omamma is one......I agree that he IS, but the narcissism matter is a red herring to his and his masters and cohorts ideology


42 posted on 08/09/2009 4:14:15 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Not a red herring since it is most instructive on what he will do under different circumstances. Knowing what a malignant narcissist does when their popularity is plummeting is a worthwhile bit of information. You really ought to give the interview a listen. Of course, if you’re a narcissist, it will be uncomfortable and you probably will not listen very far into it.


43 posted on 08/09/2009 4:17:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

oh please!.......While those of you caught up in this narcissism bit are discussing it, omamma and cohorts have openly declared war upon our country....


44 posted on 08/09/2009 4:22:06 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Um, yeah. And what he will do next is more predictable when you know his malignancy.

Such protestation! ... Didn't like confronting the realities of narcissism?

45 posted on 08/09/2009 4:25:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

the sparseness of rhis thread that has been up now for over 8 hrs (esp if you subtract the posts that I have received lip from, for merely making a self-evident observation) bears witness to how irrelevant the “narcissism” thing is......a total waste of time.....

It’s like worrying about the 2012 election and forgetting about 2010 in the meantime.

Rock on with your concerns and predictions based on “narcissism”......most of us will deal with day to day developments


46 posted on 08/09/2009 5:00:29 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
the narcissism matter is a red herring to his and his masters and cohorts ideology

I agree with you on that.

narcissists cannot stand to be on the same stage

Did you happen to see Bill Clinton and Al Gore on the same stage when Laura Ling (the pardoned journalist) was speaking? Bill Clinton was standing quietly, being almost humble. Al Gore, on the other hand, would occasionally DO something, taking away from what Laura Ling was saying. Whenever he would hug Euna Lee, or touch Clinton, your eyes went to HIM, instead of to the speaker (Laura Ling). So, in a sense, he was trying to draw attention to himself, instead of having it go to Ling (or, secondarily, to Clinton). He was upstaging her by not keeping still. It was an interesting ploy, whether conscious or unconscious. He obviously didn't like being on the same stage with Clinton getting all the credit. And his showiness ensured that he was being noticed, too.

47 posted on 08/09/2009 5:40:00 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (I hate Huckabee.)
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To: John Leland 1789

Some of us LIKE reading about and contemplating the head case that is currently running the country. So to those who pooh-pooh it all, thanks for the advice, but I’ll continue reading threads like this one.


48 posted on 08/09/2009 5:42:00 PM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Perhaps you could use some help. Bringing the demcorat party down for 2010 is tied to the choice they made for pres_ _ent. This guy is so bad, so marxist, that even disinterested people are starting to take notice. Now, you may be so non-intellect oriented that this sort of revelation means nothing to you ... and it may also make you uncomfortable, but that is grist for another mill.

Here's the simplest I can make it for you: the 2010 election rides on the polling numbers of the current democrat party choice to head that party. Obama is a reflection of the demcorat party. Revealing his methodology reduces his ability to use his enthrallment on the voters and thus lowers their opinion of him. Every little bit of revelation about this lying bastard helps expose him and the morally bankrupt party which worships him.

You obvious don't like that exposure for your president. Sorry, it's not going to stop to make you feel more comfy.

49 posted on 08/09/2009 5:54:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: John Leland 1789
One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service.

I don't give him that much credit. The MSM created BDS as well as the novel idea that a black guy was going to run for president created the perfect storm for this unqualified, junior senator to be elected by a manipulative media with the help of the ignorant masses across this country hoping for the coming of a black messiah.......

The guy is not a good orator, the guy is not intelligent, the guy doesn't even have an ounce of charisma. All the above is just bullshit that the MSM has been trying to hammer into our heads since the moron came on to the scene.

Obama is nothing more than a Mr. Potato Head who was successfully shoved into the presidency by the MSM..............

50 posted on 08/09/2009 5:58:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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