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Ancient people also complained about exorbitant taxes
Today's Zaman ^ | 11 Aug 2009 | TZ

Posted on 08/11/2009 5:51:12 AM PDT by BGHater

Inscriptions revealing complaints about high taxes from 1,700 years ago have been found during the excavation of the ancient city of Rhodiapolis in Antalya's Kumluca district.

The excavation was started by Professor Nevzat Çevik, head of the archaeology department in Akdeniz University's faculty of science and literature, and led this year by Assistant Professor İsa Kızgut. Kızgut told the Anatolia news agency that they made interesting discoveries concerning the social life of the people of Rhodiapolis. Noting that one of the most interesting discoveries was an inscription, Kızgut said: “In addition to many historical artifacts, we uncovered some relics concerning the social life of the people during the excavation of the ancient city of Rhodiapolis. The most interesting among these relics was a tablet written by a messenger describing that the public was complaining of high taxes, that he was sent to the emperor to request a discount and that he was promised that taxes would be lowered. We have an inscription written on a stone and erected as a stele in the agora. When we consider that people wanted sales tax and income tax rates to be lowered, we can infer that toward the A.D. third century the people of Rhodiapolis could not pay their taxes.”

Noting that the people of Rhodiapolis wanted Roman Emperor Septimius Severus to lower taxes, Kızgut said: “The emperor gave the green light and promised the messenger that taxes would be lowered. Upon his return to Rhodiapolis, the messenger informed the leader with great joy, and in honor of the messenger, an inscribed stele was erected in the agora.”

Kızgut said his excavation team had found a tablet written stating that the public was complaining of high taxes.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; greece; greek; rome; septimiusseverus; taxes; turkey

Septimius Severus

1 posted on 08/11/2009 5:51:12 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

The more things change, the more they remain. ping


2 posted on 08/11/2009 5:51:56 AM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: BGHater

The more things change, the more they remain the same


3 posted on 08/11/2009 5:52:26 AM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: BGHater

Yes, they complained about high taxes. And the tax rate they complained about was NOTHING compared to what we have to pay.


4 posted on 08/11/2009 5:57:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: BGHater

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5 posted on 08/11/2009 5:58:16 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: BGHater
Government taxes are forced charity for non production and are collected by people that produce nothing but debt for the masses.Government needs a modern update from this outdated approach.
6 posted on 08/11/2009 5:59:42 AM PDT by taxtruth (Let me be clear!I don't like Obumer!)
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To: BGHater

We already know that. The rebellion against Rheheboam, Solomon’s son and heir, was about taxes, and it caused a permanent split in the Kingdom of Israel.


7 posted on 08/11/2009 6:00:15 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: ClearCase_guy

8 posted on 08/11/2009 6:01:23 AM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: BGHater

Ah yes, Emperor Severus the inventor of the severance tax.


9 posted on 08/11/2009 6:09:34 AM PDT by ruiner
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To: BGHater

The 1st way to deal with the issue is to end the money changers “the fed” in America and return to a currency backed via an asset.Bankers rape their victims financially and have been doing this for thousands of years.This must stop.


10 posted on 08/11/2009 6:11:05 AM PDT by taxtruth (THE FED OWNS YOUR HOUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU OWN IT.)
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To: BGHater

I read an excellent article about how the Roman Emporer’s ever-increasing need for tax money led to such micro-management of the economy that the role of every citizen and trade was prescribed to the point that it created the thousand year-system of serfdom in Europe.


11 posted on 08/11/2009 6:11:33 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: BGHater

I don’t really think it requires much of a study, to come to the conclusion that people do not like to be taxed.


12 posted on 08/11/2009 6:23:56 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: BGHater

The Article was written in ISTAMBUL. Anger at High Taxation is far reaching!


14 posted on 08/11/2009 6:48:31 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Daveinyork
We already know that. The rebellion against Rheheboam, Solomon’s son and heir, was about taxes, and it caused a permanent split in the Kingdom of Israel.

And going further back, Joseph persuaded Pharaoh to give the people of Egypt an 80% 'tax cut' (from 100% of non-household grain production down to 20%), to give an "economic boost" ahead of a prophesied famine (which came to pass). See Genesis 41:34-35.

15 posted on 08/11/2009 8:43:43 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Proud to be an American, where I least I know I'm free!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

A bit of research on taxes during the Roman empire shows:

1. Inheritance tax 5%.
2. Land tax, between 10 and 20%, mostly in the 10-15% range, taken in-kind, i.e., 10% of the harvest as tax where the tax payer owned the land. If the tax payer used public land, the rate was approximately 30%.
3. Instead of payment in kind, some provinces paid a monetary tax of 14 to 20% although it’s not clear what base this percentage applied to.
4. A “head tax” i.e., a flat rate tax paid per person. In some provinces only on men, in others on men, women and children. Did not apply to Roman citizens and the amount assessed varied from year to year and was different in different provinces.
5. Transport tax, similar to a tariff or duty, levied at the borders of provinces.
6. In addition to taxation, the emperor owned profit-making businesses, such as silver mines, the revenue from which went into his pocket, but he was also expected to pay for certain civic improvements and the like from his private revenue.
7. There were other taxes, such as on auctions.

Source: David S. Potter, THE ROMAN EMPIRE AT BAY AD 180–395,http://www.scribd.com/doc/17297008/THE-ROMAN-EMPIRE-AT-BAY-AD-180395

Jack


16 posted on 08/11/2009 8:51:51 AM PDT by JackOfVA
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8:11 He said, "These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen, and to run before his chariots;

8:12 and he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots.

8:13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers.

8:14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants.

8:15 He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants.

17 posted on 08/11/2009 5:56:25 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (War is fought by human beings. - Carl von Clausewitz in On War)
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18 posted on 08/11/2009 7:09:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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It is interesting that this appears to be one of the many Greek cities in Anatolia. So a Muslim is willing to look at non-Islamic society?


19 posted on 08/11/2009 7:19:52 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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only a tenth?


20 posted on 08/11/2009 7:31:05 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: Fractal Trader; eleni121
It is interesting that this appears to be one of the many Greek cities in Anatolia. So a Muslim is willing to look at non-Islamic society? The Turks like to refer to such cities as "Roman" because it obscures the Greek origins.
21 posted on 08/17/2009 9:36:59 AM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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They also use Ionians this and Ionians that—forgetting to add Greek at the end.

They are really contemptuous in their collective pathological amnesia.


22 posted on 08/17/2009 9:46:01 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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The Turks have a pathological fear that if they admit the origins of the things around them they will then be forced to give those areas up. Remember, Turkey is at the tail end of a very long decline.


23 posted on 08/17/2009 12:13:07 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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