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Motorcyclist dies in apparent road-rage crash (Darwin Award ?)
Ventura County Star ^ | 08-10-2009 | Adam Foxman

Posted on 08/11/2009 5:27:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag

A motorcyclist was killed Monday in a collision with a motor home on Highway 101’s Conejo Grade after he slowed rapidly in front of the recreational vehicle in an apparent road-rage incident, authorities said.

The motorcyclist, a 57-year-old Ventura man, was killed about 12:22 p.m. on southbound Highway 101 near Camarillo Springs Road when he collided with a roughly 30-foot motor home driven by Michael Antoine, 68, of Thousand Oaks, said Officer Terry Uhrich of the California Highway Patrol’s Moorpark office.

The motorcyclist and Antoine were both traveling about 55 mph when the collision occurred in the right lane, authorities said. Witnesses and Antoine later told authorities that the motorcyclist had made obscene hand gestures, pulled in front of the motor home, then slowed down dramatically, Uhrich said.

Antoine did not have time to react and struck the back of the low-slung custom motorcycle, causing it to become stuck under the front of the RV, authorities said. The motorcyclist was thrown from the bike, run over by the motor home and dragged underneath for about 75 feet, Uhrich said. Unable to steer, Antoine continued about 500 feet and hit the center divider, Uhrich said.

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KEYWORDS: darwinaward; hogs; hooligan; motorbike; motorcycle; suicide
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We have a winner! Swear in front of a 30 foot, 16,000 lb. GVW motor home going 55mph and slam on the brakes.
1 posted on 08/11/2009 5:27:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag
The motorcyclist was thrown from the bike, run over by the motor home and dragged underneath for about 75 feet,

I love a happy ending.

2 posted on 08/11/2009 5:31:40 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century. I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Amerigomag
"The motorcyclist, a 57-year-old Ventura man..."

Probably too old to be a Darwin Award winner.

3 posted on 08/11/2009 5:32:13 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Amerigomag

How perfect for Orange County Choppers.

They could build a coffin-bike for this guy to be buried in!


4 posted on 08/11/2009 5:39:43 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: Amerigomag

That’s gonna leave a mark!


5 posted on 08/11/2009 5:41:02 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Amerigomag

No wonder the loons keep getting reelected in California. There were over 200 comments after the article and almost all were touchy-feeley handwringing over the poor biker, with a few shots at the old fud RV driver. Not many mentioned the road-rage factor. What a bunch of wimps!


6 posted on 08/11/2009 5:44:29 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Paladin2
Probably too old to be a Darwin Award winner.

Only under ObamaCare.

7 posted on 08/11/2009 5:44:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

Well, at least he died doing what he loved- being an idiot.


8 posted on 08/11/2009 5:47:14 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Amerigomag

The location is a big freeway, about four lanes each direction, and a surprisingly steep downhill section.

But location side, the bigger issue is how the biker lived this long?


9 posted on 08/11/2009 5:48:26 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Amerigomag

The location is a big freeway, about four lanes each direction, and a surprisingly steep downhill section.

But location side, the bigger issue is how the biker lived this long?


10 posted on 08/11/2009 5:48:34 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Amerigomag
Ha-Ha!


11 posted on 08/11/2009 5:49:33 PM PDT by csvset
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To: truth_seeker

If this event happened as reported, then yes this biker definitely was none too bright.

I have a hard time believing the MH could catch up to a bike from behind if he was paying attention, so either he broke quickly in front of the MH or he slowed because he lost control for some reason. Either way, being that close to a 30’ RV on a downhill grade ain’t wise either way.


12 posted on 08/11/2009 5:54:47 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Amerigomag

30-foot motor home: 1

Low-slung custom motorcycle: 0


13 posted on 08/11/2009 5:58:02 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: HamiltonJay
I have a hard time believing the MH could catch up to a bike from behind if he was paying attention, so either he broke quickly in front of the MH or he slowed because he lost control for some reason. Either way, being that close to a 30’ RV on a downhill grade ain’t wise either way.

The article clearly states he made rude hand gestures and then swerved in front of the RV and "slowed down dramatically", which to me means he slammed on his brakes after pulled directly in front of the RV, I would assume he did this in an attempt to cause the RV to lose control and have an accident, which is what happened but with different consequences than the biker envisioned.

14 posted on 08/11/2009 5:58:47 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Amerigomag

My apologies to all. This article belongs under the California Topic but the FR server apparently no longer recognizes state topics. What is “Local News”?


15 posted on 08/11/2009 6:01:05 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

in high school, he would have been the kid to ask, “ When am I ever going to need to know physics,man?”


16 posted on 08/11/2009 6:03:40 PM PDT by karatemom
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To: calex59

The article states what the DRIVER OF THE RV REPORTED, keep that in mind.

I am not saying that isn’t what happened, but what is REPORTED, is not always what happened.

The night the nut job decided to shoot up a health club last week all the local networks were reporting the cops said it was a “domestic” incident.

Remember, the driver of the bike isn’t around to report his side of things.

I am not saying the RV driver is not telling the truth, just that simply because something is reported, does not mean that is what happened.


17 posted on 08/11/2009 6:05:02 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: buccaneer81

Too bad...looked like a nice bike. Unlike the operator it might be salvageable.


18 posted on 08/11/2009 6:07:01 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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To: HamiltonJay
I am not saying the RV driver is not telling the truth, just that simply because something is reported, does not mean that is what happened.

True. And I don't ride anymore, but I don't ever remember being so distracted that I didn't notice an RV closing on me.

19 posted on 08/11/2009 6:10:27 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (We seem to have reached a critical mass of stupid people.)
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To: HamiltonJay
The article states what the DRIVER OF THE RV REPORTED

Did you miss this part? Witnesses and...

20 posted on 08/11/2009 6:10:58 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Amerigomag

Never bring a low slung bike to an RV fight.


21 posted on 08/11/2009 6:12:31 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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22 posted on 08/11/2009 6:35:33 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Blue Jays
Any folks using the trite and shopworn phrase donorcycle or lame murdercycle label after this post are utter nitwits.


23 posted on 08/11/2009 6:50:48 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Amerigomag
Witnesses later told authorities that the motorcyclist had made obscene hand gestures, pulled in front of the motor home, then slowed down dramatically.

I wonder what this guy was thinking as he was being crushed and ground to death under the wheels? I bet for a split second he thought, "I'm stupid and really dead".

24 posted on 08/11/2009 6:52:48 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Amerigomag
He should have held tighter onto the bars...To bad the impact knocked him off the seat and under the wheels at 60 miles per hour.

No doubt this will be a closed casket funeral for this moron.

Bet the motor still fires up.


25 posted on 08/11/2009 6:57:35 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Amerigomag

He is lucky he didnt hit a truck


26 posted on 08/11/2009 6:58:29 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Blue Jays
Any folks using the trite and shopworn phrase donorcycle or lame murdercycle label after this post are utter nitwits.

I can honestly say that I'd never heard or read those phrases before you posted them.

I've never owned a motorcycle though, maybe that's the reason.

27 posted on 08/11/2009 7:02:01 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: 6SJ7

Had a similar incident near Kingman, Arizona a few years ago. Driving a converted school bus, I was pulling a grade at about 45 mph. A pickup truck impatiently followed.

Upon reaching the top of the hill, the pickup roared around and blocked the road.

The driver came running back, approached the drivers window, and yelled, Get out of there, I’m going to kick your a**”! BUT, HE WAS lol

Sticking his head into the window, he suddenly recoiled as Washoe, my Great Dane, who stood 36 inches tall at the shoulder, attempted to “take a bite out of crime”.

“And if that $%*@!#& dog wasn’t in there I would kick your a**. BUT HE WAS! lol


28 posted on 08/11/2009 7:02:23 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: HamiltonJay
The article states what the DRIVER OF THE RV REPORTED, keep that in mind.

No, that is not what was reported.

""Witnesses and Antoine later told authorities that the motorcyclist had made obscene hand gestures, pulled in front of the motor home, then slowed down dramatically, Uhrich said.""

29 posted on 08/11/2009 7:02:40 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Amerigomag

Sorry, folks, I ain’t buyin’ the RV guy’s story.


30 posted on 08/11/2009 7:02:40 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: papasmurf
Sorry, folks, I ain’t buyin’ the RV guy’s story.

Based on what? Thin air?

There were witnessed that backed up the RV drivers statement.

31 posted on 08/11/2009 7:04:03 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Amerigomag
Teh stupid, it kills.
32 posted on 08/11/2009 7:05:22 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?)...R.I.P.)
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To: OpeEdMunkey
There used to be a term - "BasketCase" - for bikes in parts.

Sometimes the result of "Ahm gonna rebuild this in muh basement over the winter" or denoting a crashed bike bought from a widow.
33 posted on 08/11/2009 7:08:21 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Amerigomag

Just reading the comments... MANY Californians have some weird disease, I think. It’s as if they are blinded by their own preconceptions, oblivious to fact, and proud of it! Thank goodness I didn’t marry that girl from Seal Beach.


34 posted on 08/11/2009 7:09:08 PM PDT by FrPR
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To: FrPR
Just reading the comments... MANY Californians have some weird disease, I think. It’s as if they are blinded by their own preconceptions, oblivious to fact, and proud of it! Thank goodness I didn’t marry that girl from Seal Beach.

That's odd, as some of the most inconsistent, baseless and inaccurate statements here were made by people from Pennsylvania and Georgia. lol...

Ya should of married the girl from Seal Beach.

35 posted on 08/11/2009 7:17:33 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: papasmurf

I had this happen to me in Florida, except for the accident part.


36 posted on 08/11/2009 7:20:02 PM PDT by The SunDrop Kid
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To: Amerigomag

But ... was he wearing a helmet?


37 posted on 08/11/2009 7:21:29 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: dragnet2

No, I should NOT have. In any case here’s one of those posts:

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Posted by islandog on August 10, 2009 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This was a dear friend of mine, an experienced rider who rode as good as any motorcyclist I’ve known. I witnessed the aftermath of this coming down the grade, saw his bike and knew who it was. This is a sad day for the entire Ventura HOG Chapter who knew and loved this man. He was one of the good ones. Motorists have got to be more cautious and realize the motorcycles are extremely vulnerable. Cars, truck and motorhomes are weapons in the hands of drivers that are not paying attention to motorcylists and yielding proper space to keep them safe. From now on this will be the Kashdan grade in memory of our dear friend.

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38 posted on 08/11/2009 7:21:54 PM PDT by FrPR
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To: Amerigomag

Bet he doesn’t do that again.


39 posted on 08/11/2009 7:23:51 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: mylife
That’s gonna leave a mark!

On the road.

40 posted on 08/11/2009 7:24:35 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Amerigomag
A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.

Guess this dude was not wise.

41 posted on 08/11/2009 7:27:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: dragnet2
Based on 42 years of MC riding experience, 32 of it in SoCal. Based on knowing the average motorhome pilot drives maybe 18k miles a year, if that. Based on only 75 feet of skid marks, and he was drug 500 ft. Based on the knowledge that to slow that quickly, he would have left skid marks from the rear wheel. Based on a motorhome in the left lane, in Cali. that's illegal. Based on the rv'er being from Oregon and knowing it's illegal and it's possibly a three point ticket and as much as a $500.00 fine. Based on a man riding a $35k plus Big Dog in the LEFT LANE going down a grade. Based on other reports, found via google, that indicate the witnesses were passengers in the RV.

More likely, the RV pulled out in front of the motorcyclist in the 2nd to left lane. The motorcyclist, po'd, gassed on it, blew past the RV, waving the one fingered salute and yelling, then when he was clear, he did slow down, probably rapidly to avoid the possible radar wielding Chippy, and the RV aided by the downhill grade, gassed on it to pizz the bike off. The combination of the bike slowing and the RV accelerating, coupled with the, most likely, poor braking of a class "C" motorhome, and we have an accident.
42 posted on 08/11/2009 7:30:45 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: FrPR
Motorists have got to be more cautious and realize the motorcycles are extremely vulnerable. Cars, truck and motorhomes are weapons in the hands of drivers that are not paying attention to motorcylists and yielding proper space to keep them safe. From now on this will be the Kashdan grade in memory of our dear friend.

No, MOTORCYCLISTS need to remember that if they drive as if the other vehicles on the road can't see them, they have a 50/50 chance of surviving! Motorcyclists need to ride as if they're in "DeathRace 2000," and the other drivers get extra points for killing the biker! I've had cars rear-end me 3 different times while I was driving my car while stopped at a stop light! Had I been on my bike, I would have been killed all 3 times. I simply don't know how to make my Toyota "more visible" to other drivers!

And in this case, from the witness accounts, it sounds like the guy on the bike tried to "freak out" the RV driver, while forgetting the very simple, but important fact, that bikes stop a whole lot quicker than just about any 4 wheel vehicle. Which is why it's so important to know what's going on behind you while you're riding a bike.

Mark

43 posted on 08/11/2009 7:35:32 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: FrPR

Uh, I was referring to this site, on this thread and the posts by members on *this* thread, right here, right now. lol...


44 posted on 08/11/2009 7:38:28 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: The SunDrop Kid

Really? Was he about 57 years old, and riding a $35k bike? Or was it one of those Daytona week warriors proving how tough they are?

I do not believe this happened the way it is being portrayed.


45 posted on 08/11/2009 7:38:56 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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To: papasmurf; FrPR
Sorry, folks, I ain’t buyin’ the RV guy’s story.

Based on what? Thin air?

There were witnessed that backed up the RV drivers statement.

Based on 42 years of MC riding experience

It really doesn't matter if your a astronaut, with 6 missions to the lunar surface.

Based on the article, the fact is there were *witnesses* that witnessed the biker flip off the MH, and then slow abruptly directly in front of it.

wow...

46 posted on 08/11/2009 7:43:05 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: papasmurf

Why would the witnesses on scene, lie about the events?


47 posted on 08/11/2009 7:45:07 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: HamiltonJay
Witnesses and Antoine later told authorities
48 posted on 08/11/2009 7:52:30 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: papasmurf
Based on a motorhome in the left lane, in Cali. that's illegal.

In addition to totally ignoring what the witnesses on scene stated, you seem to have reading difficulties.

From the article: The motorcyclist and Antoine were both traveling about 55 mph when the collision occurred in the right lane,

49 posted on 08/11/2009 7:53:38 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Yes, it does matter. That you say it doesn’t, means you know nothing, you only have an opinion.

Even if the witnesses were in separate vehicles, witnesses make mistakes all the time. Where were the witnesses? Behind the RV, to the side of the RV, in front of the RV, in the opposing lanes?


50 posted on 08/11/2009 7:54:45 PM PDT by papasmurf (RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
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