Skip to comments.Freepers, Birthers, Morons of ALL stripe [ PUKE ]
Posted on 08/13/2009 1:55:08 PM PDT by rface
Accusations and responses from Liberal Kook to Rational Conservative:
You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
[ Damn straight! - The US Supreme Court said, "No Cherry Picking Vote Recounts from Democrat Counties....It's UnConstitutional ]
You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
[ That's Right - Its like NOT having Politicians pretending to be Health Care Providers ]
You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
[ Plame was not "covert" -- she was a political HACK that needed to be outed.....her and her HACK Husband... ]
You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
[ Either did Pelosi, Hillary, Reid....and every other Democrat that voted on it....... ]
You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
[ The Senate Dimocratics and the House Dimocratics voted ....almost to a person..... authorized the Iraq and Afghanistan war. So what's Obama going to do about it? ]
You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
[ How much is Afghanistan going to cost and what is the Dimocraps going to do in the Senate, the House and the White House going to do about Afghanistan money?? ]
You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.
[ yea - that kinda sucked ]
You didn't get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.
[ I have been to Frat House parties that were more disturbing ]
You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
[ some terrorists need torturing ]
You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
[ I never could figure out the "illegal" part....maybe it's kinda like the "enemies list" that Obama/Rham are building at FLAG@whitehouse.gov ]
You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
[ I'll be happy when Obama, as Commander of the Military catches Osama, then Obama can get credit for killing Osama, and that'd be fine with me.....Obama Kills Osama ....Good ]
You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
[ yes - I got mad ]
You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.
[ I got mad because the Dimocraps let an entire city turn into a dependant child-like thing that was unable and unwilling to take care of itself. Mayor Nagin and the empty School Busses killed many people and it made me mad ]
You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.
[ Almost the entire House and Senate and President are happy to loot the American Taxpayers .... It is shameful ]
You finally got mad when.. when... wait for it... when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans... well f**k that. That about right? You know it is.
You people have all lost your f**king minds. You are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, narcissistic, and frankly... stupid. Your pathetic little misspelled protest signs are embarrassing. Maybe you ought to find the smart person in your midst and let them make up all the signs, cause man, you look like a bunch of idiots. Also you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.
It seems like second-grade insults at best, but that’s right on the libs’ level.
It wasn't an illegal invasion. Saddam Hussein was in violation of the resolutions from the FIRST Gulf War. He had broken the peace when he did so. He'd been warned of military response in the past. He was even offered the opportunity to step down prior to the invasion.
Nothing like a Democrat to stand up for a man like Saddam Hussein and his sons. They refer to Iraq as a sovereign nation but believe that the United States must get the approval from the horribly corrupt United Nations before WE can act.
That doesn't mean the protests now are invalid. It just means conservatives ought to be willing to say, "you're right! We should have complained louder over those years of deficit spending. We're making up for it by being doubly loud now."
Send this to him:
The Necessary Enemy
Dr. Pat Santy (aka: “Dr. Sanity”)
Occupation: M.D. (Psychiatry / Aerospace Medicine)
Monday, August 10, 2009
SHEER PROJECTION AND PARANOID FANTASY
You can always tell what liberals** are up to by what they accuse you of.” - Ann Coulter
I am not a big fan of Ann Coulter; nor have I read her books, but I heard her say this on Fox News the other day and I was struck by how psychologically astute the comment was.
What Coulter is alluding to is the mechanism of projection, which is the psychological strategy by which the user is able to disown his or her own thoughts, feelings, and/or behaviors— even as they virtuously accuse others of possessing those same thoughts, feelings and behaviors.
In, “The Necessary Enemy”, Dr. Zero at Hot Air identified a crucial psychological defense that is required for collectivism in all its variations:
Collectivist politics of any stripe requires enemies, because they rely upon coercion. Socialist utopias dont come into existence spontaneously. There would be no need for confiscatory tax rates on the wealthy, if the wealthy voluntarily used their money to buy cars and houses for everyone in the lower income brackets, without requiring them to work in return. Nobody would be talking about nationalizing health care if doctors and hospital staff were happy to work eighty hour weeks for minimum wage, and pharmaceutical companies were run as giant charities that cheerfully sank billions into developing drugs they resell at cost. Few people would leave a sizable chunk of their estates to the government, if the government didnt seize the money through death taxes. No large group of people on Earth has every freely chosen to peacefully organize themselves into a socialist collective they either slip into it through small losses of freedom that seem relatively painless as they happen, or they are forced into it at gunpoint. If Franklin Delano Roosevelt had proposed Obamas current budget and regulatory plans at the outset of the New Deal, he would have been laughed out of office, and if he had attempted to impose Obamas policies by force, he would have needed infantry platoons and tanks.
The basic premise of socialist government, as Obama famously explained to a plumber in Ohio last fall, is to take wealth away from the more successful people in society, and spread that wealth around. This will always be a more attractive proposition to the people serving as the bread, than the people being used as the peanut butter. The creators of wealth must be forced to participate in the system, far beyond the point where a sense of civic duty or compassion for the downtrodden would keep them in line. After all, nearly half the country currently pays no income taxes, and theyre not all downtrodden people deserving of charity. In fact, the socialist dream is to reach the point where over half the population pays no taxes, and will thus be inclined to support all expansions of government power. You cant get to the magic 51% of tax dependents just by using hungry orphans as props.
Increasing levels of coercion are necessary to expand the socialist system, and keep wealth producers trapped within it. To maintain popular support, the socialist needs voters to stay angry at designated class enemies. The Obama style of total government control over private businesses tends to turn feral with frightening speed, because it attempts to preserve the illusion of private enterprise, even as the entrepreneurs are enslaved to the total state.
The psychological defense mechanism being described is projection (which, with just a little psychic push and hysteria becomes full-blown paranoia).
The beginning of the 21st century will surely be looked back on as a golden age of paranoia. The headlines of today fairly ooze with the delusions and vast conspiracies dreamed of in the mind of the paranoid left.
I will also admit that paranoia and delusional thinking are equal-opportunity, multiracial, multicultural and gender-indifferent psychological processes. And, they are so easy and convenient to use, that they are accessible even to the youngest of children or the most physiologically disabled adult mind. The political left certainly has no claim of exclusivity in the use of these two immature defenses, but they are without a doubt the gold medal winners in the American paranoid olympics, and the political right will have to work very hard to ever catch up with them.
Let us compare and contrast for a moment the paranoia of the left versus the paranoia of the right. Recently, Eugene Robinson briefly teetered on the edge of extreme hyperbole, then fell over into it without much resistance when he said:
If there has been a more clinically insane political phenomenon in my lifetime than the “birthers,” I’ve missed it. Is this what our national discourse has come to? Sheer paranoid fantasy?
Jonah Goldberg responded:
Really? Did Robinson miss the 9/11 truthers? This was the movement that insisted the U.S. government was in on, or even orchestrated, the 9/11 attacks. Such theories went from the simply nutty to full-on whackjob bonkers. Some, like former DNC Chair and then-presidential candidate Howard Dean simply entertained the “theory” that Bush was “tipped off” by the Saudis but let 9/11 happen anyway. Some, like Rosy O’Donnell argued that the conspiracy was so advanced that the inside job was the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel.
Now, it may be foolish for birthers to assume that Obama’s refusal to release the full birth certificate is proof that he’s foreign born (as opposed to assuming he’s simply trying to gin up a controversy or conceal something else entirely) but is it really more crazy than thinking the United States government orchestrated 9/11?
There was also Michael Moore who insisted that Bush knew where Osama Bin Laden was but the president was simply keeping him on ice (Moore also believed OJ was innocent, for the record). The vast bulk of the left agreed with the Moore vision that Bush always knew there were no WMDs but “lied us into war” for ulterior motives. Those alleged motives varied in outlandishness, to be sure, but for a long while there no theory was crazy enough to earn much scorn from the Olbermanns and Conasons. When Moore’s film Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in DC, Democrats flocked to the premiere, unconcerned with the paranoid delusions and deceits it contained. Click here to see then DNC chair Terry McAuliffe looking gaga as he shakes Moore’s hand.
Oh and let’s not forget all of the nonsense during, and in the wake of, Hurricane Katrina when several prominent figures made all sorts of crazy statements. Randall Robinson said that blacks and only blacks were eating the flesh of the dead almost immediately after the flooding. Spike Lee and others insisted that the levees might have been bombed by the Bush administration in order to kill or scatter black residents of New Orleans. Cynthia McKinney says the American forces rounded up and executed 5,000 “prisoners” and dumped in the swamps of Louisiana.
Meanwhile, the GOP leadership and the vast majority of rightwing and conservative pundits have either rejected or ignored the birther stuff (including Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan). But the GOP is supposed to own it. Democrats, meanwhile, were never held to a remotely similar standard when a far more evil and pervasive bout of paranoia claimed their own party. Funny how that works.
Yes, funny, isn’t it?
There has been a series of bizarre conspiracy theories emanating from anxious leftists for the past 8+ years as they have desperately attempted to keep the holes in their ideology plugged; and thus preventing any **reality** from washing over them or flooding their cognitive processes.
Every time a leak in that ideological dike appears, the postmodern-progressive-paranoid chewing gum is brought out to plug it up. The TNG memos were a clever plot by Karl Rove. The Bush Administration was behind 9/11; Katrina was allowed to destroy New Orleans because Bush hates blacks. George Bush is about to impose a theocracy on the unsuspecting U.S. Pat Tillman was murdered because he wanted to meet with anti-war activist Norm Chomsky. Sarah Palin is not the mother of Trig and faked her pregnancy. The list of the paranoid delusions goes on and on and on.
Taken as a whole, they are evidence of an ongoing and determined refusal to face reality—because it is a reality that threatens the belief systm of a very large section of the American population. Without the delusions and conspiracies concocted by the always creative political left, their whole house of Marxist cards will come crumbling down.
Some have said that Unwillingness To Face Reality And Its Consequences is the most serious mental illness of our time; and that is most certainly true.
The bacteria of paranoid stupidity is very easily spread. The infecting agent is usually a true believer who cannot face some unpleasant aspect of reality (i.e. an “unpleasant” or “inconvenient” truth) that is starting to trickle out into the open. It must dammed up immediately. The paranoid gum is handy and easy to use—just chew it up and plaster it over the hole.
For the political left, the gum has created a series of interrelated and connected paranoid theories that link the Bush Administration to anything bad in the world. Obama himself resorts to this technique in practically every speech. His pattern is simple to appreciate: first he courageously takes responsibility for what is happening; then he forcefully reminds of that he inherited the problem and it’s not really his fault at all; it’s Bush’s. Now that’s how real “postmodern responsibility” works.
He just neglects to mention that his own party has controlled Congress since 2006—well before the current economic problems became evident. But that’s not relevant, is it? Funny how that works.
Just as the Jews serve as the handy scapegoat on which the dysfunctional Arab/Islamic culture in the Middle East can blame all their own societal failures; Conservatives and the political right serve the function of being the source of all evil in American society to the dysfunctional political left. If they did not have a George Bush on which to blame all societies ills, they would have to invent him—or, better yet, insert any current prominent Republican—e.g., Sarah Palin—into the same BDS scapegoat mold; and then transfer all their rage and hostility toward that individual or group. Not to have such a scapegoat on which to project their own inadequacies would mean they would have to question some very basic assumptions about their fantasized superiority.
In making paranoid pronouncements, the paranoid person always takes himself or herself extremely seriously. Rarely does the paranoid person present themselves to a mental health professional seeking help for their paranoia; or even complaining about their psychological projections, no matter how bizarre or dysfunctional they may be. That is because for them, the paranoia and the accompanying projections explain away and rationalize so much about their failures as individuals, ideologies and cultures.
The insane asylum we refer to as the Middle East and all its affiliates in Africa and Indonesia where Islamic delusion runs rampant, have a fully formed paranod fantasy that explains their lack of progress and their dysfunction in the real world. Likewise, the lunatic left also subscribes to their own special convoluted explantions of dysfunction and lack of power. In both cases, if the object of their projections did not exist, they would have to invent them because their world view cannot be held together without the gummy glue of the paranoid fantasies that connect all their dots. To them, the fact that Blackwaters and Halliburtons—or any successful capitalist business exists—is enough to explain their own dysfunction and lack of progress.
Funny, isn’t it, how this characteristic and prevalent delusion of the political left perfectly parallels the paranoid delusions of the backward Islamic oountries of the Middle East and their attitude toward the “evil Jews.”
If only Israel and the Jews could be “wiped off the map”; or, if only those evil capitalist companies could be “torn up into a thousand pieces and scatter[ed] to the wind” then Islam/Progressivism would be more successful.
Everything can be explained by this kind of paranoid logic. In fact, paranoia is really nothing more than the use of reason and logic in the service of the irrational and bizarre.
Are you poor? Someone must have robbed you of what you are entitled to!
Are you angry and experiencing hatred, but like to think of yourself as a loving, compassionate sort of person? Then the object of your hatred magically becomes the one who hates...you!
Is your genius not universally recognized? You must have powerful enemies that prevent you from achieving the success you know should be yours.
Have you made mistakes in your life? Someone has clearly tricked you into acting a certain way otherwise you wouldn’t have.
Has your ideology continually and repeatedly failed in the real world and resulted in death and misery for all who implement it? Take heart! It is not your fault or your ideology’s! Either it wasn’t implemented virutously enough; or there were evil [Republican, Neocon, Male, White, Christian, Jewish] forces (choose one or more) that have been plotting against it!
The above mental gymnastics allow the paranoid person to externalize blame and avoid responsibility for his situation in life, as well as his own feelings. It is always someone else’s fault and not his. It is always someone else who is experiencing the objectionable feelings, and he is always the victim of it.
In addition to externalizing blame for one’s own pitiful situation in life, there is yet another advantage to paranoia and projection: very often, a creative distortion of reality can reliably pump up one’s own self-esteem! You are the righteous; persecuting the true racists thus proving you, yourself, are incapable of any racist thoughts or emotions! Aren’t you wonderful?
Sometimes, it pumps it that self-esteem up at the expense of a great deal of fear; but nevertheless, it is comforting to know that someone appreciates your genius or the threat you represent. Clearly if the CIA, FBI, aliens, Jews , POTUS, Republicans, Business/capitalism, Big Oil [—fill in your favorite bogeyman here—] are out to get you, you must be very special and unique indeed.
In short, paranoia and its baby brother projection organize and distort reality in a way that makes it palatable; and, at the same time help the user to avoid recognizing some unpleasant truths about himself. When practiced on a societal or cultural level, it accomplishes the same thing on a larger scale. All you have to do is eliminate the external problem and everything will be all right and you’ll never have to question your beliefs—or say you are sorry— again.
The typical con artist does this consciously and deliberately and understands the effectiveness of the psychological maneuver. Con artists come in all sorts of political stripes, of course, but the left is far more prone to this sort of immoral maneuver because they have an intense need to appear virtuous. A con artist that I am personally familiar with, in fact, once astutely commented that the difference between leftists and conservatives is that leftists think they are “better people”; while conservatives think they have “better ideas.” In this, as in so many ways, the left is like a typical shame culture where the appearance of virtue is far more important than actually being viruous.
Reality is always redrawn in order to pump up their own righteousness and virtue. Anyone who opposes their policies is automatically branded as racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic— take your pick, depending on the circumstances.
Hell, anyone who offers ANY new ideas in these areas are automatically branded with one of the “isms”.
It is useless to point out the truth to people in the grip of these kind of paranoid delusions. It is just so easy to attribute one’s own cynical motives and unacceptable feelings to others, particularly when such attribution is culturally sanctioned.
It is inconceivable to paranoid persons that people actually exist who view the situation differently from them. It is inconceivable that they could be wrong about their perception of reality. Con men always think others are out to con them. In fact, most paranoids consider themselves the ONLY reality-based community, because they get to define what reality is and it is always what they happen to feel. And it is always about making sure they feel good and virtuous and self-righteous.
Paranoia and projection also provide a rationale and justification (to the paranoid, at least) for acting out against those who—from their perspective— stand in the way of implementing their social programs; or will not submit to the will of their god (whoever and whatever it may be).
Oh, and by the way: DO NOT make the mistake of thinking that only psychiatric patients who have a serious mental illness utilize these defense mechanisms. Paranoia is a symptom of many mental illnesses; but both paranoia and projection are also physiological states of the brain that can be achieved by otherwise “normal” people under the proper circumstances. The distortion of reality that occurs with the use of these defenses is always done to serve inner psychological needs.
Paranoia and projection as psychological defenses used by otherwise normal people are not mental illnesses that can be “cured” by mass quantities of antipsychotic medication in the water supply. Instead, they represent a distortion of reality that occurs in order to meet the inner needs of a crumbling self (or a crumbling ideology, culture, or society) that cannot otherwise be psychologically sustained.
To those who are using such a defense, their behavior and rhetoric seem perfectly logical and internally consistent. It is, in fact, as impeccable as any reasoning can be—considering that it originates from distorted premises. Paranoia has been referred to as “the rational in the service of the irrational” for good reasons.
And, by that kind of “logic” it makes perfect sense to use the maximum force possible to destroy those who the paranoid believes are responsible for the evil: e.g., all those absurd conspiracies that are wholeheartedly supported by the left that claim Bush and Cheney downed the twin towers; and have those who oppose them murdered. All those absurd theories that the Israelis created a disease that is specific to Arab genes or that the fictional Protocols are behind the lack of Nobel Prizes for Muslims; or even that the genocide in Darfur is just another Jewish conspiracy. These kind of paranoid fantasies all comes from the same psychological source.
As long as they maintain those delusions, they do not have to deal with the sad state of their own culture; their own sick religion; or their pathetic ideological inadequacies.
The “Birther” conspiracy could have been put to rest long ago if Obama had practiced what he preached about “transparency” and had released the long-form of his birth certificate; or if Obama had released ANY of his past records from college and law school—which, of course, he never did and thus his history remains murky and opaque without much external validation to this day. Nor did a profoundly uncurious media make any attempt to fill in the blanks of his opaque history (except to take him at his word). Instead of seeing the story as one of Obama’s lack of transparency and neurotic obsession with keeping possibly deleterious aspects of his past secret and hidden from view (which naturally makes reasonable people question what there is to hide), the media still believe the REAL story is presenting even the most reasonable of questioners about that lack of transparancy as delusional.
Granted that there may indeed be a few who will never let the truth stand in the way of their delusion that Barack Obama/Barry Soetero is not a real US citizen; how pray tell is that somehow orders of magnitude more serious than the 9/11 “Truthers” who can never be convinced that Bush and Cheney were the evil behind the attacks on 9/11?
I said in a post just before the 2008 election that I didn’t expect that an Obama win would “heal” the fundamental psychopathological and paranoid defect that drives the political left and their postmodern progressivism. On the contrary, it is clear that winning has only further hardened the baseline projection and paranoia and extended the delusions and conspiracies about all who continue to disagree with them.
After all, they now have to explain why their policies are making things worse, instead of better. And they will need a lot of scapegoats to accomplish that job.
Probably at least 50% of the population, in fact.
**NOTE: Coulter call the progressive left “liberals”, but I won’t give them that title, since I am a classical liberal and don’t believe they deserve or are entitled to the label. To me they are “progressive” or “leftist”; which are both synonymous as far as I’m concerned with the term “collectivist.”
- Diagnosed by Dr. Sanity @ 7:04 AM 
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You didn’t get mad when your radical Islamic President didn’t show a birth certificate.
Dogs get “mad”.
Freepers get “angry”!
Coming soon to YOUR neighborhood medical center.
...Americans who were engaged in international calls with members of Al Qaida.
Ever wonder why the media was so upset about this? Because some publications (like Time) had journalists in communication with Al Qaida. Maybe they didn't want EVERYTHING to be on the record.
You didn't get mad when "Bin Laden" endorsed John Kerry in 2004 and Barack Obama in 2008.
Apart from his wife celebrating her husband’s victory, name ONE thing that the President has celebrated about America?
There may not have been marches in the street but there were plenty who rose to speak out against Paulson’s recommendation to bailout and spend last fall.
Congress even took it off the table for 2 weeks to build up the scare stories for America.
Barry has said that he didn’t initiate such changes but it still offers no excuse to continuing the revolution over the American economy.
You finally got mad when.. when... wait for it... when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick.
No ER in this country turns away a sick (or not) patient be they here legally or illegally.
"Congress even took it off the table for 2 weeks to build up the scare stories for America.
"Barry has said that he didnt initiate such changes but it still offers no excuse to continuing the revolution over the American economy."
Too many good points not to repost your whole comment! You're right, at the end, people did start making a ruckus. I just wish people (ABSOLUTELY including myself) had done more, louder, sooner.
You're right about Obama's lack of excuses, too. Just as previous inaction doesn't invalidate the current protests, previous wrong action doesn't make continued wrong action somehow the right thing to do.
Get a puppy.
I’d say he was an ex-friend by now.
I’m starting to see how civil wars start. There is a real choosing up of sides happening, and it’s going to get ugly IMHO.
Liberals believe it is a constitutional right to be self-loathing, America-hating, foaming-at-the-mouth, barking-at-the-moon, crazy-as-a-rabid-bat, brain-dead, ultra-left Obamabot zombies.
There is no sense getting down in the pig slop to argue with them - you just get dirty and they think it’s fun.
He's done it again this summer. He cited a woman (fake?) who reportedly (according to his people/TOTUS) said "I don't want socialized medicine... AND DON'T TOUCH MY MEDICAID!!!"
The implication being she's satisfied to accept Medicaid (imlicated as a form of Socialized Medicine) but it does NOTHING to dispell the claims that Obamacare IS Socialist.
Is he trying to say, "don't let that word Socialized scare you..."?
Sometimes you can spell all of the words right, and even have legible handwriting, but be an embarassment to this nation.
Yep! That's because the congresscritters in this country can pull that off over lunch.
But when trillions disappear in just 6-months, we really get pissed!
Here is one that us conservatives made up and held up outside Arlington National Cemetery...we got all the words right, and for the Code Pinkos, Anarchists and other liberals, the message was the right one, too.
Yea, I encounter this every day on the open forums. That’s why I mock them with their own lunacy - there isn’t a one of them that can rationally defend their POV and not a one of them that can remain civil under any circumstances.
What’s also pretty evident is that dhimmis are equally thin-skinned and cowardly. They go hand~in~hand and are borne out in their approach to discourse. If they can’t successfully bluff, bluster, or blather, they bully you. If bullying doesn’t work they threaten. Because of the nature of the Internet that’s about as far as it ever goes (unless they can obtain personal information about you, your children, or your home).
And that is because of their inherent cowardice. They do not have the courage of their convictions and will not stand up even on principle. I shield personal info to protect my children (everyone should). I harbor few illusions about dhimmis and I NEVER turn my back on one.
Second I agree with all the answers. How many FReepers stood outside Walter Reed for days if not years?
Third, just what the he$$ does any of that to do with 0care?
...and now you Libs what it for everybody.
In fairness, there really was not much to get mad at Repubs as far as the spending went...
Bush’s tax cuts caused the majority of the deficit, but it did what was intended, getting us out of recession. At least he did the right thing by cutting taxes instead of doing a trillion dollar porkulus.
Also, Bush never had more than 18% of the budget to cut. The rest was defense, interest on the debt, and entitlements. What cuts he asked for, were mostly blocked by the Democrats, although he did get some budget cuts every year except the last two IIRC (even though the budget increased).
Yes, he did increase spending on defense, but it was badly needed. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost, but they were only about 5% of the budget annually. He also was responsible for NCLB and Medicare part D, but both have been successes. NCLB forced teachers to prove they were educating kids (that is why teachers to a person hate NCLB), and Medicare part D has come in 40% under budget. Both were campaign promises that he kept, and both were far less expensive than the Democrat’s proposals.
For the last three months of his term, he believed he had no choice but to bailout the financials with TARP. He also had to work with Pelosi to get anything passed at all. I was not happy with the authorization to bail out Wall Street, but it worked. It prevented a catastrophe. We didn’t know at the time of the $550 billion dollar run on our money markets, but the President did. FWIW, of the 700 billion authorized, there is about 330 billion outstanding, and more will be paid back. He believed he had no choice, and I agree. I understand though, why many do not.
When you add in the challenges from Enron and the dotcom bust, 9/11, all of the natural disasters under his term (and there were a bunch of them...five hurricanes including Katrina in 2005 alone), and the war on terror, and the financial collapse, GWB and the Republicans actually were conservative in their spending, even though the debt doubled in eight years (5 Trillion).
In fact, because of GWB’s business friendly policies of holding down taxes and regulations, our GDP grew rapidly enough to keep government spending in the 18.5-20.5% of the GDP, below average for the last thirty years. If not for the real estate collapse, our budget would have been balanced in 2008...it almost made it in 2007. The debt to GDP held steady at about 60% of GDP, about the same as 1990-1996.
It is mostly the paulites that keep tagging GWB as such a huge spender, but they are wrong. They discount the fact that for six years Democrats voted as a block against everything Delay and Bush tried to do with the budget, and the incredible demands on the government in the same time period.
On the other hand, Obama’s spending (just in the budget) may exceed 35% of GDP. He may well double the debt in his first term (10 trillion). There really is no comparison between the massive spending we are seeing now, and the previous administration’s. Unfortunately, Republicans voting as a block cannot affect Obama’s budgets, as the Dems (with the help of a few RINOs) could GWB’s.
Tom Delay told conservatives that Republicans did the best they could, and it was the truth. With Obama and the Democrats having shown their true colors on spending the last three years, it is time to quit trying to paint GWB and the Republicans spending as somehow the same. It wasn’t, and it is easy to prove. A good example is conservative’s throwing Republicans under the bus for $44 billion in earmarks, about 2% of the budget in 2005. In place of them, we have Pelosi who won’t even talk about earmarks, and a porkulus bill that will spend $300 billion on exactly the same type of projects. 44 billion was not an exorbitant amount, it was just presented that way as a Democrat talking point.
Certainly spending was far higher than what libertarians would prefer, but now we need to acknowledge the realities of the Bush Administration’s fiscal policy.
By the way, I’m not picking on you particularly, but your theme keeps coming up, and it only helps Obama cover the staggering amount of spending he and the Dems are doing, spending that will destroy our country.
I have the charts and links to back everything up I have said in this post, so this is not just BS! (Sorry for the long post!)
She celebrated the lead-infested Victory Garden in the back 40 at the White Crib, so she's got that goin' for her.
Your “friend” is stupid, as in dehydrated rock hard stupid...
We didn't get mad, we got furious over that one - Zero is on the same page with Bush on that one and then some. Since it's the only point brought up that has any merit, it's the only one I'll respond to.
don't know.....maybe I figure there are many responses to the BS BOLD statements, and I just inserted my own responses......Have fun and come up with your own....it is pretty easy to get a handful for each BSer
You can always tell him
You didn’t get mad when Obama claimed to vote against the Iraq war when he had not yet been elected to the Senate and could not have vote against it.
You didn’t get mad when he was finally a Senator and voted for every single appropriations bill to fund the war in Iraq...and Afghanistan.
You didn’t get mad when he claimed to have been born from the Selma Riots when they happened 5 years after his birth.
You didn’t get mad when he promised no lobbyists and no pork in spending bills and placed over 30 lobbyists in administration positions, tax cheats and the first bill he signed contained over 9,000 items of pork.
You didn’t get mad when Obama named over 50 Czars that are not beholden to the congress, senate or the American people..
You didn’t get mad that he had to name those same Czars because he does not have the executive experience and has no clue how to do his job.
You didn’t get mad that he thinks so little of September 11 that he allowed his “own” jet buzz Manhattan with fighter jets following it.....
You didn’t get mad when he claimed AARP supports his health care bill even after they said they do not.
You didn’t get mad when he personally called in his own thugs to go into Town Hall and “get into their faces”.
When an elderly black man was attacked repeatedly was kicked in the face and chest by Obama’s union thugs, did you get mad or did you jump on the lie bandwagon that “if Obama care was in effect he would have had insurance?” (He does, through his wife’s employer)
You didn’t get mad during the election when he allowed on his own website people to post pictures wearing Palin is a c**t t-shirts or did you laugh about the as he did when asked why they were allowed?
You don’t get mad when Obama fills his town hall meetings with so many plants it looks like a greenhouse.
You didn’t get mad when the Administration runs a consistent pattern of refusal to disclose information after promising transparency, even Helen Thomas blasted him for that!
You didn’t get mad that he he spent exactly 51 days in the Senate then spent the next year and a half running for president, had one of the highest missed vote counts of all Senators and collected a salary for it.
You didn’t get mad when he even admitted he would not have given his own Grandmother a hip replacement because she was old....I bet your Grandmother was pretty mad to hear that!!
My lord, I can go on and on with this guy and it’s only been six months!!!
Ah the White House farm patch, where Michelle Obama sits among the carrots and peas.
She tried to force raw pea pods on kids as a snack yet she still goes OUT for hamburgers.
Do as I say, not as I do, comrade.
Wonder when she’ll get the neighborhood kids to tend her collectivist farm.
You’re a racist. < /sarc >
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