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Advice on Being Prepared for BugOut
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Posted on 08/14/2009 8:51:27 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

Advice on Being Prepared for BugOut

National Guard forced all people out of their grid locked vehicles and put them onto buses which took them to the airport for transport. Gone were all the survival goods that the family had packed. Granted, they were not survivalists and only packed family mementos, but if they had, the survival goods would have been forced to be left behind in the car. The National Guard were armed and ready to shoot if the people did not comply. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

If there is a need for an emergency bug out and you are an urban resident, how are you going to leave in time to avoid the traffic jam and gridlock that will surely occur? I am not being factitious; I am truly posing this question to this NG for discussion.

I will survive,

Gene

I had the same thought. I am going to rent a storage locker near my bug out site and keep my food storage/ammo storage/etc there and include my bicycle in my truck when heading for my 70 mile away bug out site. I could think of nothing else worse than sitting in that situation. My bug out site is a 12 acre mountain property with a partially completed cabin on it. Worse case I could walk to it in 2-3 days. Survive!

Gary

Hello...

As someone who has a slant on this issue, the first thing I urge you to do is stay current with factual, unbiased news sources. It is essential to see the writing on the wall before the sheep see it.

Have 2, 3, or perhaps 4 routes pre-planned and reconnoitered well in advance. Stay off the main highways and do not have your survival goodies visible in your vehicles. Never let your gas tank drop below half, and always keep the vehicle well-maintained.

Always carry at least three hundred dollars in (twenties?) small bills for any sudden purchases that may crop up. If you do need to get to your retreat due to civil unrest or a socio-economic upheavel; the 300.00 will buy quite a bit of canned veggies, top ramen soups, MRE's or whatever you might need more of. If you work in a large metro area and have your family in the burbs, prearrange what will transpire if the roles are reversed and the strife occurs in the burbs and not the city. Have a meeting place set up and pre-arrange what gear the burb dweller will bring.

If you have the luxory of having a bug-out retreat that is relatively safe, maintain 80% of your gear there...cleverly concealed in camouflaged rooms or cache's around the property. NEVER share your arrangements or survival plans to anyone who is not of our ilk.

If you have a location selected but do not own property there, make several trips to the area at various times through-out the year, so the locals get to recognize you and your vehicles. Get to know the local grocer, realtor, home construction laborers, and sporting goods store owner...these folks will probably be the most well-known in the town and the mere knowledge of names and occupations may get you through the highway blockades which are sure to spring up when the strife transpires.

Stay current in your 6 month dental appointments, stay current in tetanus and hepatitis precautions, first aid rtaining, CPR, skills related to fishing, firearms proficiency, food acquisition, and 'blending' with others who may not necessarily be your educational peers.

If your State has license plates that bear some indication of your community or county, you might want to consider going to a junk-yard and buying a set of the local plates. If you are bugging to a different State, ditto. Do not don a business suit if you are driving in a logging type environment. Wear a flannel shirt and an old baseball hat. You will look the part and avert nervous locals to more obvious strangers.

My friends, as one who has been prepared for a number of years, I feel we are on the brink of a re-structuring in our Country. I might recommend you look toward the Militia movement or any group that supports the second amendment.
Get to nkow others who believe in our American way of life and in selfreliance.
Be a good neighbor and an honest person. Give others the benefit of the doubt unless you factually know otherwise.
Just my two cents.

Vanished

Don't trust the Government. Don't trust Corruption.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; Food; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; bugout; survival; unrest
I'm posting this discussion from another forum from a few years ago here for discussion and to try to get people to make a few simple preparations for WTSHTS.

More discussion in depth can be found here: Emergency Preparedness

Take care. Stay Armed. Stay Safe.

TOWARD FREEDOM

1 posted on 08/14/2009 8:51:36 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: dcwusmc; A Navy Vet; Jim Robinson; Jeff Head

P I N G for discussion


2 posted on 08/14/2009 8:54:09 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member))
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To: Neil E. Wright

I like the way the post emphasizes the need for anonymity. You really dont want to stand out if you are bugging out.

The people who didnt prepare will focus on taking the stuff for the people who did. If that happens, chances are the prepared person may have to shoot the looter. No one wants to do that if it can be helped.

They also need to realize that if things are really bad, the only people you can trust are the immediate family members who are with you, and those friends who have prepared with you.

Weve given it some thought, and if this happens there are less than eight folks in our crew. The rest are strangers and will be treated as such.


3 posted on 08/14/2009 8:59:10 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Well i dcould bug out but I have decided to stay and fight.


4 posted on 08/14/2009 9:06:17 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Armedanddangerous

There won’t be just ONE looter to shoot. And you might be overrun before you are able to be loaded up and out.

Good plan is to convoy up to your bug out point with like minded friends. You may between you have several options to pick from and so you can change plans mid route if necessary or if a vehicle breaks down. You need to travel in a bigger group, a lone vehicle is going to be a breeze to ambush and snipe. You need more people working together manning different lookouts on the road, constantly scanning. Condition Orange all the way up.


5 posted on 08/14/2009 9:08:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

for later.


6 posted on 08/14/2009 9:12:25 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Ya know, we in the hurricane belt get annual bug out drills (although skills rapidly atrophy with a few quiet years). The other option, though, is to shelter in place. So there I was, stocking casa NVA with supplies, boarding up the windows, and wondering why the good old boys in their 4wd pickups with the mudder packages were just cruising around the neighborhood while the rest of us were busy preparing. Then it dawned on me ... they were preparing. I was doing their prep work for them. You're gosh darn right I need an assault rifle, maybe three.

And if the strife is in the burbs, no way I'd retreat to an urban setting. Better to go rural. And stock the travel-all with exotic liqueurs (for hot fudge Tuesday and remember your Kipling). /obscure

7 posted on 08/14/2009 9:12:57 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Why Does Obama Want Health Care in 4 Weeks When it Took Him 6 Months to Pick a Dog?)
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To: screaminsunshine

We’re not going anywhere. I’m not donating my household possessions to the locals.


8 posted on 08/14/2009 9:16:25 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Neil E. Wright

A dirt bike with an oversized gas tank would be a good thing to have.


9 posted on 08/14/2009 9:19:41 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: NonValueAdded

You could be my neighbor. Have lots of rounds, food, water containers, gasoline containers, generator, camping gear, 3 different locations to head to, know the roads without the need of a map, have a very well trained dog, wife and kids are good shots, and I can revert to sleeping like a cat again. I won’t be caught flat footed. Period. My government trained me well 25 years ago and I havent forgotten. If the poop hits the propeller, my wife and kids will be safe. Semper Fi.


10 posted on 08/14/2009 9:20:14 PM PDT by Texas resident ( Boys and Girls, it's us against them.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
>Have 2, 3, or perhaps 4 routes

I would add: ensure that at least one of your alternative routes is based on the possibility that you will be bugging out ON FOOT -- due to roads either (a) blocked/jammed or (b) being watched.

Which would also necessitate you having an alternative (and much smaller) set of bug-out items, as you'd have to carry everything on your back in this scenario.

Just something to think about -- something that many people forget about when doing their planning. You may not be able to just "jump in the Jeep and go."

11 posted on 08/14/2009 9:22:30 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Secret Agent Man
Bug outs come in many forms a hurricane bugout can be a matter of needing to travel hundreds of miles to get out of its way, where as a strong storm or tornado may just mean going down to your basement. There's no one plan that fits all. For me and mind for most everything that would effect us in our area we plan to sit tight, but I have given thought of preparing a fall back area. Think a small empty commercial building or even a storage locker/unit. Most long term storage facilities are very sturdily built, lots of security including a fair easy to secure perimeter. Most are out of the way and would have room to place your vechile out of site.
12 posted on 08/14/2009 9:23:54 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Texas resident

If the poop hits the rotary blades, we will need to establish enclaves of families helping to protect one another and plink the ‘zombies’.


13 posted on 08/14/2009 9:26:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: appleseed

Ping


14 posted on 08/14/2009 9:26:25 PM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I remain fairly convinced that the bug-out scenario is unworkable.

If “bug-out” time happens, the first (well maybe the third) guy on the road will be a geezer in a 64 Rambler that hasn’t had an oil change for the last eight years.

He’ll get a half mile and blow a rod and the road will be a parking lot.

So then you sit there - relatively exposed - surrounded by po’d, desperate people, screaming kids, people who are thirsty, their meds might be running out....

NOT a good plan, IMHO!!


15 posted on 08/14/2009 9:36:31 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I’ve given these scenarios some serious thought, and do have a crude bug-out plan in the works. Though sometimes I wonder about the involvement of the national guard in these scenarios. Most of the ‘Guard folks I know are red-blooded, freedom loving country folk, and I don’t know how many would be implicit in “rounding people up” or “watching the roads.”


16 posted on 08/14/2009 9:46:51 PM PDT by Karma Police (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!)
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To: Neil E. Wright; Travis McGee; hiredhand; Squantos; NFHale
Ive concluded that I wouldnt be able to decide what should be left at home [ I never have the right tool on hand], so I should prolly hunker down here in the sticks...

travis had a pretty good article on the bug out bag...

17 posted on 08/14/2009 9:59:30 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Luke 22:36...Trust in the Lord...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Neil E. Wright

The most powerful “weapon” in your arsenal should be your brain. Write down your plan, put your ego away, have your wife critique it, rewrite it, internalize it. Don’t wait until you see the signs (whether natural disaster or man-made). Act sooner rather than later. You can always make a U-turn and go home. Practice makes perfect. No practical plan will cover every contingency but having a plan is the way to train your brain to think your way out of most anything.


18 posted on 08/14/2009 10:00:35 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Armedanddangerous
Bugging out is the last option unless in a zone of peril.
I suspect that traveling 20 or 150 miles to your designated bug out area would be much more dangerous than staying home. When out on the road not only would your travels be likely stopped by police/military roadblocks who would confiscate everything you have, but also other people may be desperate to steal your transportation, arms, and provisions.

Staying at home is the safest position until one can thoroughly gather intelligence about travel routes. Be sure to provision your bug out location well in advance with survival gear, food, arms etc. Taking chances traveling with a truck load of provisions risks everything and puts one and their family in a potentially indefensible position. If a bug out is unavoidable, have a back pack equipped for a minimum of 3 days survival with a rifle and a sidearm and however much ammo you can comfortably carry. Good shoes for hiking. There are many variations of what people would want in a bug out bag. Just remember you are carrying it for survival, not comfort.

19 posted on 08/14/2009 10:01:58 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: Neil E. Wright
"If your State has license plates that bear some indication of your community or county, you might want to consider going to a junk-yard and buying a set of the local plates. If you are bugging to a different State, ditto. Do not don a business suit if you are driving in a logging type environment. Wear a flannel shirt and an old baseball hat. You will look the part and avert nervous locals to more obvious strangers."

That's a no-go, IMO. Residents of rural/frontier areas, their law enforcement agencies and National Guard units have been preparing for that possibility for some time--even with drills. Potential trespassers will be check-pointed, identified and dealt with quickly. Roads would be closed. If any would-be looters/squatters manage to get through to the private properties of residents, they'll see more trouble than if spotted sooner.


20 posted on 08/14/2009 10:01:58 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I kind of plan to shelter in place..I can’t imagine trying to get out of town during an emergancy; all Hell would break loose.


21 posted on 08/14/2009 10:08:40 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (It takes a viking to raze a village!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

And BTW, my reply was to the context of, “If you have a location selected but do not own property there,” from the posted thread from “Emergency Preparedness.”


22 posted on 08/14/2009 10:08:47 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: oyez
We’re not going anywhere. I’m not donating my household possessions to the locals.

Possessions can be replaced, the lives of you and your loved ones can't be.

23 posted on 08/14/2009 10:17:46 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

ping ping ping


24 posted on 08/14/2009 10:38:29 PM PDT by Wife of D
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To: o_zarkman44
I agree with you 100%, although having an alternative safe locale is not a bad idea.

Also if you don't already know your neighbors introduce yourself and try to associate with those who are like minded.

Work out a plan(guard duty, pooling resources and abilities/skills etc.) with them and keep it to yourselves(don't tell your other less desirable neighbors).

25 posted on 08/14/2009 11:06:00 PM PDT by SantosLHalper (I am the World that hides the Universal secret of All time.)
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To: Lurker
Hi Lurker,

Just thought you might want to update the "Emergency Preparedness" article.

26 posted on 08/14/2009 11:11:38 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member))
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To: Neil E. Wright

Hi Tried to go to link, & it is not working. Can you provide website? Is it Univ. of Nebr Kearney?


27 posted on 08/14/2009 11:11:45 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: bushwon
hmmmmm .... it works here, but here's the link:

http://www.homeland-defender.com/Article1.htm

And it's from our Homeland Defenders website www.homeland-defender.com

28 posted on 08/14/2009 11:17:03 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member))
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To: Neil E. Wright

Thanks, I was refering to this line:

another forum | n/a | UNK


29 posted on 08/14/2009 11:20:13 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
The freeways here in S-Hamptons have automatic iron bars to gridlock the entire freeway system.
The only recourse would be to have a quiet motorcycle and use the plethora of
back woods bike trails to get as far away as possible before they guard those also.

I still don't know for what reason they'll close off the freeway systems here.

30 posted on 08/14/2009 11:23:59 PM PDT by MaxMax (Will the real JIM THOMPSON please pick up the white phone)
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To: bushwon

Oh ... no I can’t remember the forum I snagged it from. It’s been in my computer for a LONG time. I posted the discussion here to get some input to help me (and maybe others) fine-tune contingency plans. Although I live in a “Ghost Town” I’m right on the border with the People’s Republic of Californica, so I’m creating several plans for when the SHTF, as I expect in the not too distant future.


31 posted on 08/14/2009 11:28:28 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member))
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To: familyop
Stay home and stay alive. All us small town hicks know exactly who lives in every house on every block. Outsiders will not be welcome, wanted, or tolerated.
I really have to laugh at these posts. I'm a retired AB Ranger. Ranch and farm raised and taught from childhood about growing and preserving our own food. 2.5 years of gunsmithing school and 30 years of shooting 1K yard comp. My home was built to defend. I know the exact distance of every blade of grass from my
“hides” out to 1K yards from my house. I own and regularly practice with night vision scopes. I have enough big dogs and geese around here that a fly couldn't sneak up on this place.
Have you ever discussed fields of fire with your neighbors? I have, many times. I live out in the sticks. We have had 2 different shots fired incidences out here in the last 10 years. It takes well over a half hour for the cops to get here even in an emergency. Every day I get out of bed is just another day I have the responsibility of defending myself and my family. 911 is a pipe dream out here. When the situation goes south I feel sorry for the city livers but stay away from me and mine. There is nothing here worth losing you life over. There are thousands of people out here who are just like we are. I will not be going anywhere or bothering anyone else. I suggest you play by those same rules. Stay home and stay alive.
32 posted on 08/14/2009 11:30:50 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: djf
He’ll get a half mile and blow a rod and the road will be a parking lot.

Just drive around the parking lot..or over it! Or take the wetlands detour.

33 posted on 08/14/2009 11:39:41 PM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash ?)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Survival
34 posted on 08/15/2009 12:17:11 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: Neil E. Wright
They can call you and others a "right-wing" militia fanatic. I know who you are and what your position is. You fight against the ever-encroaching Federal government. I know that you believe in limited Fedgov power and lean towards States' rights.

I have enjoyed your company on many occasions at conferences and handed out our pocket-Constitutions (how simple is that?). We and other patriots have shared the same Constitutional principles we both believe in during our time at VETSCOR.

You fight against the progressive/liberal/socialist, and worst of all, the Marxism ideology that is the obambi, reid, pelosi triad ideology. They think their time has come for their "progressive" ideals. YOU and I both know such efforts have not worked and will never work. See my new tag line below.

I APPLAUD you. I will make the drive out to AZ (an open carry state), and live or die by your leadership when push comes to shove. I'm expecting it within the next (2) years, providing the US populace doesn't correct things.

I can't believe what I'm seeing happening almost daily. I grew up with the PROMISE of America, even as a punk kid.

But now I'm seeing that such promise/opportunity has taken a back seat to "equal outcome" in some misguided feely-good attempt to create UTOPIA!

Shipmate, things are coming to a head. I'm scared for the future of our Republic and the future of our children. I truly hope I die before the Republic does.

35 posted on 08/15/2009 12:49:16 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are Regressive; Think Socialism Failures!)
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To: Neil E. Wright
Pretty much got it all. I have a years supply of Mountain food (water is still a question). I did so for natural and man-made disasters. WTSHTFan, we're kinda there.

My biggest concern is not how soon the water or food can get back on line, it's about how the inner city folks (bad AND good) will be heading towards our area for stuff. You know where I live. If a nuke went off tomorrow in Los Angeles, the survivors would span out towards suburban and country areas, and there's where we are as you know.

My SO thinks it's all BS, except for earthquake. Funny thing is, she has asked me to keep the 870 loaded. Hmmm...

36 posted on 08/15/2009 1:05:47 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Progressives are Regressive; Think Socialism Failures!)
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To: Neil E. Wright

It is probably mentioned somewhere, but keep your supply of prescription meds full and up to date. Might be a bummer if some of them have to be refrigerated, so think along that line also.


37 posted on 08/15/2009 5:32:12 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: A Navy Vet
"My biggest concern is not how soon the water or food can get back on line, it's about how the inner city folks (bad AND good) will be heading towards our area for stuff..."

Not going to happen. Traffic gridlock will be your best defense. After that simple human failure will take care of the rest. If recent history is any indication, the zombies won't make it past the city limits sign. The inner city types will expend themselves trashing and looting their immediate neighborhoods. They've been trained like dogs how to find food, booze, and welfare checks. They won't deviate from it. After that, they'll be too weak and incapacitated to form a zombie army to march on the hinterlands.
Those caught in traffic gridlock will be completely localized and quickly die off from lack of preparedness. Those attempting to walk out won't make five miles. A lifetime of electronic keyboards and television viewing from their couches will see to that.
Meanwhile, back in the inner city, booze, cigarettes, potato chips, soda pop, athletic shoes, clothing, and useless electronic goods will be scarfed up while food will be left to rot. In the initial frenzy, medical supplies, canned goods and bottled water will be completely ignored. Call that the fatal first misteps by the sheeple.
After few days, they'll turn submissive again as they gather around the municipal buildings and hold out their hands for scheduled welfare and social support payouts. After half a day of that, the booze and drugs will wear off. They'll realize nobody's home, and collapse in place. They won't have the knowledge needed to survive, and they'll be too weak by then to do anything about it even if they did. New Orleans during Katrina is your model. Three successive generations made dependent upon government largess. A cave man could do it, but those poor folks lost the knowlege needed to make fire. Didn't even have the wherewithall to collect rainwater to drink. Thirst, starvation, and ordinary sepsis will form the bulwark of your defenses.
38 posted on 08/15/2009 5:34:20 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (Will work for ammo.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

we dont plan to go anywhere if it gets bad. We will have a few selected folks coming to us.

The plan is to block the road, listen to our radios and the TV (IF it’s working) and wait it out.

There will be enough gunmen and women on hand to make looting a risky affair for close by white trash.


39 posted on 08/15/2009 10:37:01 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: A Navy Vet

buy some of the water bladders from cheaper than dirt and fill those if you think trouble is coming. Of course, theyre hard to carry, so Id say you should stay home WITH them.


40 posted on 08/15/2009 10:40:46 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Neil E. Wright
This article details the perils of "bugging out to a remote location". Biggest problems are: very limited travel payload, and unwillingness of residents to accept you. You're not going far if the roads are closed. Once you get there ahead of the hordes following you, those residents already there may/will be unwilling to accept you, even if it's your land (ex.: I lived in the country for about 10 years in a home my grandparents lived in for 35 - and when I left I was still a newcomer).

This article details the perils of creating a remote bunker. Biggest problem: people find & trash it, even if well hidden. Other stuff happens too while you're gone (ex.: my aforementioned country home, maintained at low temperature, suffered a faulty thermostat and dinged me a $400 heating bill before I caught it).

"Bugging out" is just a matter of getting away from wherever you are and getting somewhere safe, secure & provisioned - which best is wherever you call "home" on a daily basis. If "home" isn't good enough for long-term survival, move. My bug-out theory is either (A) I'll have to walk home, taking up to 3 days, due to abrupt societal breakdown, or (B) family has to vacate home on short notice with up to 3 days to work things out, but on the whole society is intact. SHTF we can deal with by "bugging out". TEOTWAWKI is a bad time to start over with what little you can carry and what little is left of your now-occupied, looted, or incinerated remote bunker.

41 posted on 08/15/2009 1:48:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Move out of densely populated, indefensible neighborhoods BEFORE the crisis. Move to a sparsely populated, defensible location. Then when a crisis occurs, you probably won’t have to bug out. “An ounce of prevention...”


42 posted on 08/15/2009 2:00:42 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: screaminsunshine
Well i could bug out but I have decided to stay and fight.

Well yes, but if you are in danger of being over-run by superior numbers or being burned out by people throwing gasoline bombs or whatever, you may want the option of being able to abandon your position to live to fight again later.

In that case, having a bug out bag and/or other bug out bags with food, sanitation and first aid supplies, a change of clothes and whatever else you can add to it in the way of weapons and reloads cached a distance away from your area that you can make your way to would come in handy.

43 posted on 08/16/2009 7:21:28 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash...)
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To: ctdonath2
Thanks for the links, but clicking on the second one I get a logon screen. Hope it's ok if I copy and repost the first one here? (Very good points). Avoiding bugging out:

One core tenet of the Survival and Preparation (S&P) culture that is often misunderstood, misapplied and has a high probability of failing, and that is “the bug-out”. I am prompted to write this after reading so many S&P-related books, blogs and forums where individuals are indicating that their primary plan, and the focus of their preparations, is bugging-out. The common discussion topics of bug-out vehicles (BOV), bug-out bags (BOB), bug-out land, etc, and the overall S&P lexicon confirm the importance placed on the bug-out concept. Although well organized and executed, a 1,600 mile bug-out is portrayed by some of “The Group” in the novel "Patriots".

Don’t misunderstand, bugging-out does have a role in S&P: if your residence becomes completely uninhabitable, for any number of reasons (earthquake, radiation, toxins, fire, destruction, war, etc.), then relocation is mandatory. In these cases, being prepared to mobilize and relocate yourself, your family, and some resources is vitally important. Such situations force the prepper to implement Plan B. The problems with bugging-out are both numerous and severe, and are to be avoided or countered, if possible:

Only a small, finite quantity of supplies can be transported Dependency on replenishing supplies is created
A good place to relocate may not be found or actually available even if prearranged.
It may not be possible to travel (impassable roads, vehicle failure)
You may not be welcomed by the residents of where you relocate or in the territory that you pass through
An operational BOV creates an attractive target if it appears to be transporting anything of value and due to the minimal security that can be provided
It has been well established by this blog and many S&P de facto leaders that outside of a few specific circumstances, the primary plan, Plan A, should always be to bug-in. Staying at your primary home has many advantages:

More food/fuel/shelter resources can be available The facility can be better maintained due to your frequent access
Better established social connections and greater access to shared resources
Less need for transportation and transportation fuel Avoids health and safety risks associated with travel Higher levels of security are possible

The problem arises when lack of adequate, fundamental preparation results in the need to bug-out, when it otherwise could have been avoided. In other words, Plan A (bugging-in at your primary home) must be abandoned unnecessarily and prematurely, and Plan B (the secondary and far worse choice) becomes the only option, due to the prepper’s own actions or inactions.

People frequently write about how their urban home would be unsustainable, over-ran, or likely destroyed in many potential scenarios. Therefore their preps focus on bugging-out. When times are good and relative tranquility prevails, there are many attractions to an urban lifestyle, with job availability at the top of the list. Recognizing the added risk and difficulty of post-SHTF survival in the urban setting, preppers often abandon bug-in preparations, relegating themselves to bugging-out. Different life choices, such as small town or rural living, or taking extraordinary efforts to prepare their urban home, increase the viability of Plan A. For me and many others, the post-SHTF advantages of rural life are secondary to the quality of life enjoyed in these slower-paced environs.

The math doesn’t support bugging-out. If one assumes that there are 305 million Americans and about 2.3 billion acres within the US, it sounds promising that there are 7.4 acres available to each American to which to bug-out. So a family of four should get almost 30 acres, right? Taking a closer look, inhospitable open cultivated farmland, open pasture, desert, wet lands, and bodies of water can largely be eliminated as places to which to relocate. Although these places could be inhabited, they are less attractive than “heading for the hills” as is often cited as the bug-out plan. What about the nation’s forests? There are about 747 million acres of forest that appear to be available for relocation. Data suggest there are 50 million “rural” Americans, and 255 million “urban” Americans. So we have some part of 255 million people that currently reside in about 60 million urban acres, looking to relocate on something like 757 million forested acres, which is about 3 acres per refugee. Not only is this not much space in which to live and forage, but:

There will be great demand for suitable locations close to urban centers
Space will not be assigned, so there will be competition for choice space
In a hunting-gathering mode, refugees will be forced to cover a wide area (hundreds of acres) in search of sustenance
Rural folks already are there, feel (and have legal) ownership, and are willing to protect their Plan A bug-in position
In conclusion, I advise that one of two actions be taken to reduce the need for depending on a bug-out strategy:

Commit to and prepare for bugging-in, regardless of your current residency. Fortify your home, stock up on supplies there, and implement countermeasures to unique urban challenges. “Improvise, adapt, overcome” as necessary. Relocate to a place where bugging-in can be more practically implemented in as many scenarios as possible.

44 posted on 08/16/2009 7:32:16 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash...)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

I never leave the house without an edge.


45 posted on 08/16/2009 7:37:05 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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