Just drive around the parking lot..or over it! Or take the wetlands detour.
Posted on 08/14/2009 8:51:27 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
National Guard forced all people out of their grid locked vehicles and put them onto buses which took them to the airport for transport. Gone were all the survival goods that the family had packed. Granted, they were not survivalists and only packed family mementos, but if they had, the survival goods would have been forced to be left behind in the car. The National Guard were armed and ready to shoot if the people did not comply. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
If there is a need for an emergency bug out and you are an urban resident, how are you going to leave in time to avoid the traffic jam and gridlock that will surely occur? I am not being factitious; I am truly posing this question to this NG for discussion.
I will survive,
Gene
I had the same thought. I am going to rent a storage locker near my bug out site and keep my food storage/ammo storage/etc there and include my bicycle in my truck when heading for my 70 mile away bug out site. I could think of nothing else worse than sitting in that situation. My bug out site is a 12 acre mountain property with a partially completed cabin on it. Worse case I could walk to it in 2-3 days. Survive!
Gary
Hello...
As someone who has a slant on this issue, the first thing I urge you to do is stay current with factual, unbiased news sources. It is essential to see the writing on the wall before the sheep see it.
Have 2, 3, or perhaps 4 routes pre-planned and reconnoitered well in advance. Stay off the main highways and do not have your survival goodies visible in your vehicles. Never let your gas tank drop below half, and always keep the vehicle well-maintained.
Always carry at least three hundred dollars in (twenties?) small bills for any sudden purchases that may crop up. If you do need to get to your retreat due to civil unrest or a socio-economic upheavel; the 300.00 will buy quite a bit of canned veggies, top ramen soups, MRE's or whatever you might need more of. If you work in a large metro area and have your family in the burbs, prearrange what will transpire if the roles are reversed and the strife occurs in the burbs and not the city. Have a meeting place set up and pre-arrange what gear the burb dweller will bring.
If you have the luxory of having a bug-out retreat that is relatively safe, maintain 80% of your gear there...cleverly concealed in camouflaged rooms or cache's around the property. NEVER share your arrangements or survival plans to anyone who is not of our ilk.
If you have a location selected but do not own property there, make several trips to the area at various times through-out the year, so the locals get to recognize you and your vehicles. Get to know the local grocer, realtor, home construction laborers, and sporting goods store owner...these folks will probably be the most well-known in the town and the mere knowledge of names and occupations may get you through the highway blockades which are sure to spring up when the strife transpires.
Stay current in your 6 month dental appointments, stay current in tetanus and hepatitis precautions, first aid rtaining, CPR, skills related to fishing, firearms proficiency, food acquisition, and 'blending' with others who may not necessarily be your educational peers.
If your State has license plates that bear some indication of your community or county, you might want to consider going to a junk-yard and buying a set of the local plates. If you are bugging to a different State, ditto. Do not don a business suit if you are driving in a logging type environment. Wear a flannel shirt and an old baseball hat. You will look the part and avert nervous locals to more obvious strangers.
My friends, as one who has been prepared for a number of years, I feel we are on the brink of a re-structuring in our Country. I might recommend you look toward the Militia movement or any group that supports the second amendment.
Get to nkow others who believe in our American way of life and in selfreliance.
Be a good neighbor and an honest person. Give others the benefit of the doubt unless you factually know otherwise.
Just my two cents.
Vanished
Don't trust the Government. Don't trust Corruption.
More discussion in depth can be found here: Emergency Preparedness
Take care. Stay Armed. Stay Safe.
TOWARD FREEDOM
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I like the way the post emphasizes the need for anonymity. You really dont want to stand out if you are bugging out.
The people who didnt prepare will focus on taking the stuff for the people who did. If that happens, chances are the prepared person may have to shoot the looter. No one wants to do that if it can be helped.
They also need to realize that if things are really bad, the only people you can trust are the immediate family members who are with you, and those friends who have prepared with you.
Weve given it some thought, and if this happens there are less than eight folks in our crew. The rest are strangers and will be treated as such.
Well i dcould bug out but I have decided to stay and fight.
There won’t be just ONE looter to shoot. And you might be overrun before you are able to be loaded up and out.
Good plan is to convoy up to your bug out point with like minded friends. You may between you have several options to pick from and so you can change plans mid route if necessary or if a vehicle breaks down. You need to travel in a bigger group, a lone vehicle is going to be a breeze to ambush and snipe. You need more people working together manning different lookouts on the road, constantly scanning. Condition Orange all the way up.
for later.
And if the strife is in the burbs, no way I'd retreat to an urban setting. Better to go rural. And stock the travel-all with exotic liqueurs (for hot fudge Tuesday and remember your Kipling). /obscure
We’re not going anywhere. I’m not donating my household possessions to the locals.
A dirt bike with an oversized gas tank would be a good thing to have.
You could be my neighbor. Have lots of rounds, food, water containers, gasoline containers, generator, camping gear, 3 different locations to head to, know the roads without the need of a map, have a very well trained dog, wife and kids are good shots, and I can revert to sleeping like a cat again. I won’t be caught flat footed. Period. My government trained me well 25 years ago and I havent forgotten. If the poop hits the propeller, my wife and kids will be safe. Semper Fi.
I would add: ensure that at least one of your alternative routes is based on the possibility that you will be bugging out ON FOOT -- due to roads either (a) blocked/jammed or (b) being watched.
Which would also necessitate you having an alternative (and much smaller) set of bug-out items, as you'd have to carry everything on your back in this scenario.
Just something to think about -- something that many people forget about when doing their planning. You may not be able to just "jump in the Jeep and go."
If the poop hits the rotary blades, we will need to establish enclaves of families helping to protect one another and plink the ‘zombies’.
Ping
I remain fairly convinced that the bug-out scenario is unworkable.
If “bug-out” time happens, the first (well maybe the third) guy on the road will be a geezer in a 64 Rambler that hasn’t had an oil change for the last eight years.
He’ll get a half mile and blow a rod and the road will be a parking lot.
So then you sit there - relatively exposed - surrounded by po’d, desperate people, screaming kids, people who are thirsty, their meds might be running out....
NOT a good plan, IMHO!!
I’ve given these scenarios some serious thought, and do have a crude bug-out plan in the works. Though sometimes I wonder about the involvement of the national guard in these scenarios. Most of the ‘Guard folks I know are red-blooded, freedom loving country folk, and I don’t know how many would be implicit in “rounding people up” or “watching the roads.”
travis had a pretty good article on the bug out bag...
The most powerful “weapon” in your arsenal should be your brain. Write down your plan, put your ego away, have your wife critique it, rewrite it, internalize it. Don’t wait until you see the signs (whether natural disaster or man-made). Act sooner rather than later. You can always make a U-turn and go home. Practice makes perfect. No practical plan will cover every contingency but having a plan is the way to train your brain to think your way out of most anything.
Staying at home is the safest position until one can thoroughly gather intelligence about travel routes. Be sure to provision your bug out location well in advance with survival gear, food, arms etc. Taking chances traveling with a truck load of provisions risks everything and puts one and their family in a potentially indefensible position. If a bug out is unavoidable, have a back pack equipped for a minimum of 3 days survival with a rifle and a sidearm and however much ammo you can comfortably carry. Good shoes for hiking. There are many variations of what people would want in a bug out bag. Just remember you are carrying it for survival, not comfort.
I kind of plan to shelter in place..I can’t imagine trying to get out of town during an emergancy; all Hell would break loose.
And BTW, my reply was to the context of, “If you have a location selected but do not own property there,” from the posted thread from “Emergency Preparedness.”
Possessions can be replaced, the lives of you and your loved ones can't be.
ping ping ping
Also if you don't already know your neighbors introduce yourself and try to associate with those who are like minded.
Work out a plan(guard duty, pooling resources and abilities/skills etc.) with them and keep it to yourselves(don't tell your other less desirable neighbors).
Just thought you might want to update the "Emergency Preparedness" article.
Hi Tried to go to link, & it is not working. Can you provide website? Is it Univ. of Nebr Kearney?
http://www.homeland-defender.com/Article1.htm
And it's from our Homeland Defenders website www.homeland-defender.com
Thanks, I was refering to this line:
another forum | n/a | UNK
I still don't know for what reason they'll close off the freeway systems here.
Oh ... no I can’t remember the forum I snagged it from. It’s been in my computer for a LONG time. I posted the discussion here to get some input to help me (and maybe others) fine-tune contingency plans. Although I live in a “Ghost Town” I’m right on the border with the People’s Republic of Californica, so I’m creating several plans for when the SHTF, as I expect in the not too distant future.
Just drive around the parking lot..or over it! Or take the wetlands detour.
I have enjoyed your company on many occasions at conferences and handed out our pocket-Constitutions (how simple is that?). We and other patriots have shared the same Constitutional principles we both believe in during our time at VETSCOR.
You fight against the progressive/liberal/socialist, and worst of all, the Marxism ideology that is the obambi, reid, pelosi triad ideology. They think their time has come for their "progressive" ideals. YOU and I both know such efforts have not worked and will never work. See my new tag line below.
I APPLAUD you. I will make the drive out to AZ (an open carry state), and live or die by your leadership when push comes to shove. I'm expecting it within the next (2) years, providing the US populace doesn't correct things.
I can't believe what I'm seeing happening almost daily. I grew up with the PROMISE of America, even as a punk kid.
But now I'm seeing that such promise/opportunity has taken a back seat to "equal outcome" in some misguided feely-good attempt to create UTOPIA!
Shipmate, things are coming to a head. I'm scared for the future of our Republic and the future of our children. I truly hope I die before the Republic does.
My biggest concern is not how soon the water or food can get back on line, it's about how the inner city folks (bad AND good) will be heading towards our area for stuff. You know where I live. If a nuke went off tomorrow in Los Angeles, the survivors would span out towards suburban and country areas, and there's where we are as you know.
My SO thinks it's all BS, except for earthquake. Funny thing is, she has asked me to keep the 870 loaded. Hmmm...
It is probably mentioned somewhere, but keep your supply of prescription meds full and up to date. Might be a bummer if some of them have to be refrigerated, so think along that line also.
we dont plan to go anywhere if it gets bad. We will have a few selected folks coming to us.
The plan is to block the road, listen to our radios and the TV (IF it’s working) and wait it out.
There will be enough gunmen and women on hand to make looting a risky affair for close by white trash.
buy some of the water bladders from cheaper than dirt and fill those if you think trouble is coming. Of course, theyre hard to carry, so Id say you should stay home WITH them.
This article details the perils of creating a remote bunker. Biggest problem: people find & trash it, even if well hidden. Other stuff happens too while you're gone (ex.: my aforementioned country home, maintained at low temperature, suffered a faulty thermostat and dinged me a $400 heating bill before I caught it).
"Bugging out" is just a matter of getting away from wherever you are and getting somewhere safe, secure & provisioned - which best is wherever you call "home" on a daily basis. If "home" isn't good enough for long-term survival, move. My bug-out theory is either (A) I'll have to walk home, taking up to 3 days, due to abrupt societal breakdown, or (B) family has to vacate home on short notice with up to 3 days to work things out, but on the whole society is intact. SHTF we can deal with by "bugging out". TEOTWAWKI is a bad time to start over with what little you can carry and what little is left of your now-occupied, looted, or incinerated remote bunker.
Move out of densely populated, indefensible neighborhoods BEFORE the crisis. Move to a sparsely populated, defensible location. Then when a crisis occurs, you probably won’t have to bug out. “An ounce of prevention...”
Well yes, but if you are in danger of being over-run by superior numbers or being burned out by people throwing gasoline bombs or whatever, you may want the option of being able to abandon your position to live to fight again later.
In that case, having a bug out bag and/or other bug out bags with food, sanitation and first aid supplies, a change of clothes and whatever else you can add to it in the way of weapons and reloads cached a distance away from your area that you can make your way to would come in handy.
One core tenet of the Survival and Preparation (S&P) culture that is often misunderstood, misapplied and has a high probability of failing, and that is “the bug-out”. I am prompted to write this after reading so many S&P-related books, blogs and forums where individuals are indicating that their primary plan, and the focus of their preparations, is bugging-out. The common discussion topics of bug-out vehicles (BOV), bug-out bags (BOB), bug-out land, etc, and the overall S&P lexicon confirm the importance placed on the bug-out concept. Although well organized and executed, a 1,600 mile bug-out is portrayed by some of “The Group” in the novel "Patriots".
Don’t misunderstand, bugging-out does have a role in S&P: if your residence becomes completely uninhabitable, for any number of reasons (earthquake, radiation, toxins, fire, destruction, war, etc.), then relocation is mandatory. In these cases, being prepared to mobilize and relocate yourself, your family, and some resources is vitally important. Such situations force the prepper to implement Plan B. The problems with bugging-out are both numerous and severe, and are to be avoided or countered, if possible:
Only a small, finite quantity of supplies can be transported Dependency on replenishing supplies is created
A good place to relocate may not be found or actually available even if prearranged.
It may not be possible to travel (impassable roads, vehicle failure)
You may not be welcomed by the residents of where you relocate or in the territory that you pass through
An operational BOV creates an attractive target if it appears to be transporting anything of value and due to the minimal security that can be provided
It has been well established by this blog and many S&P de facto leaders that outside of a few specific circumstances, the primary plan, Plan A, should always be to bug-in. Staying at your primary home has many advantages:
More food/fuel/shelter resources can be available The facility can be better maintained due to your frequent access
Better established social connections and greater access to shared resources
Less need for transportation and transportation fuel Avoids health and safety risks associated with travel Higher levels of security are possible
The problem arises when lack of adequate, fundamental preparation results in the need to bug-out, when it otherwise could have been avoided. In other words, Plan A (bugging-in at your primary home) must be abandoned unnecessarily and prematurely, and Plan B (the secondary and far worse choice) becomes the only option, due to the prepper’s own actions or inactions.
People frequently write about how their urban home would be unsustainable, over-ran, or likely destroyed in many potential scenarios. Therefore their preps focus on bugging-out. When times are good and relative tranquility prevails, there are many attractions to an urban lifestyle, with job availability at the top of the list. Recognizing the added risk and difficulty of post-SHTF survival in the urban setting, preppers often abandon bug-in preparations, relegating themselves to bugging-out. Different life choices, such as small town or rural living, or taking extraordinary efforts to prepare their urban home, increase the viability of Plan A. For me and many others, the post-SHTF advantages of rural life are secondary to the quality of life enjoyed in these slower-paced environs.
The math doesn’t support bugging-out. If one assumes that there are 305 million Americans and about 2.3 billion acres within the US, it sounds promising that there are 7.4 acres available to each American to which to bug-out. So a family of four should get almost 30 acres, right? Taking a closer look, inhospitable open cultivated farmland, open pasture, desert, wet lands, and bodies of water can largely be eliminated as places to which to relocate. Although these places could be inhabited, they are less attractive than “heading for the hills” as is often cited as the bug-out plan. What about the nation’s forests? There are about 747 million acres of forest that appear to be available for relocation. Data suggest there are 50 million “rural” Americans, and 255 million “urban” Americans. So we have some part of 255 million people that currently reside in about 60 million urban acres, looking to relocate on something like 757 million forested acres, which is about 3 acres per refugee. Not only is this not much space in which to live and forage, but:
There will be great demand for suitable locations close to urban centers
Space will not be assigned, so there will be competition for choice space
In a hunting-gathering mode, refugees will be forced to cover a wide area (hundreds of acres) in search of sustenance
Rural folks already are there, feel (and have legal) ownership, and are willing to protect their Plan A bug-in position
In conclusion, I advise that one of two actions be taken to reduce the need for depending on a bug-out strategy:
Commit to and prepare for bugging-in, regardless of your current residency. Fortify your home, stock up on supplies there, and implement countermeasures to unique urban challenges. “Improvise, adapt, overcome” as necessary. Relocate to a place where bugging-in can be more practically implemented in as many scenarios as possible.
I never leave the house without an edge.
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