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Obama-Alinsky goons coming to a Catholic Church near you!
Red Dirt Report ^ | 08/18/09 | Red Dirt Report

Posted on 08/18/2009 11:18:21 AM PDT by oklahomaconservative

http://www.reddirtreport.com/news.php?id=12076

OKLAHOMA CITY – The flyer is simple but informative. “Community Organizing at St. Charles.” Sounds innocuous enough. But upon closer inspection, it appears to be further attempts by ACORN-esque organizers to infiltrate well-meaning parishioners in the Catholic Church in the Oklahoma City area, among other places.

The flyer reads: “Come to a special training in community organizing for Catholic parishes, presented by Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee and hosted by Our Lady of Perpetual Help parish.”

Not much could be found about the Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee, other than a Grace Presbyterian Church flyer online that notes that “the OSC is a congregation-based community action group that equips churches to better meet the needs of their communities through training and support.”

It also said seven Catholic churches are part of 27 churches in Oklahoma City that are getting involved with this community-organizing activity.

The corrupt group ACORN, which had been active in Oklahoma City until late last summer, is believed to be connected to this action considering it’s past links, as noted in this 2003 National Housing Institute article. Red Dirt Report was given an exclusive peek into a recently-abandoned ACORN office in south Oklahoma City last October. That report can be found here.

The event, scheduled August 8 from 9 a.m. until 4 p.m. is not being held at St. Charles Borromeo, rather at Our Lady of Perpetual Help in their Connor Center at 32nd and Western.

Among items on the “program” at this “community organizing” event, includes “interactive community organizing training based on the first five chapters of Nehemiah with attention to the concepts of subsidiarity and solidarity, by Kris Ausdenmoore, lead organizer, Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee.”

Ausdenmoore, it turns out, according to a 2008 article in the Sooner Catholic, was the lead organizer for the Oklahoma IAF. IAF stands for Industrial Areas Foundation. They are located throughout the United States and have chapters in Canada, England and Germany, according to www.industrialareasfoundation.org. And they deal with not only Christians but Muslims, Jews and others as well.

“The leaders and organizers of the Industrial Areas Foundation build organizations whose primary purpose is POWER – the ability to act – and whose chief product is social change. They continue to practice what the Founding Fathers preached; the ongoing attempt to make life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness everyday realities for more and more Americans.”

IAF is pushing socialistic political ideas like the “living wage movement” in the United States, according to their website. And when they ask themselves why they do what they do, they respond, in part: “We do it because we are angry.” Boiled down, they are angry that life is not fair and more must be done to make it fair, whatever it takes. This is not much different from the liberation theology movement that swept Latin America and radical Catholic churches in North America more than 30 years ago.

It also notes there will be a potluck lunch, “focused house meeting training,” and don’t forget your Bible.

Alerting the masses to this Marxist organizing activity was popular afternoon radio talk show host Mark Shannon on KTOK AM 1000 in Oklahoma City.

“This is nothing more than a scam for Saul Alinsky, Barack Obama’s Marxist mentor. And to the churches, shame on you,” Shannon said.

And this is true. Obama, the community organizer, was a great admirer of Rules for Radicals author and activist Alinsky, who died in 1972. Charles Beggs, who writes for the Tulsa Beacon, wrote in April in an article called “The Wolves Are At the Door,” that IAF has “disavowed some of Alinsky’s more extreme views” but also split churches in the process “seek(ing) to work within unsuspecting Catholic and Protestant congregations, and among other constituencies, to further a decidedly liberal agenda.”

Callers to his show Tuesday afternoon were equally concerned. One caller noted that this is nothing but a government attempt to further Obamanize the churches by forming “brownshirt” groups and advance leftist and socialistic ideas, including redistribution of wealth.

Another caller said he was fed up with Oklahoma City Archbishop Eusebius Beltran because he is a poor leader and Catholics who have concerns about radical leftists making inroads in their churches are ignored.

Shannon tended to agree and chided the churches that are getting involved with this activity, calling on listeners to “infiltrate the meeting” and “tape record the meetings” and send them to him afterward.

These community organizers, Shannon said, are “bad, bad news. We don’t want them in Oklahoma City.”

Further research led Red Dirt Report to the website of St. Charles Borromeo Catholic Church, which goes into more detail about the “Community Organizing at St. Charles.”

The website says they are involved in community organizing by quoting Pope Benedict 16th and the late Pope John Paul II and noting that they are looking out for the “common good.”

“In September (community organizers) will conduct a parish information campaign. The object of this campaign will not be to GIVE information to parishioners. It will be to HEAR the concerns of our parishioners and to lean abou the pressures facing our families and individuals as citizens in the metropolitan area.”

With that in mind, Red Dirt Report hopes to attend the Saturday organizing event and will report more in the coming days.


TOPICS: Religion
KEYWORDS: aclumia; agenda; antichristian; bhocira; bhoillegals; catholic; churchandstate; obamaalinsky; oklahoma; religiousleft; starkravingsocialism

1 posted on 08/18/2009 11:18:22 AM PDT by oklahomaconservative
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To: oklahomaconservative
Just think what Obamacare will do to Catholic Hospitals....something no one is talking about... Separation of Church and Health Care
2 posted on 08/18/2009 11:22:19 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: oklahomaconservative

Another group that’s forgotten “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods”.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 11:25:57 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: oklahomaconservative

Go to the parish priest and complain.

Go to the Bishop and complain.

Educate them.

Let them know that they are being used!

I was a sponsor at an RCIA meeting once, where the talk was way too tilted to “social justice” SOCIALISM, and I argued with the Priest, and told him he was wrong.

I talked about “Subsidiarity” and explained that charity must be voluntary, and that individual responsibility should be encouraged, and that the true teaching of the Church was that the social unit closest to the problem, and most able to address the problem should be in charge of the problem


4 posted on 08/18/2009 11:26:39 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: oklahomaconservative; wagglebee
But upon closer inspection, it appears to be further attempts by ACORN-esque organizers to infiltrate well-meaning parishioners in the Catholic Church in the Oklahoma City area, among other places. The flyer reads: “Come to a special training in community organizing for Catholic parishes, presented by Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee and hosted by Our Lady of Perpetual Help parish.”

A nice encroachment by the State (or activists on behalf of Statism) on the Church. The ACLU must be out of town that day.

5 posted on 08/18/2009 11:27:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: oklahomaconservative

Hope they’re dumb enough to try this in Denver!

I will continue to make time to oppose the spread of “liberation theology” wherever it shows up!
We will NOT stand for the anti-Life crowd pretending that giving everybody an insurance card is a sign of compassion!


6 posted on 08/18/2009 11:28:56 AM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: Kansas58
I talked about “Subsidiarity” and explained that charity must be voluntary, and that individual responsibility should be encouraged, and that the true teaching of the Church was that the social unit closest to the problem, and most able to address the problem should be in charge of the problem

Thanks for the term. I didn't know the Catholic Church regarded this concept as applicable doctrine. What did the Priest reply to you?

7 posted on 08/18/2009 11:30:38 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: oklahomaconservative
Obamabots......hosted by Our Lady of Perpetual Help.....

You can't make this stuff up.

8 posted on 08/18/2009 11:32:36 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Extreme right-winged mob terrorist astroturfing bitter clinging racist birther evilmongering wingnut)
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To: G Larry

You should thank God every day that your archdiocese has been blessed with Archbishop Charles Chaput. I was in Denver for a Bible conference at St. Thomas More Church in June. The vibrancy of the Catholic Church in Denver is amazing and inspiring.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 11:35:49 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: Talisker

The Priest was clueless.
He admitted that Subsidiarity was still doctrine, yet he did not understand how his support for outright socialism, and his advocacy of “social justice” was not in keeping with the doctrine of Subsidiarity.

I later mailed him a bunch of Catholic literature in support of my view that it is “impossible to be, at the same time, a true Catholic and a Socialist”


10 posted on 08/18/2009 11:37:00 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
The Priest was clueless. He admitted that Subsidiarity was still doctrine, yet he did not understand how his support for outright socialism, and his advocacy of “social justice” was not in keeping with the doctrine of Subsidiarity.

LOL. That "voluntary" thing really gets them, don't it? They love the "let's all work together" shtick, because they think it morally justifies their total dominating control of everyone. But if you agree to the flowers and candy and rainbows and chocolate, yet add in that one word - voluntary - they act like you hit them in the head with a 2x4.

IMO, their response reveals their true intentions. Liberals get confused, because they're focused on all the goodies like the useful idiots they really are. But Leftists get pissed, because you've revealed the totalitarian behind the curtain.

11 posted on 08/18/2009 11:44:43 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: oklahomaconservative

The 911 terrorists had associations with OU. Nick Berg, the guy who was beheaded was from OU and let’s not foget his father is with MoveOn.org and ANSWER. And then there was the suicide bomber who blew himself up outside the OU stadium. Anyone not surprised these “community organizers” have targeted Oklahoma City?


12 posted on 08/18/2009 12:29:56 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: oklahomaconservative

Mark couldn’t have said this today, Tuesday. He doesn’t even come on until 5 CDT.


13 posted on 08/18/2009 12:30:19 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("When you strike one American, you strike us all" ( President George W. Bush))
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To: Talisker

Good post..........


14 posted on 08/18/2009 12:35:59 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Did you notice when the meeting was?

Aug. 8th........

15 posted on 08/18/2009 12:37:16 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A community organizer cannot bitch when communities organize..... - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Talisker

The best action is to tell the clergy involved from parish priest to bishop that you will a) not be giving money to the Catholic Church, b) will encourage others not to give to the church, c) call those who advertise in the church’s publications that they will no longer be favored with your money, d) that you change your will to remove any donation to the church, and e) (optional) you will let the Vatican know the above.

Money talks with the Catholic church and you know everything else walks.


16 posted on 08/18/2009 12:37:19 PM PDT by pikachu (Be alert! We need more lerts!)
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To: oklahomaconservative; All
 


17 posted on 08/18/2009 12:53:39 PM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: backhoe

Hi all,
I received a tip from someone who goes to St. Eugene in Oklahoma City. She explained to me that her church was going to follow the course of other churches in the area and that she needs help figuring out what to do.

In terms of Mark Shannon, the material mentioned in the article and much more are posted on his own blog.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 8:11:32 PM PDT by oklahomaconservative
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To: oklahomaconservative
Catholics should not be listening to Mark Shannon or aligning themselves with him. He apparently stated on air after hanging up on a priest that the church condoned pedophiles, and last Thursday or Friday he called people receiving welfare “parasites”. (Jesus would've called them human beings.) He also said that children living in homes receiving government assistance should be removed and placed in “orphanages” or up for adoption. Does he not know that 85.5% of Oklahoma City school children live in poverty? (That's according to a 2/2009 report from Sandy Garrett.) So let's get this straight - the government shouldn't be trusted with health care, but we can have them raise people's kids?

And then suggesting that people with-old their tithe - that would be called “extortion” - and the Catechism has a little bit about that, too. He's an embarassment to conservatives like myself.

Oklahomaconservative got it right with “the social unit closest to the problem, and most able to address the problem should be in charge of the problem”. Who's closer to the problem than your church community? That's what the Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee is doing - each church is going to have as many of its members as possible meeting in small groups to talk about pressures their families face. Then, we'll all come together, find a common theme, figure out what we can do and then act. It's called citizenship, and we only intend on tackling LOCAL ISSUES. This isn't like ACORN that (from what I can tell) pushes a national agenda - we only intend on covering local issues that we as Oklahomans decide for ourselves.

It's quite unlikely you'll see us push for more taxes or bigger government because most Oklahomans don't want that.

As far as the IAF is concerned, we've essentially hired them as consultants to train us. The IAF founder, Saul Alinsky, was pretty radical, but he's been dead for 35+ years and the organization was reshaped after his passing. The IAF works with churches all over the U.S. and you'll only find positive stories if you look at their affiliate sites.

I hope this is helpful in explaining what's going on.

19 posted on 08/19/2009 10:23:54 PM PDT by AnotherConcernedCatholic
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To: oklahomaconservative
This applies!!!

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel;
for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing
if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
whose end shall be according to their works.

20 posted on 08/19/2009 10:25:40 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: oklahomaconservative

There is a "Right to Life",

and they're attacking that, saying "We can't afford it!"

HOW DARE THEY!!!!

21 posted on 08/19/2009 10:26:26 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: AnotherConcernedCatholic

One cannot ignore the purpose of the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF) - which is to spread Fabian socialism throughout the world.

Socialist/Communist organizations like the Saul Alinsky’s IAF, ACORN, et Al. would have bighearted citizens believe that they will, as the Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee says, “improve the lives of individuals and families by holding public officials accountable to the needs of families.”

HINT: These “public officials” are government. One does NOT have to look hard to see the results when government cares for the needy. I could point to Cuba and Venezuela for examples - but I point an accusing finger at our government welfare programs, which have created a sad class of broken families and fatherless children. The liberals have created a new class of slave addicted to the government dole.

This class is also targeted “expendable” by socialist organizations - for example, the ACORN employees, when they were caught extorting, committing voter fraud, trafficking underage illegal-alien children into prostitution, counseling others how to break laws, and setting up houses of prostitution in our neighborhoods. The IAF and ACORN are connected, as are the Tides Foundation, etc.

IS THE IAF whom you wish to hire as a consultant? I recommend not regurgitating their own propaganda - even ‘Wikipedia’ calls the IAF socialist. Do a Google search and an open-eyed look at what you have crawled into bed with (i.e. the IAF).

The IAF is evil. That is WHY Catholics are upset - and confused regarding why our Archbishop has remained dumb/mute regarding any direction for dealing with these socialist/communist quasi “community organizers.” Their idea of community organization is NOT Catholic - Yes, they will quote our teachings to us and lie to deceive - but is this NOT how the great deceiver engages and recruits his followers?

In the end, it is NOT the government’s JOB to care for the poor. Our Messiah never said, “Let Caesar take care of the poor.” Our Messiah said it is our job - yours, mine, and our fellow parishioners. Our Catholic “principle of subsidiarity” states that local problems are best served by local parishioners. I pray you do NOT walk down the path of God-less socialism/communism.

Your friend in Christ


22 posted on 09/27/2009 6:21:40 PM PDT by mik007san (Archbishop Eusebius Beltran Oklahoma Sponsoring Committee)
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To: oklahomaconservative

Can you imagine the uproar if conservatives were getting tax dollars to push radical conservatism?


23 posted on 09/27/2009 6:28:07 PM PDT by GOPJ (UN mixing democracies & dictator's like mixing ice cream and shit-all of it stinks.(Steyn))
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To: mik007san
This isn't necessarily about welfare. It's about infrastructure - maybe it's sidewalks, transportation, accessibility to after-care, something for the elderly. It's about people that are on the edge. Holding public officials responsible means ensuring they do what they say they will and think about families when they decide how to spend our tax dollars.

The IAF has no ties to ACORN. ACORN has a national agenda it promotes while IAF affiliates are all independent and locally driven. It's a huge difference. Saying they are the same organization or calling them communist or whatever is very misleading.

Look at what other IAF affiliates are doing, and you'll see it's good. Every affiliate contains Catholic parishes and none of them are taking action on issues contrary to Catholic teaching. That's very important.

Here's a recent example: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113931948. This story came out the same day Mark Shannon was cheering the burning of a “ghetto” (his words) apartment complex in Edmond...

24 posted on 10/26/2009 5:48:21 AM PDT by AnotherConcernedCatholic (Look at http://www.oksponsoring.org for more information.)
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To: oklahomaconservative

Community Organizing (definition)

Making poor people more dependent on government


25 posted on 10/26/2009 5:51:05 AM PDT by nascarnation
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