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"Term Limits For Senators and Representatives?"
U.S.overallothers

Posted on 08/21/2009 9:56:14 AM PDT by U.S.overallothers

I have been thinking back in American history. Following the two term precedent set by Washington all other Presidents, with the exception of F.D.Roosevelt, have stuck to this rule to show they were not "power hungry". We now have the 22nd Amendment to the Constitutional limiting the President to two terms.

It was Thomas Jefferson's ideology that "politicians" did not exist. It was his belief that ordinary citizens serve their fellow countrymen and return to their jobs and livelihoods (in that time farming). This principle is called republican agrarianism. For proof of Jefferson's ideals look to Virginia's short sessions for the state legislature.

My thinking is that if we limit the President's terms to prevent the hoarding of power, why not do the same thing for Senators and Representatives. Maybe we could get some fresh people in Congress uncorrupted and willing to listen to the American people. I haven't seen any articles on this subject and wanted to get a discussion started. What are your thoughts on this?

-U.S.overallothers


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1 posted on 08/21/2009 9:56:14 AM PDT by U.S.overallothers
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To: U.S.overallothers

Kennedy potato head, Bawney Fwank and many others should be ousted! Two, 2 year terms and that’s it! Also, no fluffy compensation packages...nothing. You go back to work in the private sector like the rest of us.

Also, required to work in the the private sector for a minimum of 4 years before running for office!


2 posted on 08/21/2009 10:00:34 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: U.S.overallothers

The Republicans tried this in 1994 and gave up after the first Supreme Court rejection. Will need a Constitutional Amendment. Some States have imposed term limits, unfortunately not Massachusetts.


3 posted on 08/21/2009 10:01:21 AM PDT by OCC
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To: U.S.overallothers

I agree wholeheartedly.

What entrenched politicians tell you is that they can get you the pork because they have been there long enough to know the ropes. I think if they get where they can get pork for their district they can also get pork their friends and their special interests and make it darn near impossible for them to be defeated and then they can do what they want, no matter their constituents.


4 posted on 08/21/2009 10:01:58 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: U.S.overallothers

There should also be term limits on their benefit packages, as in, Congresscritters can partake of their cadillac private insurance options only as long as they are serving in office.

After that, you get just what the average Joe citizen gets.

If this were there case today, NOT ONE of those a$$holes on the Hill would be in favor of Zero’s death care.


5 posted on 08/21/2009 10:02:31 AM PDT by kevao (DISSENT: It's no longer patriotic.)
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To: U.S.overallothers

Two terms in the Senate and four terms in the House and the go the heck home!

LLS


6 posted on 08/21/2009 10:02:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: mikelets456
You are 100% correct. Two year term and no frills for retirement.
7 posted on 08/21/2009 10:03:06 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: U.S.overallothers
Term limits obviously are needed for reps and senators. The system has been corrupted by career politicians on both sides of the aisle, so we need a way to limit at least some of the damage that these idiots inflict on this country. If the president is term-limited, there is no reason that members of Congress shouldn't be term limited, either. And while we're at it, maybe the Supreme Court justices should be limited, as well. But making this happen is another story, altogether. It will be fought tooth-and-nail by our out-of-touch overlords.
8 posted on 08/21/2009 10:06:09 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Imagining a world without DemocRats.)
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To: U.S.overallothers
The only problem I have with Term Limits is that it puts the power not in the hands of the people but the hands of the bureaucrats who actually work for the congress critters. I think this scares me more than anything. These are the ones who put these terrible ideas into their congress critters heads. If we do term limits then those who help or work for the congress critters must be individuals from the districts they work and not from DC nor have worked for congress critters before.

Just my 2 cents.

9 posted on 08/21/2009 10:07:09 AM PDT by HOYA97 (Hoya Saxa = What Rocks)
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To: U.S.overallothers

If you can figure out a way to remove the thousands of entrenched staffers in unelected, unaccountable positions that actually write the bills, know the system, and guide Freshmen congressmen and Senators around then I would consider it.

If not, I am not going to hand over more control to these unelected, unaccountable staffers because it makes people feel good that they got rid of career politicians.


10 posted on 08/21/2009 10:08:33 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Two two year term limits is a virtual never ending campaign. How about the President, Senators and Congressmen all being brought onto a five year term together, with two terms maximum for everyone. That means less campaigns (which reduces cost), less campaigning especially for congressmen. All campaigns in the same year so that we don’t have situations where some are distracted and others are not. No career politicians. Era’s align with decades so they make more sense in people’s mind (kind of like a metric adaptation was supposed to).

Finally...outlaw lobbying for good on municipal, state and federal levels forever.


11 posted on 08/21/2009 10:15:32 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: U.S.overallothers

In my opinion, 8 years for a president is too long, as well.


12 posted on 08/21/2009 10:16:43 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: U.S.overallothers

What we need right now is a law that gives us a one year warranty on the president-elect. If, within the first year, the president-elect turns out not to be what we wanted then we can trade him in for the runner up.


13 posted on 08/21/2009 10:19:11 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: U.S.overallothers

Give them pop quizzes on the Constitution. Fail and you’re out.


14 posted on 08/21/2009 10:19:26 AM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Major Matt Mason
I recently saw my congressman at a local establishment. During our conversation I mentioned this very idea to him- noting that until we get term limits for congressmen and senators, there was no hope of reestablishing any type of honesty in our government.

He just laughed at me and said "it's never going to happen".

Boy I'd love to make that azzhole eat those words.

15 posted on 08/21/2009 10:19:37 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: johnnycap

Define “lobbying”


16 posted on 08/21/2009 10:21:24 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: U.S.overallothers

Partyless system as well.


17 posted on 08/21/2009 10:22:28 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: LibLieSlayer

Legislative office(House and Senate) = 1 TERM, Administrative (Governors and President) = 2 TERMS
NO LIFETIME BENIFITS!


18 posted on 08/21/2009 10:22:38 AM PDT by NRA1776
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To: U.S.overallothers
If we cannot fix the quality of people who get elected, it's hopeless.

Term limits are like putting a bandage over gangrene. Looks better, but it's not.

19 posted on 08/21/2009 10:23:21 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Lobbying in my mind means anytime a political representative’s primary agenda, (to serve the people he/she represents...),gets eclipsed by a competing agenda like campaign money, trips, the promise of a job later on, by any person or organization who seeks through influence to usurp the agenda of the people of the district, state or nation.
20 posted on 08/21/2009 10:26:18 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: HOYA97
The only problem I have with Term Limits is that it puts the power not in the hands of the people but the hands of the bureaucrats who actually work for the congress critters.

That's exactly the experience in California, but it's not just the legislative staffers, it's the career government services workers in the agencies who gain power as legislators come and go like a revolving door

21 posted on 08/21/2009 10:28:36 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("i'm FREQUENTLY wrong"--Stand Watie)
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To: johnnycap

So what does a “lobbyist” do?


22 posted on 08/21/2009 10:30:16 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Major Matt Mason
so we need a way to limit at least some of the damage that these idiots inflict on this country

Every House member is up for the people's verdict every two years.

If elections don't work, the problem is too great for term limits to resolve.

23 posted on 08/21/2009 10:36:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: Jim Noble

How about if your net worth is over X Million and your spouse earns over Y annually, you don’t get paid for the position either. Case in point, Kerry, Edwards, Pilosi to name a few.


24 posted on 08/21/2009 10:43:04 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: NRA1776
I could go for that in a heartbeat... but the District of Corruption will never pass anything like it.

LLS

25 posted on 08/21/2009 10:44:35 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: U.S.overallothers

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that the constitution initially did have term limits esp for the House. Am I wrong about that?

Term limits would take the partisanship out of politics and have a forum of people who are not out there trying to get elected but who would be doing the right thing.

How would we get this done, by putting it on a referendem ballot in every state or is a state thing.

Whatever it is, it should be done.


26 posted on 08/21/2009 11:01:47 AM PDT by nikos1121 (praying for -13)
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To: U.S.overallothers
I was never a big fan of term limits until two things happened:

1) I heard b frank lambast a constitueent in public and

2) Hearing my own representative, in a town hall meeting, telling us that what we want is wrong and he is going to do it his way and screw us.

The arrogance is unbelievable

27 posted on 08/21/2009 11:03:35 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: U.S.overallothers

I am in favor of term limits, but ones more along the lines of 10-12 terms in the House and 4 in the Senate. With maybe an upper limit of 36 years combined. All other positions in Congress(staff) have a limit of up to 15 years working for Congress. Long enough that you will have senior congressmen who work independent of Congressional staff and can give some direction to more junior Congressmen, but not so long that they just remain there permanently.


28 posted on 08/21/2009 11:12:33 AM PDT by ronnietherocket2
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To: kevao

Start by getting them off the federal payroll and onto their states’ payroll.

I’ll bet that a lot of perks and bennies drop off soon.


29 posted on 08/21/2009 11:35:41 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: U.S.overallothers

This has been my tagline for along time


30 posted on 08/21/2009 12:13:59 PM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: U.S.overallothers; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Not only term limits, but also changing the length of the Representatives’ terms with the addition of different beginnings, so that there’s never the possibility of a total change of power except over a period of time. I suggest shortening the Senate terms to five years, and lengthening Rep’s to five years, and limiting both houses to two terms.


31 posted on 08/21/2009 2:50:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Jim Noble
If elections don't work, the problem is too great for term limits to resolve.

Not really. Term limits ensures that all of these pols will eventually leave office in a reasonable amount of time. Right now, incumbents have a major advantage over newcomers in an election. Unless a representative is obviously horrendous or simply doesn't want to be there anymore, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. And as it works out, the ones that stick around the longest are usually the ones that do the most damage via legislation (or blocking good legislation).

32 posted on 08/21/2009 6:50:50 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Imagining a world without DemocRats.)
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