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Question about Guns in Ian Flemings Casino Royale (Spoilers)
08.24.09 | Perdogg

Posted on 08/24/2009 7:58:27 AM PDT by Perdogg

I got finished reading Casino Royale this weekend and I came across two guns I have never heard before.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglsit; jamesbond
First of all Bond said he killed a Japanese Cipher clerk in New York (this is repeated in the 1989 movie Licence to Kill with the 22-250 camera gun) with a Remington 3030.

Was there a Remington 3030 rifle prior to 1960?

He also says Le Chiffre was killed by a SMERSH agent with a Russian .35 caliber handgun. I have never heard of Russian .35 caliber weapon. Did this weapon exist or was this a typo?

1 posted on 08/24/2009 7:58:28 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Remington/Winchester 30-30 -the rifle that tamed the west goes back to the 1890’s- google and see the various models- big sales in the 1950’s as former military take up hunting


2 posted on 08/24/2009 8:09:51 AM PDT by captbarney
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To: Perdogg

Fleming may have used literary license, but not much if at all. A covert action agency and private weapons designers for hire can improvise weapons if what is needed is not already available.


3 posted on 08/24/2009 8:10:52 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Perdogg

I’ve read a number of the books too. Ian Flemming was actually an excellent writer.


4 posted on 08/24/2009 8:11:27 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Perdogg

What caliber is a CZ-52? I know it fires a 7.62x29 round, but I’ve never been able to figure out caliber from that?


5 posted on 08/24/2009 8:14:39 AM PDT by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: BlueLancer

7.62x39 is .308 caliber. It’s the round used by AK-47 and is shorter than our .308...lower muzzle velocity.


6 posted on 08/24/2009 8:18:56 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: BlueLancer

7.62 X 2.54 = .30 inches


7 posted on 08/24/2009 8:19:07 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: BlueLancer
What caliber is a CZ-52? I know it fires a 7.62x29 round, but I’ve never been able to figure out caliber from that?

7.62x29 means the bullet diameter is 7.62 mm ( = 0.30 inches = .30 cal) and the cartridge length is 29 mm.

8 posted on 08/24/2009 8:22:02 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: 6ppc
7.62x39 is .308 caliber.

He's talking about 7.62x29, which is a pistol caliber mainly used in old Russian officer's pistols.


9 posted on 08/24/2009 8:26:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Actually, I believe, the CZ52 is 7.62x25.


10 posted on 08/24/2009 8:27:11 AM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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To: BlueLancer
I know it fires a 7.62x29 round

Typically, 7.62 in a handgun is a .32 caliber.

7.62x39 on left, 7.62x25 on right

11 posted on 08/24/2009 8:31:43 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: TEXASPROUD
You're right, I did a google image search for 7.62x29 and that came up. It must have been a typo. The Cz-52 is 7.62x25.
12 posted on 08/24/2009 8:32:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: TEXASPROUD
Well, &#$^@&^Q!!

Of course it's x25 ... the next one up is 7.62x39 ... sorry about that.

13 posted on 08/24/2009 8:32:16 AM PDT by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: Perdogg

Maybe a Remington model 788 (bolt action)?


14 posted on 08/24/2009 8:34:44 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: PapaBear3625

I’ve often wondered about the slight differences in the way caliber is used.

The 7.62X51 NATO round is I believe identical to the .308 Winchester round.

But converting 7.62mm to inches gives

7.62mm X (1/25.4)in/mm = .3000... in.

I think the difference may be that .308 is the bullet diameter, but .300 (the caliber in European NATO parlance) is the land-to-land diameter of the barrel.


15 posted on 08/24/2009 8:36:14 AM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: TC Rider
The wiki for 7.62x25 has it being 0.31 diameter. The interesting thing about this cartridge is that it's a small diameter, high velocity FMJ bullet that can defeat Class II body armor.
16 posted on 08/24/2009 8:37:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Perdogg
"He also says Le Chiffre was killed by a SMERSH agent with a Russian .35 caliber handgun. I have never heard of Russian .35 caliber weapon."

The nominal bullet diameter of 9mm parabellum (9x19), .380 ACP (9 mm Kurz), and .38 Super is actually 0.355", so technically they are all ".35 calibers." Even the .38 Special and .357 SIG and .357 magnum, with a nominal bullet diameter of 0.357" would technically qualify as ".35 calibers", although the SIG was not around at the time Casino Royale was written.

It may have been a typo on Fleming's or his editor's parts, but in many of the earlier books, Bond himself used a Beretta .25 ACP (6.35 mm) and someone not familiar with firearms could have easily fat-fingered the "3" instead of a "2" and not caught the error.

17 posted on 08/24/2009 8:39:44 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: smokingfrog

Or Remington model 30 in 30-06.


18 posted on 08/24/2009 8:40:06 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Perdogg
He also says Le Chiffre was killed by a SMERSH agent with a Russian .35 caliber handgun. I have never heard of Russian .35 caliber weapon. Did this weapon exist or was this a typo?

.38 caliber weapons in the US, and elsewhere, are actually .357 caliber. Hence a .35 caliber Russian weapon would be a 9 mm, or 8.9 MM for an exact conversion. Does Flemming give the make of the gun? The Makarov was a popular Russian semi auto and it was first made in 1940, still around today. It was a 9MM handgun. So, yes, Russia had a .35 caliber pistol.

19 posted on 08/24/2009 8:44:48 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Perdogg

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Category:Movie


20 posted on 08/24/2009 8:50:01 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Perdogg

The 30-30(always typed with the hyphen)was invented in the late 1890s. The most popular 30-30 was the Winchester Model 94, lever action. However, there were several bolt action rifles made for the 30-30. Remington also made a pump and semi auto for a round that was identical to the 30-30 but it used a rimless case instead of the rimmed case a 30-30 uses. The round was officially called the .30 Remington but many called it the 30-30 Remington. Savage was one of the many manufactures who made 30-30 bolt action rifles. All of these firearms were available in 1960. I personally prefer the Marlin 336(and variants)to the Winchester 94.:)


21 posted on 08/24/2009 8:50:09 AM PDT by calex59
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To: TC Rider

Actually 7.62 is a 30 caliber, not 32. 7.65 is a .32 and the .32 ACP round was called the 7.65 in Europe(actually 7.65 rounds out to about .31 but you know how it is). 9MM is a .355.


22 posted on 08/24/2009 8:53:30 AM PDT by calex59
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To: DManA

My bookshelf at home is resembling what used to be the one in the Ian Fleming section at Barnes and Noble.


23 posted on 08/24/2009 9:00:46 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

I love these threads on guns and ammo. I learn something every time. Freepers know their stuff.


24 posted on 08/24/2009 9:01:43 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: Sigurdrifta

“I think the difference may be that .308 is the bullet diameter, but .300 (the caliber in European NATO parlance) is the land-to-land diameter of the barrel.”

Exactly right. If the bore diameter is .300 and the rifling is .004” deep, then the overall bore diameter from groove-to-groove is .308”. As a reloader, I know that .308 has been popular over the years for a number of commercial and military calibers.


25 posted on 08/24/2009 9:03:28 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism = organized crime)
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To: calex59; All

Thank you! Thank you all.


26 posted on 08/24/2009 9:57:19 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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