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White Europeans evolved only ‘5,500 years ago’
The Sunday Times ^ | August 30, 2009 | Jonathan Leake

Posted on 08/30/2009 10:40:35 AM PDT by decimon

White Europeans could have evolved as recently as 5,500 years ago, according to research which suggests that the early humans who populated Britain and Scandinavia had dark skins for millenniums.

It was only when early humans gave up hunter-gathering and switched to farming about 5,500 years ago that white skin began to be favoured, say the researchers.

This is because farmed food was deficient in vitamin D, a vital nutrient. Humans can make this in their skin when exposed to sunlight, but dark skin is much less efficient at it.

In places such as northern Europe, where sunlight levels are low, the ability to make vitamin D more efficiently could have been crucial to survival.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Agriculture; Food; Health/Medicine; History; Science
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; aryaninvasion; aryans; europe; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; huntergatherers; indusvalley; indusvalleyscript; savedthebestforlast; vitamind; worldhistory
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1 posted on 08/30/2009 10:40:36 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Neubie ping.


2 posted on 08/30/2009 10:41:15 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

So what’s the theory on Asians?

And evolved from what?


3 posted on 08/30/2009 10:43:01 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: decimon

fascinating.


4 posted on 08/30/2009 10:43:09 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: decimon

I guess that this means that vitamin D is “racist”!


5 posted on 08/30/2009 10:44:22 AM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: decimon

If this is case, what about the Inuit in Alaska? Should they not have evolved into light-skinned blonds as well?


6 posted on 08/30/2009 10:47:10 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: decimon
Britain and Scandinavia had dark skins for millenniums

Nice use of the lingo.
7 posted on 08/30/2009 10:48:10 AM PDT by Rodebrecht (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: decimon

No serious scientist actually believes this


8 posted on 08/30/2009 10:48:29 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: La Lydia

They’re not agrarian.


9 posted on 08/30/2009 10:48:38 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: La Lydia
If this is case, what about the Inuit in Alaska? Should they not have evolved into light-skinned blonds as well?

If they turned to agriculture. Don't think they did.

10 posted on 08/30/2009 10:49:47 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Hogwash, my ancestors arrived in the Great Ice Ship. No one has proven otherwise. ;o)


11 posted on 08/30/2009 10:50:22 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR PALIN!)
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To: decimon
Whitey stole Europe, too?

(Whitey's fault.)

12 posted on 08/30/2009 10:50:40 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: La Lydia
If this is case, what about the Inuit in Alaska? Should they not have evolved into light-skinned blonds as well?

No, because they were never farmers, but remained primaryily hunters. Lots of vit D in animal flesh. ( According to the theory)

I remember seeing a food channel episode a while beack where the host ate a seal with an Inuit family. One delicacy- the eyeballs- incredibly rich in vit D.

13 posted on 08/30/2009 10:50:51 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Rodebrecht
Britain and Scandinavia had dark skins for millenniums

Nice use of the lingo.

The British don't always handle plurals as Americans do but you're probably right.

14 posted on 08/30/2009 10:52:54 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Funny how this non-intelligent evolution somehow found a way to compensate for a deficient vitamin. I guess the same manner in which evolution always seems to stumble its way into intricate complexities and problem solving. This crap is comedic. But researchers funded by grants are well paid comedians.


15 posted on 08/30/2009 10:52:59 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: decimon

Skin color is the most visible but not the only physical difference between races. For example, forensic examiners can tell the race of an individual by a single tooth or bone. I wonder how they explain those differences?


16 posted on 08/30/2009 10:53:41 AM PDT by Fingolfin
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To: decimon
The fight potential of this thread is exquisite.

You posted this just to see the usual fight erupt didn't you?

17 posted on 08/30/2009 10:54:58 AM PDT by calex59
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To: decimon

Whitey done stole all the Vitamin D.......bastards!!!!


18 posted on 08/30/2009 10:56:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: decimon

Isn’t it rather racist, to say that white Europeans are more “evolved” in any way, shape or form?

Of course, when you get right down to it, the whole “Out Of Africa” thing is racist, too, implying that the smart ones got out as it does, when you get right down to brass tacks.

Those infernal skull calipers are never far removed from this whole charade, whatever the intended political impact of the latest news in human “evolution” might be at any given moment.

I’m left to ponder the cranial capacity of the author, as a result. His having written “millenniums” doesn’t help, either.


19 posted on 08/30/2009 10:56:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: calex59
You posted this just to see the usual fight erupt didn't you?

Nope. But when you have evolution and race in one thread...

20 posted on 08/30/2009 10:57:07 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
The fight potential of this thread is exquisite.

Should not be, but oh well, nothing new under that 'sun'.

Most Christians ignore Genesis 2:5 After it is already declared in Genesis 2:4 THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND OF THE EARTH (it is written in all caps in my KJV)

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew:

for the LORD God has not caused it to rain upon the earth, *and* (bit of seed planting follows) there was NOT a man to till the ground.

Then we are told about the formation of 'the' man Adam, quite unlike those 'men/women' created back in Genesis 1:27.

21 posted on 08/30/2009 10:57:25 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: decimon

At long last proof that the Nation of Islam belief that the eeeveeel black scientist Yakub created the white devils.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)


22 posted on 08/30/2009 10:58:19 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: La Lydia
If this is case, what about the Inuit in Alaska? Should they not have evolved into light-skinned blonds as well?

Good one!

23 posted on 08/30/2009 10:58:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (Socialism : Envy gussied up as a political cause...... David Horowitz)
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To: decimon

Modern Europeans are descended from the peoples of the Middle East from modern-day Israel and Iran. They migrated up through the Caucases and that is why whites are called Caucasians.


24 posted on 08/30/2009 10:59:54 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: RegulatorCountry
His having written “millenniums” doesn’t help, either.

Just checked a dictionary and the author is correct.

25 posted on 08/30/2009 11:02:07 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

From the PhD crowd - you know, Pile it Higher and Deeper. This one can’t even stand the common sense test.


26 posted on 08/30/2009 11:04:47 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: decimon
It's British press propaganda to legitimize massive non-White immigration into Britain by claiming that "they're just like us, and we were once them".

The genetic migration and evolution of modern Europeans is well documented and predates tripe like this.

27 posted on 08/30/2009 11:04:50 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: decimon

This theory will turn out to be hogwash later on, like so many theories posited in the last century about modern human origins.


28 posted on 08/30/2009 11:09:44 AM PDT by PIF
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To: RegulatorCountry

Didn’t Darwin originally say that black people were basically sub-human? Evolution is racist. Many of the “primitive” features of skulls are found in modern black/African skulls. Lower forehead, smaller chin, etc. Whenever a textbook shows a “primitive” skull and a “modern” skull it is always showing a white person’s skull for the “modern” one. It’s obvious to anyone who’s studied forensic anthropology.


29 posted on 08/30/2009 11:13:15 AM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: decimon
He is referring to millennia, in series, one flowing uninterrupted into the next.

“Millenniums” would be differing and separated eras of 1,000 years.

The two are not always interchangeable. The author misuses the term in this instance.

30 posted on 08/30/2009 11:14:00 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: decimon
The article fails to mention what effect vitamin D (or lack thereof) had on melanin or melanotropin production. Pigmentation is controlled by melanotropin and the relative lack of constant sunlight in northern climes could cause a reduction in melanotropin release from the pituitary gland, thus causing less melanin pigmentation.

The article states that white europeans "could have" evolved 5500 years ago. Then again, maybe not.

31 posted on 08/30/2009 11:16:04 AM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SIDENET

then they shot the nose off the sphinx....


32 posted on 08/30/2009 11:17:02 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( If this be treason, then lets make the best of it.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
He is referring to millennia, in series, one flowing uninterrupted into the next.

“Millenniums” would be differing and separated eras of 1,000 years.

The two are not always interchangeable. The author misuses the term in this instance.

In which dictionary may I find this?

33 posted on 08/30/2009 11:17:04 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I wonder if the first white guy was a racist like the rest of us?


34 posted on 08/30/2009 11:18:01 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Well duh, I mean, after all, it was only 6000 years ago that the universe was created.

Speaking of serious scientists, you of course are kidding, right? here? on this topic?

:-)

35 posted on 08/30/2009 11:18:41 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: Mogollon
It was only when early humans gave up hunter-gathering and switched to farming about 5,500 years ago that white skin began to be favoured, say the researchers.

Actually their problem word is 'switched'.

36 posted on 08/30/2009 11:19:48 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Mogollon
The article fails to mention what effect vitamin D (or lack thereof) had on melanin or melanotropin production. Pigmentation is controlled by melanotropin and the relative lack of constant sunlight in northern climes could cause a reduction in melanotropin release from the pituitary gland, thus causing less melanin pigmentation.

I don't think they're saying that vitamin D effects melanin production. This would be survival of the fittest and the fittest would have been the lighter skinned in a northern agricultural society.

37 posted on 08/30/2009 11:21:12 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Oh yeah the whole of this is predicated on the so called Aryan Invasion to India from Europe - but there is more than ample evidence that the ‘invasion’, if it occurred, was the other way around - from India to Europe. Light skinned people lived in India long long before any lived in Europe. Like some one said here - British agitprop.
38 posted on 08/30/2009 11:21:48 AM PDT by PIF
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To: going hot

Uh, the world was not created 6,000 years ago. The Church has accepted that evolution probably did happen but that it was guided by God. Until God says otherwise through his servant Benedict or whomever succeeds him I really don’t see the need to dispute that.

And anyone who has had a basic science class knows that white people were in existence in Europe well before the dawn of civilization.


39 posted on 08/30/2009 11:24:25 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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Oh yeah the whole of this is predicated on the so called Aryan Invasion to India from Europe - but there is more than ample evidence that the ‘invasion’, if it occurred, was the other way around - from India to Europe. Light skinned people lived in India long long before any lived in Europe. Like some one said here - British agitprop.

I don't know how you managed to read that into this.

40 posted on 08/30/2009 11:25:55 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Bush's Yakub's fault.

Elijah Muhammad said this:

"The Blackman is the original man. From him came all brown, yellow, red, and white people. By using a special method of birth control law, the Blackman was able to produce the white race. This method of birth control was developed by a Black scientist known as Yakub, who envisioned making and teaching a nation of people who would be diametrically opposed to the Original People. A Race of people who would one day rule the original people and the earth for a period of 6,000 years. Yakub promised his followers that he would graft a nation from his own people, and he would teach them how to rule his people, through a system of tricks and lies whereby they use deceit to divide and conquer, and break the unity of the darker people, put one brother against another, and then act as mediators and rule both sides."

41 posted on 08/30/2009 11:27:17 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: ReagansShinyHair

You’re not compliant in applying the term “racist” in the approved, amorphous political sense, and that is where your confusion arises.


42 posted on 08/30/2009 11:27:37 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: King Moonracer

The Nation of Islam. Horrendously racist people.


43 posted on 08/30/2009 11:28:29 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: decimon

The development of a single trait is hard to determine accurately. The haplogroups that form much of the European population are traceable back some distance in time. It is hard to explain how lineages that go back further then 5000 years ago would all share the same trait. There was a similar statement about blue eyes being a recent mutation going back only 5000-6000 years that had me wondering about that. There is no logical way to explain how such traits could spread so rapidly if they were not in the populations prior to this latest theory. Unless of course everybody just wanted to do it with the white chick.


44 posted on 08/30/2009 11:29:18 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Uh, the world was not created 6,000 years ago.

Gasp!

Say it isn't so!

Actually, goes without saying, but some here would vehemently disagree, question your faith, question your dogma, question your dog's dogma, your ancestry, the number of neurons in your head, and the number of them actually synapsing at any given moment, and how much nt is actually transferring to the post syanptic plate.

It is actually very entertaining, goes good with a glass or two of wine and a small plate of cheese,(without moose bite marks).

45 posted on 08/30/2009 11:31:21 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: King Moonracer

Did he say when the 6,000 years would be up? I’m sure the timing of that is convenient.


46 posted on 08/30/2009 11:32:00 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

47 posted on 08/30/2009 11:32:14 AM PDT by VU4G10
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To: decimon

It was kind of interesting, but it was said in 1965. I got it from Wikipedia, so Lord knows how often its edited by, ahem, honest folks.


48 posted on 08/30/2009 11:34:18 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: decimon

Sounds like revisionist history to me.


49 posted on 08/30/2009 11:35:17 AM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: Fingolfin

Good question. Never thought of that.


50 posted on 08/30/2009 11:36:54 AM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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