Posted on 09/04/2009 7:20:05 PM PDT by Man50D
As of today, September 4, 2009, this Affidavit has been filed with the United States District Court in Southern California ~ represented by Orly Taitz.
This is a legal affidavit that declares Lucas Smith to be of sound mind and judgement. Lucas can go to jail if he lied on this affidavit.
The document (Certified COPY of Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate) you see here, once it is validated by the court, is pretty much the proverbial “smoking gun.”
(Excerpt) Read more at americangrandjury.org ...
Round 538...
Obama is that your footprint? *Snicker*
I’ll be shocked if it’s real, but either way, time seems to be running out for 0bama the punk.
Interesting; I should like to see what happens.
good luck deporting him....
bc bump
.....can he take his followers with him?
Deposing him would suit me
Hmmm
The last signature Odongo’s, is dated 8/7/1961.
In colonial Kenya one would expect such a date to be shown British style - as 7/8/1961, assuming they mean August 7 1961.
Similarly, his mother’s birthdate is shown as 11/29/1942.
Hmmm, think they’ll have to do better than that !
Yes, date formats are important.
Whatever
It looks way to uniform and modern to have been typed on a manual machine in Colonial Africa.
Here we go again.
Much as I’d like to get excited about this, I want to first see a verified, actual copy of another Kenyan’s birth certificate from the same hospital, and from the same time period for comparison.
Secondly, I’d like to see a photograph (or three) of the alleged BC instead of a photocopy, which is what the image at the link appears to be.
I’d also like to get the back story on this document and the guy who obtained it, or a general statement of fact from Orly Taitz’ office.
Stay tuned for:
Mr. Smith Goes to Federal Prison.
Good catch.
How hard would it be to find someone else born that week at that place and get their birth certificate for comparison?
Another FR thread on this document is located here:
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2323574/posts
A quick Google of the name Helton Maganga brought up 154 hits. He’s the real thing, and apparently, the attending physician also checks out as a real person who was practicing medicine in Kenya at the time of Obama’s birth.
Now I understand why someone spent so much time and energy to make the fake “punked” birth certificate earlier.
Poison the well. That one was fake, so this one must be fake too, right?
Anyhow, the guy did put his gonads on the chopping block for real. That thing does look genuine too me.
I wonder if there is any chance we can get one of Barry’s footprints for comparison.
Exactly the reaction they hope for.
How long have the British been using that date style?
Don’t know for sure but it goes back decades if not centuries. Europeans often do it slightly differently to reduce confusion - they use roman numerals for the month so for August 7 1961 you might see 7/viii/1961 but they still put the month in the middle, not first.
You must not have heard, Bill O’Reilly says “the factor” investigated and this is “bogus”.
Putting that uncertainty in people's minds cannot hurt and at this point IF he finally says “Ok here's my lousy $18 BC” people will say “why didnt you do that before”
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Orly & Lucas Smith have entered Obama’s Kenyan BC in Keyes Case as evidence in Court for Sept 8
Filed with Court Declaration of Lucas Daniel Smith and a copy of Kenian hospital Birth Certificate for Barack Hussein Obama
September 4th, 2009
THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW JUDGE CARTER HANDLES THIS!!! Looks like Orly and Lucas Smith have been in contact.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
Court Declaraton By Lucas Smith
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/lucas-smith-declaration-21-621x1024.png
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Copy of Lucas Smith motion filed by Orly
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/lucas-smith-declaration2-621x1024.png
Copy of Kenyan BC filed in Keyes Case
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18 inches = 46 cm
7 pounds 1 ounce = 3.2 kilograms or one half stone
Including the troublesome placement of the dates, I also see nothing British style in the information, but birth information in the US is usually supplied by the mother to the doctor and Obama’s mother was from Kansas.
Hear! Hear!
But is this supposed to be an original BC from way back when... or a recently generated copy of a BC, like Zero’s 2007 copy of his COLB is supposed to be.
If it’s a new doc created from the original info, there should be no problem with the uniformity and the modern look.
I don’t have a firm opinion one way or the other, but I sure would like to have the truth revealed before I’m old and gray.
Hey Obama, just... give... us... the... PROOF!
Exposing him would do fine for me - the sooner the better.
The same Bill O'Reilly who I heard on Fox News saying he's seen the birth certificate? That one?
Bill O’Reilly is such a tool! He only cares about book sales and ratings. He lost me for good when he disputed the birth issue. So much for the “No Spin Zone”!
As I look at it again, I see that it actually does look like a typewritten form. I note the top curves of the first typed row are faded as if the paper were not rolled flat against the platen as you would find on an actual typewritten page. Also, some of the numbers such as the seven are larger as many old manual type styles were. Another distinguishment is that some of the closed letters appear to have the centers smudged, also exactly as a real typed form would have, with excess ribbon ink buildup.
“You must not have heard, Bill O’Reilly says “the factor” investigated and this is “bogus”.”
Wow TheFACTOR, investigated.
Well I didn’t like Bill at first, then I did, and now I kinda still do. But it is surely so, where real documentation can be blog verified. Post the specifics Mr Bill,
TheFACTOR, investigated is feeble. Where’s the Beef, one may inquire.
Rab
We so need the “Palin Factor” at 8:00pm EST.
Move Beck up to 9:00pm.
Hannity/Greta show at 10:00pm.
O’Reilly can go to NPR or, if that’s too conservative for him, Air America.
obumpa
7 pounds 1 ounce = 3.2 kilograms or one half stone
Including the troublesome placement of the dates, I also see nothing British style in the information, but birth information in the US is usually supplied by the mother to the doctor and Obama’s mother was from Kansas.
Nothing odd here in reporting weight and height in pounds and inches. THAT is the English, "un-Frenchified" pre-decimal system.
They still traded in six-pence and florins in 1961.
Here’s how I see it. Lucas Smith has placed his evidence before the court under the penalty of perjury. Will the frauds at Factcheck be willing to do the same??? I doubt it.
From this website in a thread called "American vs British style of writing dates":
http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t1952-45.htm
David Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:32 pm GMT
What a stupid discussion:
Fact is:
Both day-month-year and month-day-year are used in Britain. And the month-day-year version is even preferred by British newspapers:
Let's see:
The Times: February 17, 2005
Guardian: Feburary 17, 2005
Economist: February 17th 2005
And there are also influential American publications (especially academic publications) that use day-month-year, for example:
Science Magazine: 17 February 2005
Physical Review Letters: 17 February 2005
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and from Saturday's Times of London, check out the date, September 5, 2009:
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Agreed....Helton Maganga appears to be real. My question is why not get Helton to sign an affidavit ? It would sure carry a lot more weight than an ex-con. Maganga’s signature
appears ‘very’ neat. Almost like it could be a woman. Does anyone know Helton’s gender ? Also, would a Hospital Chief Administrator stamp and sign a document without reading it first ? If this document was sealed as Smith stated, wouldn’t the Chief Administrator be aware of this ? This should be an easy debunk or verification once someone contacts Maganga. BTW, I hope it’s real, just raising a few concerns.
When using all numbers, written, you’ll never see anything other than dd/mm/yy or dd/mm/yyyy in common use.
Will the Judge find for the plaintive, and give all uniformed personnel the option to refuse orders?
Nobody knows what’s fake and what’s not.
Many of us have two authentic BCs, the unofficial one with footprints that the hospital issues, and the official one that is recorded with the government. The one Smith has would be the hospital copy; the one attorney Orly has is supposedly the governmental one.
I’ve followed all these threads and the detailed examination of purported BCs. Some are quickly dismissed as forgeries. From all I’ve seen, the jury is still out on both of these.
(I wish that last sentence were not a figure of speech.)
Who knows?
I noticed that too. It's actually way too neat for a man's signature.
Another thing is the dates. They're done American style, as in, MM/DD/YY. British style is DD/MM/YY. This little detail is a glaring out-point in my opinion, and casts serious doubt on the document's authenticity.
Also, would a Hospital Chief Administrator stamp and sign a document without reading it first ?
That thought occurred to me too. He didn't notice whose birth certificate copy this was before signing it? Would he really have stamped and signed it if he had noticed the name? I have my doubts.
It takes a thief, to catch a thief.
This has been his point all along. He never hid who he was, and in fact stated that WHO he was is the only reason he could get it. He paid people off, who wanted cash. He was funded to get this information, and he paid off the people needed to get it.
So the argument that he is undependable, is specious. In fact, he was exactly the type of person needed, to get this information. Going “by the rules”, would have had unsurmountable road blocks.
Bad men, or guys who know how to “work” the system, to get what they want, don’t care about the rules, they care about results.
Now your trying to discredit the product, because of the delivery man.
Wake up people. If you discredit the document, fine. But, so far. Nobody has. Here are the facts:
* This is a typed document
Copy is issued on Feb 1, 09 by
Hilton Magonga
Chief Administrator (so should be there today)
Issued by:
Coast Province General Hospital
Mombasa British Protectoriate of Kenya
Certificate Number 32018
DOB August 4, 1961 Time: 7:42PM
Weight: 7Lbs, 1 Oz 18” Long
Mother: Stanley Ann Obama
Maiden Name: Dunham
Birthplace of Mother:
Wichita, KS, United States
Residence of Mother:
Honalulu, Hawaii, United States
Occupation of Mother: Student
Father:
Barak Hussein Obama
DOB: 1936
Birthplace of Father:
Kanyadhiang village,Kenya
Occupation of Father: Student
Attending Physician:
James O. W. Ang’Awa
Hospital Administrator:
John Kwame Odongo 8/7/1961
Lucas Smith Defense of new birth certificate by WND and Jerome Corsi...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX1DFV0hsPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCc3Axxd8kU&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdueOWxo518&NR=1
Here Lucas Smith responds to Corsi, with plausable answers
I personally wrote Smith, and got a response. In that letter, I told him that his credibility was in question, and that it appeared to many to be a scam for cash. He told me that he had a person who represented him, and gave him guidance. I suggested that his credibility would be greatly enhanced if he were to make this part of public record thru a lawyer, much like Orly Taits has done. Even if it is proven fake, its part of public record, and once there, the threats against his life, are gone. It is my hope that he listened and this is why he has put this into the legal system.
So, now the charge that he is in it for the money, is no longer valid, he has put the document into the system, where it is safe. You can get copies all over the net, and dissect it as best you can. I have been trying, and so far, nothing points out as incorrect, or implausable.
The Obamaites are hard at work tho, trying to sew seeds of doubt. So, I am going at this in this way, see what they have to say. Does what they have to stay invalidate the document? If so, what is their proof? Words are not good enough. So far, speculation, questions, nothing more. No HARD proof that the document is not genuine...
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