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Scouts to no longer bring penknives on camping trips [UK]
The Telegraph | 06 Sep 2009 | Chris Irvine

Posted on 09/07/2009 6:29:09 AM PDT by Daffynition

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To: Colvin

You’re probably right.

And if someone is cut/injured, isn’t it part of scouting to treat injuries and learn emergency aid in difficult situations? Geesh.


51 posted on 09/07/2009 8:39:49 AM PDT by Daffynition (A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.)
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To: Daffynition
"Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife," he wrote. "The series of high-profile fatal stabbings [has] highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK.

Unless the scouts are committing the acts of knife violence, how can banning them from carrying knives stop the violence?

52 posted on 09/07/2009 9:02:12 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: DieHard the Hunter
It is too bad the Scout leaders in the UK are afraid of their Scouts.

I was not a scout but I have carried a pocket knife since I was six. My dad carries one. My mom carries one.

A pocket knife is a useful tool.

53 posted on 09/07/2009 9:07:57 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: cyclotic
“I’ve got four kids and none of them are getting stuff that needs batteries. In fact, I bought my boys knives and guns for Christmas.”

No Walky-talkys?

(Do they even still make those?)

54 posted on 09/07/2009 9:12:42 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Daffynition

Ouch. This brings back painful memories from Boy Scouts. That is, our particularly hardcore group of scoutmasters had a profoundly effective way of stimulating boys to advance in the ranks on field trips.

The youngest ones would be whittling with pocket knives, and so soon learned the value of good steel compared to the pot metal typically used in cheap blades. Their “graduation” to a sheath knife actually meant something. From there, the big push was to First Class, where they would use hatchets and axes. A lot.

Life rank Scouts finally hit it big by “getting” to use chainsaws. Clearing and harvesting cords of mesquite wood to raise money for the troop. A long weekend of harvesting wood could pay for the much of the rest of the year’s activities.

And a lot of sore muscles. But it was worth it.


55 posted on 09/07/2009 9:13:35 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Grizzled Bear

Liberalspeak for “I” know what is good you.


56 posted on 09/07/2009 9:13:59 AM PDT by Daffynition (A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Good good memories. I remember dad never ventured off a road without his sheath knife and Colt Woodsman.

I hope somewhere, somehow, scoutmasters are continuing and passing down this knowledge. Gutting and skinning animals, comes to mind too.


57 posted on 09/07/2009 9:19:28 AM PDT by Daffynition (A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.)
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To: Ransomed
“Scouting helps to prepare young people with valuable life skills, while keeping them safe by not carrying knives.”

Next, Scouting will be keeping them safe by not letting them carry pointy sticks or dangerous strings (which could, of course, be used as a garrote). Soon belts, neckerchiefs, and laced shoes will be removed from the uniform. And heavy hiking boots could be thrown, so Scouts will be restricted to thongs (flip-flops) and trainers less than a given weight. Most other Boy Scout kit will need to go as well, that being heavy, hard, pointy, or loud. The British Boy Scouts will become the Girl Scouts... but then what's to be done about needlepoint?

Lord Baden-Powell must be spinning in his grave.

58 posted on 09/07/2009 9:58:10 AM PDT by GulchBound (Who owns you?)
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To: GulchBound

Also, we must never let the secret of fire-making be propagated amonst the masses lest we lose rich eco-systems to man’s unquenchable lust for warmth and roasted weiners. Instead, scouts will spend more time indoors knitting plush baby dolls (with blunt knitting needles) that they can pretend to nurse in sympathy to the matriarchal ideal.

King of the Hill had an episode about the pussification of outdoor boys clubs, it was pretty classic.

Freegards


59 posted on 09/07/2009 11:49:26 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Cold Heart
They're trying to forbid the importation of quick action knives, which the 2nd wouldn't stop, but which certainly could be challenged in the trade organizations. Not that I'm especially pleased with the concept of having to go to an international body to stop our domestic government from acting like idiots...
60 posted on 09/07/2009 5:36:28 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: kingu
My understanding, from the Lars Larson show earlier this year, is they would stop US manufacture also. You could only buy the knife if it were made in your state (commerce clause). Haven’t heard anything lately but I know the Oregon knife companies were pretty hot about it.
61 posted on 09/07/2009 5:45:02 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart
There's still too many reasonable states out there to pull that off, and SCOTUS wouldn't rule in the fed’s favor on it. Their best bet, really, is doing the same thing they did to fully-automatic machine guns, requiring a special tax. Not that I'm trying to help them screw us, but that'd probably be the only legal course.
62 posted on 09/07/2009 5:52:54 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Daffynition
What about the forest full of sharp sticks?
63 posted on 09/07/2009 5:55:43 PM PDT by MaxMax (Don't stop them when they're imploding, just step out of their way)
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To: MaxMax

We’re still allowing scouts in the woods? OMG .......call my attorney!


64 posted on 09/07/2009 6:05:59 PM PDT by Daffynition (A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.)
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To: kingu; All

See FR post

Fight For You Knife Rights Now!


65 posted on 09/08/2009 3:54:40 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Daffynition

this is so stupid and unnecessary. What are they afraid of, a scout may cut himself and overwhelm their socialized medicine program?


66 posted on 10/02/2009 1:41:27 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Daffynition

How about the little flint & steel firestarter kits? They used those to entice us to join the Cub Scouts when I was a kid. All the boys were assembled in the gym and each of us got a pie tin with a few cotton balls in it to set on fire with the flint & steel. Oh man that was fun — and of course the idea was that if you joined the Scouts you’d get to do a lot of that kind of thing. This was in the 1980s but it seems like worlds away now.


67 posted on 10/02/2009 2:03:11 PM PDT by Yardstick
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