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Grizzly mauls sheepherder; kills dogs, sheep
Sublette Examiner ^ | September 15, 2009 | Joy Ufford with Derek Farr

Posted on 09/15/2009 2:27:56 PM PDT by jazusamo

After what could be the first grizzly bear attack on a human in the Upper Green, a 46-year-old sheepherder was life-flighted to Idaho Falls early Monday morning after being seriously mauled.

The grizzly began its rampage in the early hours in a sheep herd grazing near Forest Road 617, at the eastern edge of the Gros Ventre Wilderness near Tosi Creek.

The herd is tended by Marcello Tejeda, of Rock Springs, and Jorge Mesa, both of whom were awakened by what they thought was a black bear in the sheep, according to their employer, rancher Mary Thoman of Fontenelle.

Monday, Thoman was concerned for Tejeda and her sheep, which have been harassed by predators all summer, she said.

“We have had a nightmare,” she said of the W&M Thoman Ranches’ forest allotments on the Upper Green. “Nothing but grizzlies and wolves all summer long.”

At 3:30, the Sublette County Sheriff’s Office received a call from Mesa that a bear had attacked a man and that an ambulance or doctor was needed to help him, according to preliminary reports.

Thoman said they have always had problems with black bears getting into the sheep but the grizzly situation has been worsening since 1998 when she said grizzlies were moved into that area from elsewhere.

“The dogs were raising heck and they thought it was a black bear,” Thoman said her sheepherder told her.

This was a grizzly sow with one cub, though, she was told. Thoman said she recently saw a collared grizzly sow with three cubs that had “just showed up” but didn’t know if they were the same animal.

The guard dogs stay with the sheep and protect them as best they can, she explained.

“Once they found out a bear was in the sheep the sheepherder (Tejeda) sent his (guard) dog in and the bear killed that one,” Bardin related .

Tejeda then sent in another guard dog and apparently was attacked by the bear when he tried to save the second dog, which was killed, he said.

The sheepherder received a seven-inch gash on top of his head, two punctures to the left side of his chest, three claw wounds to the right side of his abdomen and a puncture wound to his right wrist, early reports stated.

“This is the first human attack there that I can remember,” Bardin said.

Mesa used pepper spray – twice – to drive the bear away from Tejeda and then called Thoman for help.

Thoman said giving her sheepherders guns to shoot marauding predators isn’t a solution – “or we just have more trouble.”

Mesa then notified the sheriff’s office, and a team was sent in including an Emergency Medical Services unit, Kendall Valley Fire Department’s first-responders, three deputies and a Forest Service officer while Air Idaho, a search-and-rescue team and a doctor were put on standby.

Because of the poor travel conditions, a deputy drove Tejeda and Mesa (who had pepper spray in his eyes) out to a waiting ambulance and they were transported to the Pinedale Clinic.

Mesa’s eyes were cleaned and Tejeda was airlifted to Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center (EIRMC) in Idaho Falls.

Tejeda was listed in “serious” condition Monday afternoon, according to EIRMC spokesperson Nancy Browne.

Wyoming Game & Fish team investigated the scene of the attack Monday.

“We’ve heard this person has been injured and that’s our primary concern,” said G&F spokesman Mark Gocke. “We hope he’s all right.”

Gocke had no further information Monday but said G&F is participating in the investigation and more details will be forthcoming.

Bad Summer

Predators have heavily targeted sheep and cattle on Upper Green permitted grazing allotments this year, according to Thoman.

Most of the publicly confirmed predations are sheep killed by wolves but there are plenty of others in the mountains.

Thoman said she can’t put a number to their losses yet, not until the herds are gathered and brought back home.

“What they verify doesn’t match up, though,” she said of investigating agencies.

“The trouble is by the time you notify them, if they don’t get there within three or four days they can’t confirm,” she said, adding other animals will feed on the carcasses.

“We just have to put up with them,” she said. “They need to put them away. They’re just getting too thick.”

Thoman said most people don’t realize how heavy livestock losses are in the Upper Green and public land managers seem to not care – “I think they’re just trying to get rid of us (livestock ranchers).”

Thoman doesn’t plan on giving in to bears, wolves or public agencies lightly, she said. Thoman sheep have grazed on the same allotments since 1978 and her family began ranching before 1900.

“It isn’t like we just sprang up,” she said.

Predators

On Aug. 6, Wildlife Services confirmed a grizzly had killed two head of cattle in the Upper Green.

In a slew of late July and August attacks in western Wyoming, wolves killed dozens of sheep, a handful of cattle and a half-dozen guard dogs, according to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) reports.

Recent reports reveal lethal control efforts have removed 10 wolves to date from the Green River Pack and five from the Dog Creek Pack.

Thoman worries that wolves and bears have run the sheep around so much that right now without anyone up there to keep an eye on them, her herds could be scattered throughout the forest.

“I suppose we’ll be hunting sheep up there until Christmas,” she said.

No one from the Forest Service, which manages the grazing allotments, responded before press time.


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: attack; banglist; grizzly; predators; wyoming
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1 posted on 09/15/2009 2:27:57 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: george76; girlangler; Flycatcher; tubebender; GladesGuru

“Thoman said giving her sheepherders guns to shoot marauding predators isn’t a solution – “or we just have more trouble.””


2 posted on 09/15/2009 2:30:11 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

An S&W .44 Magnum Mountain Gun could have stopped this from happening.


3 posted on 09/15/2009 2:33:28 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: jazusamo

There’s the only guy around who was happy he was maced. Prayers up.


4 posted on 09/15/2009 2:34:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DarthVader

Yep, I’ll bet the sheepherder in the hospital would have rather had that than pepper spray.


5 posted on 09/15/2009 2:35:56 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Well, Mary... seems you’ve tried it without guns and have had increasingly “more trouble”.

Sounds like you need to rethink your plan now that you’ve continually had livestock and dogs slaughtered and employees hurt.


6 posted on 09/15/2009 2:36:18 PM PDT by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: Billthedrill

Amen! The guy is very lucky he survived.


7 posted on 09/15/2009 2:37:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
“Thoman said giving her sheepherders guns to shoot marauding predators isn’t a solution."

Grizzly Bears are not known to respond to harsh language.

8 posted on 09/15/2009 2:37:11 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: jazusamo

They should sue their employer for gross negligence.


9 posted on 09/15/2009 2:37:50 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Very well said. LOL!


10 posted on 09/15/2009 2:39:32 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Tamzee

The problem comes from the Feds. Killing wolves and grizzly bears even when protecting livestock can bring you harsh penalties. Both are federally protected.


11 posted on 09/15/2009 2:40:09 PM PDT by landerwy (Zero lied, 401k's died!)
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To: jazusamo

The eco’s who have taken over many DOWs arrest and fine ranchers who shoot bears that kill and eat their livestock.

Part of their plan.


12 posted on 09/15/2009 2:41:14 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: DarthVader
I'm thinking something more on the order of this...


13 posted on 09/15/2009 2:41:46 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Artemis Webb

The woman has to be insane to send an unarmed man and some dogs out to face off with bears or wolves.

Who allows this woman to graze up there. She seems not to have any sense whatsoever.

I don’t go out of my house onto the farm unarmed and we don’t even have bears, just coyotes and snakes.


14 posted on 09/15/2009 2:45:22 PM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yes it would as would a .454 Casull, .460 S&W, 500 AE or .458 Winchester Magnum.


15 posted on 09/15/2009 2:45:42 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: george76

You’re right, 30 years ago and before the state game depts were not infiltrated with econuts nor were the feds.


16 posted on 09/15/2009 2:45:52 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: DarthVader

I would prefer a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70 with Garrett’s 540 grain Hammerhead loads. Better penetration than a .458 Winchester with quick follow-up shots. Pretty stout grizzly medicine I think.


17 posted on 09/15/2009 2:46:20 PM PDT by technically right
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To: DarthVader

You need more penetration that that. A .416 Rigby ought to do the trick.


18 posted on 09/15/2009 2:46:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"You need more penetration that that. A .416 Rigby ought to do the trick."

If I was going on a deliberate grizz hunt, a .416 or .458 would probably be the right medicine. If I was a shepherd and packing strictly for the defensive "close encounter" I think I'd give the nod to a short lever action with a big hole in the muzzle.

19 posted on 09/15/2009 2:51:12 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I love the .416 Rigby but the .458 Lott is the ultimate killing round for big game. Best gun would be a CZ 550 Safari Magnum in either caliber. On my list of things to buy next year.


20 posted on 09/15/2009 2:52:12 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: jazusamo

WTF?


21 posted on 09/15/2009 2:54:00 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: jazusamo
“Thoman said giving her sheepherders guns to shoot marauding predators isn’t a solution – “or we just have more trouble.””

More trouble for her from the a$$hole game wardens who are trying to get more wolves and bears in places they shouldn't be, but maybe a lot less trouble for the guy who was hurt.


22 posted on 09/15/2009 2:55:40 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: landerwy

Sad, isn’t it, that bears and wolves are protected, while the people are not. (same thing goes for timber....we used to have a sawmill in Wyo.)


23 posted on 09/15/2009 2:55:46 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: jazusamo; Tamzee

The “trouble” she meant was probably with the state Fish and Game Dept. I’m sure these animals are protected up one side and down the other, and shooting one would probably land her employee and her in jail. State and Federal wildlife management systems are completely nutz when it comes to protecting predators...they are encouraging a revival of marauding, and the animals have lost their fear of humans.


24 posted on 09/15/2009 2:58:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: jazusamo

I bet the dead dogs and sheep would have other thoughts on this as well.


25 posted on 09/15/2009 2:59:49 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: DarthVader
I think my 45-70 could take the Grizzly down as well.
26 posted on 09/15/2009 2:59:58 PM PDT by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: Artemis Webb

Maybe the O can have a beer sumit with the grizzlies to reason with them to stay away


27 posted on 09/15/2009 3:04:22 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Just got up from Bedroomshire)
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To: livius

Yes, that’s it but people do have the right of self defense, the problem lies with having to prove self defense.


28 posted on 09/15/2009 3:05:18 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Sad, isn’t it, that bears and wolves are protected, while
the people are not.


But not a bit suprising in this politically-correct,
"save the planet" culture we've got to outlast.
29 posted on 09/15/2009 3:05:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: livius

“The “trouble” she meant was probably with the state Fish and Game Dept.”

Shot a grizzly, especially a COLLARED sow with a cub...
there aren’t enough lawyers in Christendom (or on the planet)
to save somebody from the wrath of the US guvmint and their bosses
in the environmental-extremist groups.

Even if it was transparently clear that the shooting was an absolutely
necessary act to save a poor shepard.


30 posted on 09/15/2009 3:10:54 PM PDT by VOA
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To: jazusamo
Sx3
31 posted on 09/15/2009 3:21:09 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Citizen Soldier
"Maybe the O can have a beer sumit with the grizzlies to reason with them to stay away"

LMAO

32 posted on 09/15/2009 3:31:21 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: jazusamo

A Saiga 12 with a drum and 3” slugs...Maybe some breach loads, expensive yes, but what is your life worth?


33 posted on 09/15/2009 3:34:41 PM PDT by waterhill (Zero, you suck..)
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To: jazusamo

Shoot, shovel and shut up.


34 posted on 09/15/2009 3:35:06 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Citizen Soldier

LOL! I’ll buy the beer.


35 posted on 09/15/2009 3:39:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: VOA
Shot a grizzly, especially a COLLARED sow with a cub... there aren’t enough lawyers in Christendom (or on the planet)to save somebody from the wrath of the US guvmint and their bosses in the environmental-extremist groups.

That was my thought too. I swear this is insane. I visit Spain and the government there stopped sheep ranchers (wool and meat are big products in Spain, where lamb is a popular meat) from shooting wolves. End result? Wolves are now coming down from the Pyrennes, the mountains in Northern Spain. They are suspected in a few deaths of elderly rural people who were out walking in the fields by themselves and were found torn apart and eaten, but the government always blames it on "wild dogs." But there are no packs of wild dogs there and everybody knows it's the protected wolves that did it.

36 posted on 09/15/2009 3:48:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: jazusamo

Exactly. No matter what people do, the government will say there is something they could have done other than killing the grizzly. I think we’re living in a completely psychotic upside down world.


37 posted on 09/15/2009 3:49:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: jazusamo

So long as the bullet holes indicate the predator is facing the intended snack, things are different than if the predator was shot facing in another direction.

If the bullet holes in the predator are congruent with the snack’s statement that “I feared for my life”, then regardless of the zealotry of the AgencyPersons, any criminal case filed would have to be dismissed.

The ranchers need to find a law firm willing and able to defend such cases. Only then may the predatory beast’s intended snack defend their life as necessary without the fear of criminal law suits by one of the jack booted Scumbos or Scumbalinas in the agencies.

Any employee sending employees into a fight with a grizzly bear with less than an appropriate bear gun is risking a whopper of a law suit.

Pepper spray is a vastly inferior predator repellent than is gunpowder.

Should any ranchers be interested in setting up such a legal defense team, please FR mail me.


38 posted on 09/15/2009 3:50:38 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: waterhill

Sorry, but the drum won’t handle 3” shells, unless you are referring to the metal drum.

That has a number of problems, according to the forum members.

The plastic drum is for 23/4” shells, and actually only handles 2.40 length shells. That means that even some 23/4 shells won’t fir. Some Wolf shells come to mind.

IMHO, the drum is best for nasty crowd scenes, riots in the Big Sh*tty, or a pack of wolves closing in.

PS Beware of Winchester Universal shells for practice. Supposedly, they wont reliable cycle the Saiga 12.

PPS Reliable 8, 10, and 12 shot mags are available for the Saiga 12. Do not use 3” max loads in the 12 shot mag, due to inertia. Cut it to 8 or 10 rounds.

Dixie makes a superb range of 12 gauge shells, some of which equal or exceed the old Paradox shells.


39 posted on 09/15/2009 4:00:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

BTTT!


40 posted on 09/15/2009 4:04:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Sad, isn’t it, that bears and wolves are protected, while the people are not. (same thing goes for timber....we used to have a sawmill in Wyo.)

People are expendable to the feds managing grizzly and wolves. We carry bear spray ini the woods AND A GUN. There are also mountain lions in that area.

41 posted on 09/15/2009 4:20:52 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: technically right
Better penetration than a .458 Winchester with quick follow-up shots.

That is if you're quick at pulling yourself up off the ground after the previous shot...

42 posted on 09/15/2009 4:25:07 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: MamaDearest

We’re having major mountain lion problems here. One got my cat, Dunbar, three weeks ago. My daughter teaches in Wyoming. They had to call all the kids in from recess last week because a lion was spotted near the playground.

I agree with the “shoot, shovel, shutup” principle.


43 posted on 09/15/2009 4:28:48 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Tamzee

Mary sounds like a real jerk...her sheep won’t last long and no shepards will apply for jobs with her. Hope she goes broke via terminal stupid..


44 posted on 09/15/2009 4:47:19 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Godzilla

The only trouble I see with your solution is you’d need a back hoe to dig the hole deep enought...My hubby had to bury a couple of dead goats when we were farming and that hold was 4 foot deep..the goat was buried the next day and had already bloated to twice her size...(it was middle of summer) and originally she probably only weighted about 65 pounds...


45 posted on 09/15/2009 4:51:10 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: GladesGuru

I wanted to load it with those flamethrower rounds, but that would not be too popular these days what with all the metrosexuals and all... Yet, again, I digress... a flaming blackie running through a tinderbox would be really unsafe.... Desert Eagle????


46 posted on 09/15/2009 5:05:38 PM PDT by waterhill (Zero, you suck..)
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To: Iscool

Yeah, I will admit that the recoil is a bit stout, but in the heat of combat it’s amazing what you can do when you think you’re gonna die.


47 posted on 09/15/2009 6:56:55 PM PDT by technically right
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To: jazusamo
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48 posted on 09/16/2009 4:26:24 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: DarthVader

I don’t know if you live in the Rocky Mountains? Many of us who have lived here for many years (35 plus) realize that grazing allotments always involve risk of predation. Some allotments are being eliminated or exchanged for ones located in areas with less predator populations. It makes no sense to respond to this unfortunate accident with anger or political ranting (other comments). If the sheepherders had guns perhaps they would have been able to defend themselves? You have to me a very accurate and fast shot. The adrenaline is bumping and the bear is moving at 35mph or more. Pretty terrifying. In Montana (where I live) some people have been able to ward off bears with guns and some people have had luck with bear spray. Perhaps the sheepherders should have been armed with both? I am a lousy shot so I opt for bear spray. Being a sheepherder is obviously a potentially dangerous line of work and I hope both men recover soon. I also feel badly for the financial loss to the rancher and the death of the dogs. I value wildlife and I value the hardworking people who work the land. There is no easy solution and I have not heard anyone advocating total extermination of bears, although I know a some people would like to get rid of wolves (another issue).


49 posted on 09/16/2009 11:36:02 AM PDT by STGP (STG)
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To: Citizen Soldier

"Hey Hussein, MORE BEER HERE!"

50 posted on 09/17/2009 1:11:52 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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