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Rare Coins: Family Treasure or Ill-Gotten Goods?[1933 Double Eagle]
The New York Times ^ | 15 Sep 2009 | JOHN SCHWARTZ

Posted on 09/17/2009 10:35:27 AM PDT by BGHater

Roy Langbord had guessed that someone in his family might have hidden away a great treasure decades before, but not until his mother had him check a long-neglected safe-deposit box did he realize just how great it was.

Inside the box, opened in 2003, he found an incredibly rare coin, wrapped in a delicate paper sleeve. It was a gold $20 piece with Lady Liberty on one side, a bald eagle flying across the other and, at Liberty’s left, the four digits that made it so valuable: 1933.

The famous “double eagles” from that year were never officially released by the government. Only a few had ever made their way out of federal vaults, and only one had ever been sold publicly, in 2002. The price: $7.6 million.

And there were nine more of them in the safe-deposit box.

But after the Langbord family took the coins to the United States Mint to be authenticated in 2004, they got a rude surprise. The Mint said the coins were genuine and kept them.

The government claims that they are government property stolen from the Mint, most likely in the 1930s, by Mr. Langbord’s grandfather, Israel Switt, a Philadelphia jewelry dealer.

The Langbords went to court and recently won an important ruling. A United States District Court judge has given the government until the end of the month either to give back the coins or go back to court to prove that they were in fact stolen by Mr. Switt, a daunting task after three-quarters of a century.


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TOPICS: History; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: bahog; coins; davidharsanyi; doubleeagle; fdr; gold; greatdepression; mint; numismatics; treasure
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1 posted on 09/17/2009 10:35:28 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Idiot.
The last people you being into confidence are cops, politicans and the federal government.


2 posted on 09/17/2009 10:36:30 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: BGHater

Lady Liberty looks pretty guilty. Yikes!


3 posted on 09/17/2009 10:37:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: BGHater

But after the Langbord family took the coins to the United States Mint to be authenticated


I think I would only take one in.....................


4 posted on 09/17/2009 10:38:51 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: BGHater

prove it feds.

or give them back.


5 posted on 09/17/2009 10:38:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: BGHater
Moral of the story. If the government wants something valuable of yours it will take seize steal it just as blatantly as any other armed robber. The case of the 1776 copy of the declaration of independence several years ago comes to mind.
6 posted on 09/17/2009 10:39:02 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Sherman Logan

they had a different standard of guilt back then!


7 posted on 09/17/2009 10:39:45 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: BGHater

Couldn’t there be some statue of limitation about this? It was in their possession...and they can’t prove that the present owners had stolen them...


8 posted on 09/17/2009 10:40:16 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: SJSAMPLE

Reminds me of a story I heard many years ago about a guy in Oregon who bought a sheet of stamps and noticed a major printing error. He went around showing off his discover and telling people how this could lead to him making big bucks and a local paper picked up the story and printed it. Within a month the government began printing millions of that stamp with that error reducing his once precious discovery to nothing more than a sheet of stamps.

And announcing you have 9 of them is not a real good idea either. If I recall there were only supposed to be two of the 1933 double eagles in existence and adding 9 more will knock that $7 million price down quite quite a bit.


9 posted on 09/17/2009 10:43:58 AM PDT by scory
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To: SJSAMPLE

INDEED.

Sigh.


10 posted on 09/17/2009 10:45:45 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: scory

I have dreams of a find like this.

One of my mother’s EIGHT brothers was a wandering, semi-homeless hermit type. He lived in a cheap hotel room and made his living fixing old broken radios. When he died in 1983, they found a stash of Krugerrands in a shoebox.

No historic value, but worth $250,000 in bullion value.
Split among the 10 living kids (those randy Polish Catholics).

That stuff never happens to me, but I’m keeping an eye on the kids’ great grandma. She can’t last forever.


11 posted on 09/17/2009 10:48:37 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: BGHater
In an interview, Ms. Frankel called Mr. Berke’s success in persuading the judge to shift the burden of proof onto the government in the case “quite an amazing accomplishment” that forces the government “to prove a negative — that the coins could not have gotten out legally.”

Uhh, I thought that was the way things were supposed to work.

"No person shall be ... deprived of ... property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

12 posted on 09/17/2009 10:51:11 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan
There have been several Lady Liberty's:

 

A personal favorite is 

http://images.elfwood.com/art/l/u/lukeprice/lady_liberty.jpg

13 posted on 09/17/2009 10:53:38 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: BGHater

Court order or not, he’s never getting his coins back.


14 posted on 09/17/2009 10:55:05 AM PDT by SandWMan ( A riot ist an ugly sing, und, I sink it's about time zat ve had vone!)
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To: BGHater

“took the coins to the United States Mint to be authenticated...”

Ooohhh... That was dumb.

Sad.


15 posted on 09/17/2009 10:59:50 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo

When word got out that he had them, believe me, our benevolent government would have sent the Brute Squad to confiscate them anyway...

But yes, it wasn’t the brightest idea...


16 posted on 09/17/2009 11:02:20 AM PDT by SandWMan ( A riot ist an ugly sing, und, I sink it's about time zat ve had vone!)
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To: Sherman Logan
It's not your property if you don't have title to it. And the title to an item that was stolen (if that's what happened) does not magically transfer itself to you just because a lot of time has passed.
17 posted on 09/17/2009 11:03:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: rovenstinez
You are evidently ignoring the sadly obvious fact that modern goobermint is only interested in the rule of law when THEY find it convenient.

The narrative in the story is one of theft, plain and simple. The 'lucky' finders of the coins were idiots to take ALL of them to the Mint.

Proper strategy: take (don't ship) 9 of them to, say, Nevis (which does not recognise civil orders of recovery from ANY other nation). Then, take the remaining coin to the Mint. Have the Mint issue an opinion of authenticity, and then have the remaining coins AND the opinion (or certification, perhaps) of authenticity auctioned by a reputable international auction house.

Oh, and don't forget to expatriate (lawfully) prior to the auction. This way, the coin stolen by the Mint effectively becomes just 'taxes paid'.

18 posted on 09/17/2009 11:04:18 AM PDT by SAJ (way too late to 'work within the system'. just about time for rebellion)
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To: 1rudeboy

In the US Code, only murder and treason are not subject to statute of limitations, iinm.


19 posted on 09/17/2009 11:06:27 AM PDT by SAJ (way too late to 'work within the system'. just about time for rebellion)
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To: 1rudeboy
It's not your property if you don't have title to it.

Do you have title to the US currency in your wallet? No? Then hand it over.

20 posted on 09/17/2009 11:06:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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