Skip to comments.How Did Dogs Acquire a "Guilty Look?"
Posted on 09/18/2009 3:06:19 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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What a cute baby.
he droop his head and turn and leave the room numerous insults were made on his way out.
yeah... he looked guilty all right
I saw a fascinating science show about dogs. What really got to me is that canines have the widest DNA diversity of any mammal which is why there are so many dog breeds. And that DNA diversity arrived long before dogs were domesticated. When they were still wolves. That got to me. Man’s best friend had the potential for the widest ranges of shapes, sizes, and colors long before they were Man’s best friend.
Gee, I always thought the look exemplified in the Helen Thomas photo was cackling evil, not guilt.
Please do not even think about comparing my beautiful, darling dog to that horrible, lying old harpy.
I know Shelly never appears “guilty” because she never does anything wrong! :^)
LOL you know cats well........
Beagles have perfected the sympathy act. That photo can be interpreted, “I know I just chewed up your new $129 Clark loafer but if I look at you like this you won’t hit me with that newspaper.
I’ve never seen proof that they feel guilt. When they believe you might be angry at them (they are masters at reading body language) they will try to show you they are not a threat, they will act like a puppy, try to look smaller, etc so you will not harm them. They do the same thing to a dog of higher status if they think that dog is going to hurt them.
People have a tendency to anthropomorphize way too much.
Too bad they are messing too much with some breeds. Some breeds have serious medical problems because of it. The poor old British bulldog has problems with breathing because of it.
Because we take care of their every need.
****** Good theory and in case of poo on the floor, that dog is right. But he knows he did something wrong, I could still go with guilt...
What a BABY. I could just squeeze her. I see she was tagged with a blue ribbon. Is she yours???
Patsy is a good dog!
I’ve done a search and I can’t find it, but in the past couple of days there was a posting about research showing that dogs are more attuned to action like humans than chimps because they have socialized with us longer.
I will take you to the woodshed for that!
Right after I wash out my eyes!
LOL many years ago had a dog named Mugsy...he would fart, stand up and give you a dirty look and walk out of the room...he never took the blame..
Woof , Woof, Woof!
Mommie, Mommie, Mommie!
Hey! That’s my dog!
Well, 12 years ago. Now she is all grow’d up!
Actually, I don’t think they are associating the act much after the fact. I once had a golden who was housebroken. I came into the hallway and there was a puddle on the floor. She was acting submissive and *guilty*. I told her she was a bad girl and cleaned it up. Shortly after that I found out one of my sons had spilled water on the floor. Why did the dog act like that? Perhaps because she knew if there was liquid on the floor she was going to get into some trouble.
And sadly, when I helped people train their dogs I saw a lot of bad things done to dogs in the name of “He knows he did wrong!”
I’m sorry, but if you leave the house and your dog has an accident and an hour later you come home and beat the snot out of him because you know “He knew he did wrong!” and he ever does it again there are two options. Either you’re totally wrong and your dog does NOT associate the punishment with the crime, OR your dog is an idiot. (I’m not talking to you Goat Granny, I’m just venting!)
Because they take care of ours. Nothing like a dog jumping on me to fix my attitude.
Actually, no, she was from a litter a friend of mine had. I went over and did a shoot of the puppies for her. What fun it was!
Leftist are incapable of shame so the never feel guilt. It is never their fault in their mind.
This is such a great thread. I feel better and I was not a good space.
Isn’t it sad they don’t stay like that....but get housebroken?
LOL, look at the eyes.
Oh, you’re right. But my dogs would be stupid to run away from home, they have it made here!
I have 2 dogs and have never hit either one...The human hand should not be associated with punishment....but I can stare them down and point to where I want them to go, and they go....Great companions. I am 70 and my dogs don’t care if I scrub my teeth first thing in the morning or wear PJ’s all day, I recently noticed something with my lab (that I have had for 10 years) that when she is wagging her tail and I talk to her, she wags her tail faster until I stop talking....There has to something in a voice that makes them happy enough to wag..
Positive reinforcement really gets better results, a friendlier dog and a happier dog.
We only have three commands when I am not kidding.
No Barking! (had to teach them how to bark first and then how to stop) Okay you did your job, you alerted us and if it doesn't stop, whoosh! No Barking! good boy or good girl
They run out the door after a squirrel, doing their natural job in life? No problem, Heal! or Sit!, Sit! Sit! - I find it saves the little babies lives and reinforce with good boy or good girl. that way they always respond to my command as nonnegotiable.
The other 40 some odd tricks they do pretty well but they are more for fun and relationship building and strengthening. Also gives them more confidence.
But always, smile and say “good boy or good girl”
Not preaching at you. This is for others. Oh and yes it is harder work to do it my way and takes longer but you and your dog will be better for it.
Guilt is part of a self correction that makes social animals better able to interact and cooperate.
My own dog does a guilt/submission by lifting his paw as if it were hurt, as in...
“you wouldn't beat/scold a dog with a hurt paw, would ya?”
That is a known wolf submission sign.
Clearly they want to please us, and clearly they like our country. But, who mentioned hitting? It is counter productive in training a dog.
BTW, do you have goats (I am fond of goats).
LOL sorry for my question about hitting, I now understand you were talking about the people I was training. Man, getting old is tough!
So cute, yum!
Why do they put up with us? They need us because we have opposable thumbs.
I have trained dogs for about 20 years, I do understand what works and what doesn’t. I have noticed that the trendy thing right now is positive only training, and it gets a lot of talk on my dog lists. I personally think there are times there need to be consequences, but I don’t really care how someone else trains, whatever works for them. I am just happy when people have a dog trained well enough for their own purposes. I will say that I have also noticed a trend toward dogs who are *obedience trained* but they are little monsters at home, doing things like counter surfing, etc. But, if their owners can live with it, it’s ok with me. :)
A dog is, by definition, a domesticated animal.
Sure, and by definition they are also guilty.
I was taught years ago, that a lifted paw is a sign of stress (something to watch out for when training—perhaps the dog is getting concerned because they don’t understand what you want for instance). But, probably different experts have different opinions on that stuff. I know if I read 10 books on dogs I will find they all differ in some things. Fascinating creatures, however.
Guess what? Owners are dumb, not the dogs. My oldest Grace Kelly is every bit as smart as the Collies we had as a child. She will do anything and loves to learn. Retrieves well except for that waling around the house twice thing but hey, it's my hang up not hers.
My other baby, Rex Harrison, a little lazy, not so quick on the draw, can do most the tricks and is 75% on command. Sometimes you get what you get.
But what a big baby! Cries if anyone leaves the house, the car or when he feels the ride should be over so we can go for that walk, he knows is coming.
Barks like crazy when anyone comes in and getter more controlled about taking the No Barking! thing.
Jumps up on me when I walk in.( I allow it) Jumps on my bed, jumps on the couch and rearranges everything until he is comfortable.(I don't care so long as nothing gets teeth on it)
Our favorite thing is to say in a high pitched voice “I want my mommy!” and he matches the tone. Sometimes all you have to do say it and he starts! But, hey, we taught him that and he only does it so long as we do it.
Weirdest thing about him: He nibbles at your hair as if to get mites or something. funny as hell.
Like I said, great dogs. One I trust off leash. The other? probably never.
Mine too! Big babies!
i really believe even Maxx thought some of them stunk sometimes...