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Report: Crabtree offer is reduced
Mercury News ^ | 9-15-09 | Daniel Brown

Posted on 09/23/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by Brookhaven

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I put this under culture, because there isn't a category for ego-driven, entitlement inpired stupidity.
1 posted on 09/23/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven

bttt


2 posted on 09/23/2009 10:45:27 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Brookhaven

Theres always arena football.


3 posted on 09/23/2009 10:45:45 AM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Liberals are terrible at math.)
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To: Brookhaven

The kid is getting bad advice from his agent.


4 posted on 09/23/2009 10:47:49 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Overtaxed Patriot

No there isn’t. The cancelled the season due to the economy.


5 posted on 09/23/2009 10:48:09 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Overtaxed Patriot

Not this year. The whole thing has gotten pretty funny, if the league agrees the Jets tampered Crabtree could prove to be one of the greatest picks ever, without even signing with the team he could turn into a first and a second in each for the next two drafts (maximum penalty for tampering).


6 posted on 09/23/2009 10:49:21 AM PDT by discostu (When I'm walking a dark road I am a man who walks alone)
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To: Cyropaedia

The kid is getting bad advice from his agent.


The rumor floating around is that another team has told him if he holds out and gets traded to them, they will pay him what he wants. Hence the 49ers tampering charge against the Jets.


7 posted on 09/23/2009 10:50:29 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Brookhaven

The worth of a thing is the price it will bring. Nobody is the bad guy here. He has every right not to work for a penny less than he thinks he is worth and the 69ers have every right to keep lowering their offer.

Of course, the fact that other teams can’t bid should be a crime, but that’s another story.


8 posted on 09/23/2009 10:51:22 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOP_Raider

What a sad saga this is....


9 posted on 09/23/2009 10:52:16 AM PDT by neodad (This tagline reported to flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: neodad

He should be paid exactly what the first receiver got - the guy at the Raiders. Crabtree’s better, and is suffering from Al Davis’s need for draft day attention.

I have him on my fantasy team. Please trade him to the Jets. I need a really good active receiver.


10 posted on 09/23/2009 10:56:11 AM PDT by KT22
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To: Brookhaven

I doubt Coach 50 would want him now in San Fran. He’s a team guy.


11 posted on 09/23/2009 10:56:51 AM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: NavVet

What would be the use of having a “draft” if players who are “drafted” could afterward tender bids from other teams? If that would be the case, then get rid of the draft completely and allow players to apply to any/all teams they wish (talk about the ensuing chaos of that system!!!!!)


12 posted on 09/23/2009 10:58:58 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Brookhaven

He can hold out and go into the 2010 draft, as he’s threatened. However, the 49ers will hold the rights to him until the day of the draft. That means he cannot speak with other teams, work out for them, or participate in the combine. Not the best strategy.


13 posted on 09/23/2009 10:59:17 AM PDT by edpc (Spay and neuter your liberals)
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To: Brookhaven

Good job, Niners. Hold firm.


14 posted on 09/23/2009 11:00:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA (This Revolution will be peaceful if possible; other than peaceful if necessary.)
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To: KT22

I think his hold out is proving Al was right to skip him. Maybe when he finally gets on the field he will prove to have better skills, but meanwhile he’s the most worthless player in the league because he won’t even get on the practice field. You should dump him, even if they signed him this afternoon he’ll be useless until late in the season.


15 posted on 09/23/2009 11:03:06 AM PDT by discostu (When I'm walking a dark road I am a man who walks alone)
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To: Brookhaven
The kid is getting bad advice from his agent

Yes, this is the issue. The kid has never caught a pass in the NFL and he wants a huge contract. Somebody has got into his head and convinced him that he's better than what he really is. He may be destroying his career before it even starts.
16 posted on 09/23/2009 11:04:48 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: ScottinVA

Disagree. The Niners were fortuante to land him at #10. They should pay him as if he were the #7 pick, which he would have been had a sane person (i.e. not Al Davis) been making the selection.

I think the Niners are being cheap.


17 posted on 09/23/2009 11:07:03 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: neodad

I’ve long said rookies should be offered a set amount for first year - maybe 250K - for one year - see what they do and then neogtiate after that year. Most of these kids comeout of college where, with the exception of the noted under the table money/deal offered by some schools, most have lived on pennies and suddenly are handed millions. Drugs, women, bad decisions - give them a decent amount to live on and see if they can really make the transition to the big leagues..... I’m disappointed by Micheal - I think he’s being greedy and also getting bad advice. Just shut up and play the damn game!


18 posted on 09/23/2009 11:08:02 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Two brave people did what thousands couldn't do to acorn.....bless you both!)
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To: KT22

I agree. The Niners should give him the same money the Raiders are paying the other guy.

He can’t be traded until he is signed.


19 posted on 09/23/2009 11:08:10 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: truthguy
He may be destroying his career before it even starts.

He's also going to find out that NFL defenders are bigger, stronger, and faster than the vast majority of the collegians he played against.

And that includes Oklahoma and Texas. Just ask Vince Young.

20 posted on 09/23/2009 11:08:41 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: edpc

And where would he get drafted anyway?

If I had a top 10 pick next year, I wouldn’t touch him. Heck, I’m not sure I’d touch him in any round now. Team chemisty counts as much as talent. No matter how far he falls, he’s going to want top 5 money and act like the team revolves around him.

As talented as Vick is, only two teams (Eagles and Bengals) seriously considered signing him. 30 other teams decided he wasn’t worth it no matter how talented he is.

In 2010 Crabtree could be the first 7th rounder demanding top 5 money.


21 posted on 09/23/2009 11:09:14 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I agree with you on the first point, but I don’t think he is being greedy.

BTW, I think college players should be paid. (And seriously, what IS a TX girl doing in PA?)


22 posted on 09/23/2009 11:10:04 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Brookhaven

You are right. This is where he is being stupid.

NO WAY he goes top 10 next year. A year out of football hurts. Remember Mike Williams (USC)?.


23 posted on 09/23/2009 11:11:28 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

I believe some college players ARE paid to play.... but I think the free education is their payment.


24 posted on 09/23/2009 11:13:53 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Two brave people did what thousands couldn't do to acorn.....bless you both!)
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To: Brookhaven; a fool in paradise

Receivers are a dime a dozen (on styreet corners in gay San Fran), and many a former sprinter have been trained and excelled at the job. Get this boy a bagging job at a supermarket.


25 posted on 09/23/2009 11:15:31 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Cyropaedia
The kid is getting bad advice from his agent.

Won't be too long before Crabtree is "under water", i.e. his market value drops below what his agent is fronting him while waiting for the contract to be signed.

The NFL's still a cash cow, but there may be a lock out in two years. That would be a really stupid move, IMO.

There'll be enough college football to keep the average fan happy. As for me, football's there to keep me occupied until college hoops begins.

Back to the topic: Crabtree needs to pull his head out of his rectum and take the $15-16 million guaranteed.

26 posted on 09/23/2009 11:18:29 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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This is a fairly high volume ping list

27 posted on 09/23/2009 11:19:36 AM PDT by scott says (Barack ODRAMA--the politics of Fear and Loathing)
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To: SoldierDad

You mean have the teams actually have to compete for players is a free market place. Imagine that.


28 posted on 09/23/2009 11:22:39 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Retired Greyhound

BTW, I think college players should be paid.

Ummm, most of them are being paid - via scholarships.

Crabtree is a prick, since arena season is cancelled he should play minor league, the dose of reality will hit really soon after he PAYS to play with a minor league football club.

No football team will touch him if he demands more than he is worth - I call it the Bozworth priciple.


29 posted on 09/23/2009 11:22:56 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: Cyclone59

Oh and I will also use the POS from Ohio State as an example: Who’s he playing for?


30 posted on 09/23/2009 11:25:40 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: Retired Greyhound
The Niners were fortuante to land him at #10. They should pay him as if he were the #7 pick, which he would have been had a sane person (i.e. not Al Davis) been making the selection.

I think the Niners are being cheap.


While I agree that Crabtree is better than Bey he was still drafted 10th. That's reality.

To suggest that players and teams should be tied to some arbitrary interpretation of reality opens the door for a bunch of really ridiculous nonsense:

"Well, we drafted you at 15 but that was a stretch. You're really a second round player so here's our offer comparable to the #45 pick. Take it or leave it."

"I know I was drafted at 16 but I'm as good as the number 1 guy (even though he's a QB and I'm a DB) so I want the same contract. . ."

Silly.

Crabtree was drafted at 10. His offer is a dollar less than the number 9 guy and substantially more than the number 11 guy.

That's all that matters. . . or all that should, tampering and bad advice aside.
31 posted on 09/23/2009 11:25:49 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Michael.SF.

From a news story:

You know you are a laughing stock when you become a Twitter “Trending Topic”. This is the case of Crabtree whose name is now synonymous with a few Trending Topics such as: #Crabtreed. An example of this: “The Judge wanted me to pay fines and court costs, but I “crabtreed” the offer and now I have a warrant out for my arrest.”

Another popular one was: #Crabtreechick. An example of this: “I met this “crabtreechick” at the club, she came back to my house and I thought we had negotiated all the terms to “seal the deal,” but she refused to “sign the contract.”


33 posted on 09/23/2009 11:29:09 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Retired Greyhound
The Niners were fortuante to land him at #10. They should pay him as if he were the #7 pick, which he would have been had a sane person (i.e. not Al Davis)

You can still say that after what has transpired?

Seems to me Al Davis's judgment regarding Crabtree is looking better all the time.

34 posted on 09/23/2009 11:29:41 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Where are are we going and how did I get in this hand basket?)
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To: NavVet

Yeah, that’ll work out real well for the sport. You’ll have a handful of teams that will survive the economics of that system, and the rest will disappear.


35 posted on 09/23/2009 11:29:46 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Michael.SF.

If I were Samurai Mike,I would go in front of the cameras and say:’I thought Crabtree wanted to play football;guess not.FUMC!’


36 posted on 09/23/2009 11:29:58 AM PDT by pistolpetestoys (Outside of a dog a book is a mans best friend;inside a dog it's too dark to read.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Disagree. The Niners were fortuante to land him at #10. They should pay him as if he were the #7 pick, which he would have been had a sane person (i.e. not Al Davis) been making the selection.

So the Raiders had picks 7, 8 & 9? Jeez, there's parity and then there's parity

37 posted on 09/23/2009 11:30:47 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Brookhaven
All NFL teams should hold firm to the principal of: If we do not have a signature when training camp starts, you're gone for the year.

Jamarcus Russell at Oakland, Crabapple at SF. I say F'm both.

The NFL (and college and HS and Pee Wee) should all stop making these guys into prima Donna's).

38 posted on 09/23/2009 11:30:54 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Where are are we going and how did I get in this hand basket?)
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To: Brookhaven
I put this under culture, because there isn't a category for ego-driven, entitlement inpired stupidity.

I added a keyword or two as well. :)

For those of you who think the 49ers should have paid this prima-donna-diva-wannabe-whiner what the idiot Al Davis over-paid for his earlier pick, I can only sadly shake my head.

I applaud the 49ers (for once) for sticking to their guns, and refusing to offer him more than the pick in front of him, and for reducing their offer with every passing game that this newbie misses.

If Crabtree thinks he can forego this year, and somehow get drafted HIGHER than 10th NEXT year (lots of good WRs in next year's draft class), he is dumber than any of us give him credit for.

He would be a risky first round pick for any team in next year's draft. I'd love to see him drop to the 3rd or 4th round. Who needs another me-first prima-donna wide receiver on their team?
39 posted on 09/23/2009 11:33:48 AM PDT by Horkster (Grrr.... I hate to see talent wasted on the ungrateful.)
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To: SoldierDad

Baseball survives without real salary caps. So did the NFL for a long time. If the league was worried about NY or LA being able to outbid Pittsburg, just institute revenue sharing amongst the teams, that way each team has the same amount of money available.


40 posted on 09/23/2009 11:34:28 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: NavVet

>>>You mean have the teams actually have to compete for players is a free market place. Imagine that.

Yes, it doesn’t get much more socialistic in sports than with the NFL. All teams share equally in television revenue, they all submit to a salary cap limiting how much they can spend, and the draft rewards poorer performing franchises.


41 posted on 09/23/2009 11:35:25 AM PDT by NC28203
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To: Retired Greyhound

The Niners are being prudent to not cave into the machinations of an untried player. Let this player prove his worth, then he can earn the pay he’s asking for. I’m sick of watching college players coming out of that system demanding money they have not earned.


42 posted on 09/23/2009 11:36:06 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

$20,000 a year for an education is not worth what elite football players bring to big schools. the NCAA is a travesty.


43 posted on 09/23/2009 11:36:59 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Filo

Sure, but since there isn’t a uniform system, those arguments can be entertained. The other 31 GMs would probably have taken him ahead of Bey.

I just think the Niners should consider that they were fortunate to get a Top 5 talent at #10 because of Al Davis senility.

That said...Crabtree is making a huge mistake, and will never see this much money again. This is a Juan Gonzalez with the tigers, or Juliana Margolis with ER miscalculation.


44 posted on 09/23/2009 11:37:41 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: NavVet

There’s no need to imagine that - it’s been how leagues have operated in the past - and it instantly turns into a fiasco. You need to understand that a league needs to be a collective to survive. It doesn’t work as a free market pure system. Do you honestly think the New York Yankees putting the Kansas City Royals out of business is the same thing as Mr. Jefferson outperforming and thereby running Random White Guy Dry Cleaners into the ground is the same thing?


45 posted on 09/23/2009 11:38:03 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: NavVet

Revenue sharing already exists.


46 posted on 09/23/2009 11:38:22 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Disagree. The Niners were fortuante to land him at #10. They should pay him as if he were the #7 pick, which he would have been had a sane person (i.e. not Al Davis) been making the selection.


Dan Marino was drafted what..21st, and in in the hall of fame.

Alex Smtih was drafted #1, and now sits on the bench.

Matt Ryan went #3. Maybe today Miami and St. Louis wish they had drafted him, but at the time they decided they should pass on him.

9 teams passed on Crabtree for a reason. He was a #10 pick.


47 posted on 09/23/2009 11:41:48 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Sure, but since there isn’t a uniform system, those arguments can be entertained. The other 31 GMs would probably have taken him ahead of Bey.

True, but as the Niners have said, if they entertain this type of crap this year than every future draft pick will pretend they are worth more than some guy 10 picks up.

I just think the Niners should consider that they were fortunate to get a Top 5 talent at #10 because of Al Davis senility.

They have which is why they offered one dollar less than the number 9 guy. They should, however, be (and are) mindful of the fact that they may have a bust. They paid Alex Smith a fortune a few years back. . .

That said...Crabtree is making a huge mistake, and will never see this much money again. This is a Juan Gonzalez with the tigers, or Juliana Margolis with ER miscalculation.

Exactly although he's probably sitting on an offer or two from teams like the Jets for next year's draft day. "Just sit and we'll pay you what the number 4 guy in 2010 gets.
48 posted on 09/23/2009 11:43:50 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Brookhaven
Has Crabtree even run a 40 yet? He was drafted without one due to his injury. If not and he drops a 4.6, his stock and $$$ will drop. Acting like a dope in my opinion.
49 posted on 09/23/2009 11:45:29 AM PDT by Shqipo (A whiff of blowback is in the air.)
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To: Shqipo

Honestly, it’s hard to feel sorry for a guy that is turning down millions for just a little more.

He could have taken the offer on the table, invested it in some conservative assets, and be set for life. Instead he’s risking that to get “just a little bit more”.


50 posted on 09/23/2009 11:49:04 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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