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The Kenyan BC and the footprint !!
09-28-2009 | neverbluffer

Posted on 09/28/2009 2:13:22 AM PDT by neverbluffer

The so called Kenyan Bith Certificate ogf Obama has a footprint at the bottom.

The one thing that bothers me to this day is this:

After the Lucas Smith Birth Cert. was publicized, there is not one single comment I can find from anybody regarding the Footprint and how it can disprove the birthers.

I have heard people say that all we have to do is match up Obama’s footprint and we have our evidence.

But, I have not heard anybody from the Obama camp state that it is not his footprint!!! Because it just might be.

This lack of discussion regarding the footprint leads me to believe it might actually be authentic.

Also, would Lucas Smith be so stupid as to risk obstruction of justice charges by signing an affidavit that the cert. is real, especially when it has an actual footprint on it that could be easily verified by Obama removing his sock?

What do others think?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: afterbirthers; antibirhers; barack; bc; birth; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; footprint; imom; obama; obroma; orlytaitz; president

1 posted on 09/28/2009 2:13:23 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: neverbluffer

?


2 posted on 09/28/2009 2:36:40 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: neverbluffer

I think that until somebody bothers to match it up to the Obamessiah, we won’t know.

He has the DOJ heavily into intimidating Judge Carter, and it really depends on his courage and bravery to pursue authentication of that document.

For me, it’s that simple. And I’ve already started praying for the safety of the judge in the event that he decides to pursue it.


3 posted on 09/28/2009 2:47:45 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: RowdyFFC
We are at a crossroads of our nation and our constitution. We can enforce the constitution and continue to be a proud and free nation, or we can cave in to PC, the left-wing and the dictitorial desiring elites and basically burn the paper our wise founders gave us 200 years ago.


4 posted on 09/28/2009 3:11:53 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Yes, we are at that crossroads.

One big problem is that we don’t know exactly the extent that government officials from all sides and branches are complicit in this fraud. We know that they are ALL hiding something from us about this man, both republicans and democrats, law enforcement (of course which is now run by the perpetratrator of the lie) so we’re rather SOL!

The people are strictly alone in this effort to enforce the Constitutional law by which presidents are allowed to sit in the White House. All we can do is stand ready to support those which are fighting to help us enforce it.

God bless, Orly Taitz, Phil Berg, Leo D’onoFrio, and all of those who are taking literal action to help us. May he keep them safe who wish to bring those complicit to justice.


5 posted on 09/28/2009 3:27:22 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: neverbluffer

Very interesting point.

It does make the anti-birthers look even more suspect than ever.


6 posted on 09/28/2009 3:45:31 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Liberals have neither the creativity nor the confidence to understand the truth of conservatism)
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To: neverbluffer

He’s been able to suppress or destroy all records of his childhood and his college days. He’s put a gag on all of his relatives and acquaintances. Suppressing just one footprint is chicken feed.


7 posted on 09/28/2009 3:58:30 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: neverbluffer

I think the footprint should become the next anti-obama Icon and poster-craze like the Joker Poster.


8 posted on 09/28/2009 4:14:52 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: neverbluffer

9 posted on 09/28/2009 4:21:12 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: neverbluffer

How accurate is a footprint as a means of identifying an adult?


10 posted on 09/28/2009 4:39:20 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: kidd

just as good as a fingerprint


11 posted on 09/28/2009 4:49:04 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: neverbluffer

12 posted on 09/28/2009 4:50:38 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: RowdyFFC

We’ve been praying for the safety of ALL on the plaintiff’s side and this court. D’Onofrio’s account of getting a filing to the SCOTUS was just plain scary.


13 posted on 09/28/2009 5:11:19 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: RowdyFFC
One big problem is that we don’t know exactly the extent that government officials from all sides and branches are complicit in this fraud. We know that they are ALL hiding something from us about this man, both republicans and democrats, law enforcement (of course which is now run by the perpetratrator of the lie) so we’re rather SOL!

Law enforcement agencies have Internal Affairs departments as watchdogs to deal with crime and corruption perpetrated within those agencies. So exactly what and where is "Internal Affairs" for the Federal government?

Or is that where the SECOND AMENDMENT comes in?
14 posted on 09/28/2009 5:34:32 AM PDT by thecraw (Follower of Jesus...American...Tennessean...Birther! You Betcha!)
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To: neverbluffer
What do others think?

I think that if you can't get hin to provide a birth certificate then you'll never get him to take off his shoe.

15 posted on 09/28/2009 5:38:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RowdyFFC
And I’ve already started praying for the safety of the judge in the event that he decides to pursue it.

And in the event the Judge decides not to? Then what?

16 posted on 09/28/2009 5:41:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: neverbluffer
"This lack of discussion regarding the footprint leads me to believe it might actually be authentic."

Well, of course! You've cracked the case!

17 posted on 09/28/2009 5:51:46 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Southern by choice ... American by the grace of God)
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To: neverbluffer
there is not one single comment I can find from anybody regarding the Footprint and how it can disprove the birthers.

I thought the same thing. It seems that a judge could issue an order for hussein to provide a footprint for comparison - IF there are still any judges left who are willing to enforce The Constitution.

18 posted on 09/28/2009 6:28:11 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - You Lie!!!)
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To: Safrguns

Excellent visual.


19 posted on 09/28/2009 6:29:25 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: neverbluffer

Odd that NO ONE (WND’s investigators, Orly’s contacts, or other agencies) have not simply contacted The Chief Administrator who is currently employed by the hospital ?
All they have to do is ask “did you sign this ?”

Plus, why hasn’t anyone come up with another BC from 1961 to see if other BCs from that era have footprints on them.... I agree that this whole thing is VERY puzzling.

Lastly, Lucas Smith has a very tainted past, which doesn’t help...but let’s hope it’s the real deal.


20 posted on 09/28/2009 7:43:11 AM PDT by rocco55
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To: neverbluffer
I have been wondering why the Lucas Smith doc has not been shot down yet. It may be bogus, but maybe good enough to crack the door open in Hawaii to prove its bogus.

That's all we want anyway. Access to our Natural Born Presidents Records. It is beyond ridiculous that we have not yet seem them.

21 posted on 09/28/2009 8:40:15 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Safrguns
Yes, we need something Iconic. A docudrama. Mike Moore style.

I think we need a tour to the Presidents Birth place. Offer a thousand dollars to the first person to find it and place a plaque on it.

Have people show up in Honolulu, asking for directions to the hallowed birthplace.

The kid who did the Acorn film could film this. Interviewing people as they come and go looking for the Birth place.

22 posted on 09/28/2009 8:56:46 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: thecraw

lol, I guess our weapon is supposed to be our vote, which is the only tool we have for removal...

We’re going to have to watch this process very closely in the days ahead. When a president can legally put $800,000 into an organization and literally hire people to sign up and vote for him, even that system is getting flawed. It’s just too easy to go down the telephone book and put names to documents, and then sign up football players residing in other states, and check out the names on tombstones.

Plus the number of ACORN workers employed by the local voter registration authority will run anything through as legitimate. How can we possibly police the voting process anymore for a fair election? Even if all voter authority employees were vetted for their attachment to political anti-American groups, they would just lie about it and there’s no way of tracking them down.

However I did see some signs in DC on September 25th...’WE CAME UNARMED.......THIS TIME! ROFL, I thought that was pretty kewl!


23 posted on 09/28/2009 8:59:44 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Then we just have to keep hammering and not let up...and we have to keep the faith that the guy will be removed in a peaceful process 1,208 days from now.

Or else we’ll have to invoke our second Amendment rights and take the country back! :)


24 posted on 09/28/2009 9:05:15 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: Safrguns

Well, that did it.
I’m heading to Best Buy for a new keyboard.


25 posted on 09/28/2009 9:09:13 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: rocco55
Odd that NO ONE (WND’s investigators, Orly’s contacts, or other agencies) have not simply contacted The Chief Administrator who is currently employed by the hospital ? All they have to do is ask “did you sign this ?”

WND did. Administrators at Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa refused to authenticate the record.

Plus, why hasn’t anyone come up with another BC from 1961 to see if other BCs from that era have footprints on them.... I agree that this whole thing is VERY puzzling.

WND did. They ones they found look nothing like Smith's.

Lastly, Lucas Smith has a very tainted past, which doesn’t help...but let’s hope it’s the real deal.

Even WND has raised the BS flag on Smith and they've entertained practically every other Birther conspiracy.

Plus, ever seen a BC footprint without so much as a single smudge?

26 posted on 09/28/2009 9:16:09 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: RebelTXRose
D’Onofrio’s account of getting a filing to the SCOTUS was just plain scary.

Was that the time he was followed by black helicopters and men in yellow hazmat suits?

27 posted on 09/28/2009 9:17:11 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: neverbluffer
Why should they go out of their way to claim that it's not BHO’s footprint on a highly dubious document allegedly smuggled out of Kenya after supposedly being obtained under false pretenses by an individual with a history fraud?

I just don't think that's high on their “to-do” list.

28 posted on 09/28/2009 9:58:46 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: RowdyFFC

“One big problem is that we don’t know exactly the extent that government officials from all sides and branches are complicit in this fraud.”

Or, BHO was born in Hawaii and this is all just paranoid fantasy.

Ask yourself which of those two options is the simpler explanation.


29 posted on 09/28/2009 10:06:08 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: rocco55
Maybe they have and the Chief Administrator flatly denied the validity of this thing. And this did not get reported because it did not support their premise.

But say the Chief Administrator publicly stated that the second Kenyan BC is a crock. Say that happened, would you recognize this second Kenyan BC as also being fraudulent?

Or would you start to think that the Administrator is in on the scam or otherwise being pressured?

30 posted on 09/28/2009 10:15:07 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo
Don't spoil our party , Ha Ha!!

Really, we all believe he was born in HI, but we want to see his certificate that was issued at birth in 1961, and any amendment(s) to that document(s).

When I go to the bar for a drink they want to see ID, even though my hair is starting to turn gray. It's routine.

When a Man is elected to command the US armed forces and executive branch, I am entitled to see his documents.

I am a natural born citizen. I would have absolutely no problems showing every document related to my birth if elected to the Presidency. Why cant he ??? I have only one document. I think he's got a bunch!!!!

31 posted on 09/28/2009 10:32:06 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

I wish it were so, but the legal structures to force this don’t seem to exist.

But I am optimistic that at least one US state will have this kind of legal requirement in place before the 2012 election.


32 posted on 09/28/2009 10:37:32 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: neverbluffer

Can you footprint a cloven hoof?


33 posted on 09/28/2009 10:40:16 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: PA-RIVER

Don’t spoil our party , Ha Ha!!
Really, we all believe he was born in HI, but we want to see his certificate that was issued at birth in 1961, and any amendment(s) to that document(s).

When I go to the bar for a drink they want to see ID, even though my hair is starting to turn gray. It’s routine.

When a Man is elected to command the US armed forces and executive branch, I am entitled to see his documents.

I am a natural born citizen. I would have absolutely no problems showing every document related to my birth if elected to the Presidency. Why cant he ??? I have only one document. I think he’s got a bunch!!!!


From Obama’s point of view, he posted the only birth certificate that he is ever required to show on the World Wide Web in June of 2008. That document says that he was born in the City of Honolulu, in the County of Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu, in the State of Hawaii on Friday, August 4, 1961 at 7:24 P.M. His birth was registered with the state of Hawaii on Tuesday, August 8, 1961 and two birth announcements appeared in the local Honolulu newspapers on Sunday, August 13th, 1961. The birth announcements came straight from the Department of Vital Records and not from friends or family members.

It is the responsibility of Obama’s political opposition to disprove that web posted information which has been subsequently verified by the Director of the state of Hawaii’s Health Department, the Registrar of Vital Records and the Director of Communications of the state Health Department.
It is not Obama’s responsiblility to provide any additional information.

The Attorney General of the state of Hawaii, Mark Bennett, (who is a Republican) has the authority to seek a subpoena for the original copy of Obama’s birth records under Hawaii law. Attorney General Bennett has not chosen to seek such a subpoena.
All of the state of Hawaii Health Department officials who have verified Obama’s vital records as authentic serve at the pleasure of the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle who endorsed John McCain for President and who spoke at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, MN.
I post this ONLY to show what the Obama opposition is up against.


34 posted on 09/28/2009 10:51:05 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: El Sordo
The legal forces are there, they just haven't been exorcised ... yet.

Have faith. Armed forces have cause and standing to see where this man is from, and the documents that support that declaration. I think we can all agree that that's only fair. That's why the case is still ticking in a California court. On it's face, its a fair request.

35 posted on 09/28/2009 10:52:24 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: El Sordo

I’m not much on paranoid fantasy’s or coincidence...

The man wouldn’t be spending millions to keep from releasing a $20 (tops) copy of his Original Certificate of Birth, which, especially as president, he could in less than a few hours.

But as far as I’m concerned, even from the day he was born he was never a natural born citizen. He was born a British subject (by the blood, which is what natural born meant when the Constitution was written) through his father’s Kenyan citizenship. He was never the son of two US citizens.

And he will never be acknowledged by this person as a legititmate president of the United States because he was never a natural born citizen as required by our Constitution.


36 posted on 09/28/2009 11:09:55 AM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: CheneyChick; Velveeta

>>> Excellent visual.

Ah thanks!... I worked SO HARD on that... hehe.


37 posted on 09/28/2009 11:10:38 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: kidd
Usually not very accurate, according to this FBI Bulletin. From what I've read, most hospitals overink the foot, rendering the print fairly useless. Properly done prints have been used to prove identity.
38 posted on 09/28/2009 11:24:28 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: neverbluffer

With the millions of press photos out there on Obama, might there be one of him on vacation sitting with his feet up in a beach chair?


39 posted on 09/28/2009 1:24:02 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Drew68

Doesn’t replying to these message detract from your worshipping mr. pretty teeth ?


40 posted on 09/28/2009 2:29:39 PM PDT by rocco55
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To: Safrguns

YES INDEED ! This wins “Visual of the week” HANDS DOWN !

If our lovely media wasn’t under a GAG order, they could probably promote this !

Well, we here at FR appreciate it nonetheless !

Thx...made my day !


41 posted on 09/28/2009 2:59:31 PM PDT by rocco55
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To: El Sordo

I don’t know...if it’s a fraud, why haven’t the LEFT debunked it yet ?

but I “DO” know that anyone that spends 1 million dollars hiding his past and locks his frigin’ birth certificate in a vault BY COURT ORDER as well as his college records BY COURT ORDER (!) and claims to be TRANSPARENT is not playing with a full deck of cards !

That’s a NO BRAINER for people who don’t judge others by how white their teeth are and how well they read from a teleprompter — after all, we do have 57 states, right ?


42 posted on 09/28/2009 3:07:11 PM PDT by rocco55
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To: RowdyFFC
’WE CAME UNARMED.......THIS TIME!'....How can we possibly police the voting process anymore for a fair election?

Yep that was a great sign, and I remember seeing that while at the march...As for policing the election, do we as "regular folks" have the equivalent of the New Black Panthers to stand outside of polling places and intimidate voters? Will they let us march outside with our "right-wing terrorist" signs?? (LOL)
43 posted on 09/28/2009 4:26:45 PM PDT by thecraw (Follower of Jesus...American...Tennessean...Birther! You Betcha!)
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To: thecraw

No, I don’t think we need to be intimidating the voters, but I do think we should go back to verifiable paper ballots from a polling place. I think we need to get out of the business of mailing out ballots.

I think people should have to go to the courthouse and present ID to prove up their registration. Having people like ACORN registering voters willy nilly on the streets is absurd.


44 posted on 09/28/2009 7:24:57 PM PDT by RowdyFFC (Nancy Pelosi...please deny her any health care....)
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To: RowdyFFC
I think people should have to go to the courthouse and present ID to prove up their registration

Amen to that one! That's certainly a pet peeve of mine, how the "disenfranchised" (bless their hearts) folks claim discrimination, racism, and profiling when required to present a photo ID (how shameful of us to ask! ;-))

Bottom line, guaranteeing the integrity of the election should trump EVERYTHING! All states should absolutely require photo ID to vote!

Yes, yes, I know.........


45 posted on 09/28/2009 7:43:54 PM PDT by thecraw (Follower of Jesus...American...Tennessean...Birther! You Betcha!)
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To: Drew68
WND did. They ones they found look nothing like Smith's.

What they found were government records, Smith's certificate purports to be from the Hospital. The seal is of the hospital, not the government per se. The signature on the copy is that of a Hospital official, not a government head clerk.

WND's documents were all from the Kenya Colony. Mombasa, was in the Kenyan Protectorate. That had different history, and technically belonged to the Sultan of Zanzibar in '61, but was under British Protection. The colony and the protectorate did not become part of the same governmental entity until Independence, which was after '61 by a couple of years.

I don't know if it's real or not, but the typical critiques are off the mark.

46 posted on 09/28/2009 10:20:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: rocco55

“if it’s a fraud, why haven’t the LEFT debunked it yet ?”

The same reason that NASA doesn’t feel any great need to de-bunk moon landing denial?


47 posted on 09/29/2009 9:48:53 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo

So, let me get this straight, the Nordyke twins (born in HI the DAY AFTER OBAMA) have made copies of their long form birth certificates available for the WORLD to see, but Obama, who has issued the following statement proclaiming “transparency” and “openness” INSISTS that he (having the most powerful position on earth) maintain SEALED documents regarding his identity, place of birth and the parents listed on his BC. Here’s his quote:

“My (Obama’s) Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness (’open’ is antithesis of ‘hidden’), as in birth records, passports, medical history, college records, etc.) in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, (transparency - as in being able to SEE a ‘real’ birth certificate, for example ) public participation, and collaboration. Openness (Translated CONCEALMENT in Democratic dictionary) will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government. Government should be transparent (translated ‘secretive, hidden’ ). Transparency (well, yes, TRUE transparency) promotes accountability and provides information for citizens (hmmm...interesting phrase-PROVIDE INFORMATION TO CITIZENS ! ) about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose (disclose - reveal, show, hmmm....interesting word ?) information rapidly (RAPIDLY -Hmmm....We’ve only been asking for the BC for a YEAR now ! ) in forms that the public can readily find (well, kinda hard for the “public” to READILY FIND ‘ANYTHING’ when it’s all HIDDEN and SEALED -— hellooooo????) and use.

“DISCLOSE INFORMATION, OPENNESS, TRANSPARENCY. PROVIDE INFORMATION TO CITIZENS”

Let’s see -— aforementioned docs are SEALED (that is, NOT disclosed, in case you have trouble with the English language) by court orders and your ‘defending’ this outright hypocrisy ... do the words “check up from the neck up” ring a bell ?


48 posted on 09/29/2009 12:00:58 PM PDT by rocco55
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To: rocco55
Yeah, he lies. A lot.

He promised transparency, and he's not giving it.

Only a fool would have believed that he would do so.

I can't say I'm surprised, but that doesn't change anything.

49 posted on 09/29/2009 1:00:43 PM PDT by El Sordo
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