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Hobbit species may not have been human
The Australian ^ | 30 Sep 2009 | Cheryl Jones

Posted on 09/30/2009 8:51:41 AM PDT by BGHater

AFTER five years of arguments over the so-called hobbits, the University of New England paleoanthropologist who formally described the tiny new hominin species from the Indonesian island of Flores is facing another wave of controversy.

This time, Peter Brown could raise the ire of some of the scientists who supported him in an academic debate that degenerated into an international scandal.

Brown, who initially placed the species in the human genus Homo and named it Homo floresiensis, is considering stripping the hobbits of their human status.

More remains have been found, and the species is now represented by six to nine individuals, depending on how the partial skeletons are put together. The skeletons range in age from 17,000 to 95,000 years.

And a big body of research, including Brown's own, since the publication of the first papers on the find has forced a rethink of his initial classification.

In a paper accepted for publication in an upcoming special Homo floresiensis edition of the Journal of Human Evolution, Brown and colleague Tomoko Maeda, also of UNE, say the hobbits' lineage left Africa "possibly before the evolution of the genus Homo". (The root of the human family tree stretches back about two million years to Homo habilis, or Handy Man, in Africa.)

Brown says assigning the Flores hominin to a different genus would worry some scholars. "They will think it somehow marginalises Homo floresiensis; that it's a clear statement that it is not a member of our genus, and it's extinct, so we don't have to worry about it any more," he says. "That's nonsense, because it's part of the broader evolutionary story of our species."

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: flores; godsgravesglyphs; hobbit; homofloresiensis; indonesia; multiregionalism

1 posted on 09/30/2009 8:51:42 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


2 posted on 09/30/2009 8:52:01 AM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: BGHater

I think this may mean that Donna Shalala and Robert Reich were never eligible to serve in the Federal government.


3 posted on 09/30/2009 8:52:45 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: BGHater
is considering stripping the hobbits of their human status.

Had Frodo known about this I'm sure he would have kept the ring instead........

4 posted on 09/30/2009 8:54:17 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: BGHater

"You people are just so insulting."

5 posted on 09/30/2009 8:54:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Short People got no reason...


6 posted on 09/30/2009 11:10:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It's a small world after all...

Chinese dwarves set up their own village (Metro.co.uk ^ | September 29, 2009 | staff)

7 posted on 09/30/2009 11:17:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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8 posted on 09/30/2009 3:45:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
I am agnostic about the the whole creationist vs Darwinist arguement. Taxonomy, classification of finds, is a tautology, if A looks like B, then B is a descendant of A, it burns my brain.

I have been reading this stuff for over fifty years and the truth bell has not rung.

9 posted on 09/30/2009 4:04:26 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill; SunkenCiv
I have been reading this stuff for over fifty years...expect more stuff to read the next fifty years, like this:

The announcement of a new species, Homo floresiensis, a primitive hominin that survived until relatively recent times is an enormous challenge to paradigms of human evolution. Until this announcement, the dominant paradigm stipulated that: 1) only more derived hominins had emerged from Africa, and 2) H. sapiens was the only hominin since the demise of Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis. Resistance to H. floresiensis has been intense, and debate centers on two sets of competing hypotheses: 1) that it is a primitive hominin, and 2) that it is a modern human, either a pygmoid form or a pathological individual. Despite a range of analytical techniques having been applied to the question, no resolution has been reached. Here, we use cladistic analysis, a tool that has not, until now, been applied to the problem, to establish the phylogenetic position of the species. Our results produce two equally parsimonious phylogenetic trees. The first suggests that H. floresiensis is an early hominin that emerged after Homo rudolfensis (1.86 Ma) but before H. habilis (1.66 Ma, or after 1.9 Ma if the earlier chronology for H. habilis is retained). The second tree indicates H. floresiensis branched after Homo habilis.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJS-4WTYXVS-1&_user=10&_coverDate=07%2F23%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=d40a21a61155888f194e3a4e8592a3fc

10 posted on 09/30/2009 4:47:12 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: BGHater


11 posted on 09/30/2009 4:59:05 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Little Bill

It’s like a scene years ago on the series “LA Law”; Susan Dey’s character was arguing with the other attorney, and they were called into chambers (which happened a lot on that show, it seems to me) where the judge reminded them that the practice of law isn’t about truth, justice, or facts, it’s about advocacy. ;’)


12 posted on 09/30/2009 5:02:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Reeses

“Estrada!”


13 posted on 09/30/2009 5:02:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: AdmSmith

Thanks AdmSmith.

http://anthropology.si.edu/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html


14 posted on 09/30/2009 5:03:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: AdmSmith
Good Lord that is a jaw breaker, thank God, I went to a Government College before they went South.

You post sounds like a diversity seminar at EXELON, EXC on the NY Stock Exchange.

15 posted on 09/30/2009 5:09:21 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: BGHater
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16 posted on 09/30/2009 7:56:17 PM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Workday Forecast--Increasing pressure towards afternoon. Rum likely by evening.)
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To: SunkenCiv; BGHater; All

Perhaps the Hobbits were from the Lucy branch of evolution?


17 posted on 09/30/2009 10:12:14 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv

Hobbits aren’t human? Whoever thought they were? I mean, Frodo? C’mon.


18 posted on 10/01/2009 12:31:43 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: TheOldLady

“...Nosethingers.” “NoseFINGERS!”


19 posted on 10/01/2009 7:10:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: gleeaikin

That means they’re also descended from the Ricky branch! Egad!


20 posted on 10/01/2009 7:54:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

21 posted on 10/02/2009 6:20:51 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: SunkenCiv

I have known many Lawyers and a few Judges over the years, growing up as a Masshole, some were good most reflected that judges attitude, God Help The Republic.


22 posted on 10/02/2009 11:15:41 AM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill

Shakespeare was right. ;’)


23 posted on 10/02/2009 8:45:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: TheOldLady

This was predicted by Nostrildamus.


24 posted on 10/02/2009 8:54:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wouldn’t thumb my nose at him!


25 posted on 10/03/2009 8:34:04 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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