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Historical Dictionary of Ian Fleming’s James Bond released in US
CommanderBond.net ^ | 04 Oct, 2009 | Written by Devin Zydel

Posted on 10/04/2009 5:12:04 PM PDT by Perdogg

Fusing together entries on Fleming’s famous 00-agent and detailed information on cases of espionage, real-life spies, MI5, SIS, CIA, KGB, and others, Historical Dictionary of Ian Fleming’s James Bond asks the question: What proportion of Fleming’s output is authentic, and what comes directly from the his imagination?

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 007; astonmartin; bond; bondjamesbond; bookreview; galore; hollywood; ianfleming; jamesbond; licensetothrill; mi6; shakennostirred; shakennotstirred; uk
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1 posted on 10/04/2009 5:12:05 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clemenza
James Bond ping - I wonder if plagiarism is defined LOL!


2 posted on 10/04/2009 5:15:07 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

I’ll be heading over to Amazon for this. Thanks for the post.


3 posted on 10/04/2009 5:17:07 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

I just bought the “Battle for Bond” - look that one up.


4 posted on 10/04/2009 5:18:00 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: devolve
[What proportion of Fleming’s output is authentic, and what comes directly from the his imagination?]

Will come back later to read comments.
I did find an interesting site one time about Ian Flemming and his thoughts about his James Bond character.

He did not consider him a ‘good’ person. Too many vices.

5 posted on 10/04/2009 5:18:54 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Perdogg

That gun in the picture looks exotic but isn’t it a Walther Air Pistol?


6 posted on 10/04/2009 5:19:00 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: potlatch

If James Bond were a real agent he would have his clearance taken away for drinking waaay too much. At the beginning of Thunderball, Bond said he was up to 60 cigarettes a day.


7 posted on 10/04/2009 5:23:53 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: potlatch

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Interesting

The first Bond films were made on a shoestring

In “Dr. No” the Sunbeam Alpine that 007 drove was an inexpensive local rental

James Bond films made tremendous profits


8 posted on 10/04/2009 5:25:43 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: yarddog

I never knew that, but a little research says that it is:

“The famous pose of Sean Connery holding a gun across his chest had to be redone at the last minute. The Walther PPK was left at the studio, but the photographer had an old air pistol in his car. The gun in the picture is the air pistol.”

One website identifies it as a Walther LP53 air pistol.


9 posted on 10/04/2009 5:28:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Perdogg

“The battle for the soul of Thunderball”

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3099637.ece


10 posted on 10/04/2009 5:29:32 PM PDT by seton89
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To: Perdogg

“If James Bond were a real agent he would have his clearance taken away for drinking waaay too much.”

You think so? I remember reading in one of Victor Marchetti’s books that alcoholism was seen as a common “occupational hazard” in the CIA and heavy drinking was pretty much the rule rather than the exception for field agents. Maybe the Brits took it more seriously?


11 posted on 10/04/2009 5:30:52 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: devolve
We all liked the James Bond books and movies, no doubt.
He was a killer.

Wish I had the url to the site I spoke of. It was quite long. Since Ian Flemming didn't ‘admire’ the Bond character you could ‘think’ he might have based it on an actual person.

Otherwise, he was indulging his fantasies, lol.

12 posted on 10/04/2009 5:35:18 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Perdogg

But you never saw him drunk in a movie, as I recall.
Three packs a day, chain smoker!


13 posted on 10/04/2009 5:36:40 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: devolve

I always thought “Dr. No” was the best of all the Bond films. It was also by far the closest to the book in fact some of the dialogue was taken word for word from the book.

The next few didn’t stray too far from the books but the last twenty or so have had no connection at all to them. They also have all been awful. More cartoons than real stories.


14 posted on 10/04/2009 5:47:02 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: potlatch

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Fleming did not want Sean Connery to play 007

After the film was made he admitted Connery was James Bond

A amusing note is that personally Ian Fleming preferred American cars - like his T-Birds and his Studillac


15 posted on 10/04/2009 5:58:38 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

Ian Fleming, “Thrilling Cities”


16 posted on 10/04/2009 6:04:30 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: devolve
[Studillac]

Does that have a Studebaker front and a Cadillac back, or vice versa, lol?

What you wrote was probably in the article I read. Connery was the best Jame Bond.

17 posted on 10/04/2009 6:05:02 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: seton89

I wonder what was in that letter?


18 posted on 10/04/2009 6:07:41 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: yarddog; devolve
The novel Dr No is much better than movie. In rereading all of Fleming novels I feel that Fleming should have hired a proof reader. Apparently he was under a lot of pressure to get a novel out, and he eventually started to steal from himself.
19 posted on 10/04/2009 6:11:11 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: potlatch

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Fleming had a custom 50s hotrod

A Studebaker Coupe - with a mucho bigger Caddy engine installed

I’d say it was painted black - he liked fast sporty black cars

I imagine we both read some of the same sites

In the “Goldfinger” book - 007 drove an Aston-Martin DB3 (not a BB5) - the girl drove a Truimph TR3 (not a Mustang)


20 posted on 10/04/2009 6:13:36 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Boogieman

Things were alot different back then.These days are so politically correct.Well for some people anyway.


21 posted on 10/04/2009 6:14:10 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: devolve
Fleming only liked Connery after his girlfriend told him that women would find Connery sexy.
22 posted on 10/04/2009 6:16:43 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: devolve
[A Studebaker Coupe]

Not the fanciest of cars, lol. Surprising choice.

23 posted on 10/04/2009 6:18:32 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: imahawk

Yes everything is PC today. One of the most obvious in Bond movies is “red headed” Felix Leiter is now a Black man. Also “M” the steely eyed old Navy Captain is now a woman. Actually I guess that is pretty realistic now.

One of the worst things some of the movies did was try to make the Soviet Union and Western spy agencies as equals, one being just as bad as the other, sort of Spy vs. Spy with the KGB head as a genial nice guy.

Absolute PC nonsense!


24 posted on 10/04/2009 6:19:43 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: potlatch

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The original Studie Starlight Coupe was a revolutionary body design

The later “Hawk” models had fins

Studebaker Starlight coupes still set modified top speed records at Bonneville and the Starlight is a favorite of customizers


25 posted on 10/04/2009 6:23:51 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: yarddog

Felix Leiter was “sandy haired” Texan.


26 posted on 10/04/2009 6:30:29 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: devolve

Fleming decided after Connery had won the role to give Bond a Scottish background which he wrote into On Her Majesty’s Secret Service (one of the last novels). Fleming passed away shortly after in 1964.


27 posted on 10/04/2009 6:30:51 PM PDT by xp38
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To: devolve
1953


28 posted on 10/04/2009 6:31:00 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: yarddog

Oh that began when they scripted From Russia with Love. The book has the Russians as the bad guys the movie shifts the bad guys over to the fictional Spectre.


29 posted on 10/04/2009 6:34:44 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Perdogg

I read all the books back in the 60’s or maybe early 70’s in paperback. I would have sworn Leiter was described as red headed but as soon as I read your post, it hit me that you were right.

Also had forgotten the part about his being a Texan but you are right about that too. Also recall him (Leiter) saying he was an ex-Marine and Bond being impressed.


30 posted on 10/04/2009 6:38:34 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

You nailed that for sure.


31 posted on 10/04/2009 6:48:27 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: xp38

Actually the Russians were the bad guys up through the beginning of “Man with The Golden Gun”. In “You Only Live Twice” Bond was sent to Japan for mission against the Russians. SMERSH agents and Eastern Bloc defectors were made up most of SPECTRES army in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, and the Russians were helping in two other Bond Novels where I don’t want to give it away.

In fact , the original teleplay for “Thunderball” involved Russians stealing nukes, but then it was changed to the Mafia and when “Fleming’s book” came out it was Spectre.


32 posted on 10/04/2009 6:54:53 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: potlatch
Does that have a Studebaker front and a Cadillac back, or vice versa, lol?

Studebaker body with Cadillac mechanicals

And yes it was a real car

33 posted on 10/04/2009 7:47:00 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the veal.)
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To: Oztrich Boy; devolve

Thanks, neat graphic. devolve posted about the Studebaker with the Cadillac engine above in post #20.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2354871/posts?page=20#20


34 posted on 10/04/2009 7:52:06 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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Aha!

Mucho customized ‘53 Starlight Coupe

Straighten out the top of the fender lines -

Bingo! ‘55-’57 T-Bird side views

The low sloping hoodline and downplayed grill/engine air intake was truly ahead of it’s time

If the headlights were angled, Frenched, covered like a ‘53 ‘Vette you might be looking at a Ferrari GTB coupe

If that Studie had been made in a convertible model it would have been a winner too


35 posted on 10/04/2009 10:52:28 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: potlatch; Oztrich Boy


Great pix!

I'm missing relies on this Ian Fleming thread

Sorry all

I had/have a whole series of Bond webpages, graphics, music

I badly indexed them in several /FOLDERS/

I will attempt to link some as Bond threads pop up on Free Republic

007



36 posted on 10/04/2009 11:07:17 PM PDT by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . . Barack Hussein Obama mmm mmm mmm . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: potlatch

That is why, of course, he is such an interesting character.

If you read the books, the picture of Bond is of a womaniser, a drinker, a dedicated but utterly ruthless individual. He’s a complete SOB not to put to fine a point on it.


37 posted on 10/05/2009 3:20:24 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: yarddog
also, In Fleming's second novel Live and Let Die, the original draft had Leiter being killed.
38 posted on 10/05/2009 4:40:26 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Vanders9
Bond killed in the line of duty when he had to. However, he was not a soulless assassin as the movies would have you believe. He did enjoy women, but only after the job was done. He was a heavy drinker. There is a scene in the novel "The Man with The Gun" he has a beer in the morning then a bourbon. He refers to the bourbon as the "real first drink" of the day.
39 posted on 10/05/2009 4:46:37 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Boogieman; fieldmarshaldj

This section takes an in-depth look at the literary James Bond’s drinks of choice. Here is the total number of drinks consumed by Commander Bond in Ian Fleming’s novels and short stories:

Drink Type Number

Bourbon whiskey 37
Sake 35
Champagne 30
Scotch and soda 21
Vodka martini 19
Straight scotch 17
Gin martini 16
Undetermined 14
Beer 12
Brandy and soda/ginger ale 12
Red wine/Chianti 11
Bourbon and branch water 10
Brandy or Cognac 8
Vodka and tonic 8
Bourbon and soda 7
Gin and tonic 7
White wine 7
Americano 6
Raki 5
Undetermined martini 5
Old Fashioned 4
Enzian 3
Stinger 3
Canadian whiskey 2
Korn Schnapps 2
Ouzo 2
Straight vodka 2
Undetermined whiskey 2
Black Velvet 1
Calvados 1
Irish Coffee 1
Marsala 1
Negroni 1
Pink gin 1
Rum 1
Slivovic 1
Steinhäger 1
Vesper martini 1

Total: 317


40 posted on 10/05/2009 5:06:15 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: potlatch

Felix Leiter and Bond take the Studillac up to Saratoga Springs to the races and the sulfur baths in one novel .. I think it was the Harlem/Caribbean drug smuggling thingie ... cant remember the name of the book just now


41 posted on 10/05/2009 5:46:59 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
It was Diamonds are Forever. Bond had to payoff a Jockey who threw a horserace.
42 posted on 10/05/2009 6:06:35 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Elle Bee
You are thinking of Live and Let Die the movie. There was no drug angle in any of the novels, just Risico the short story..
43 posted on 10/05/2009 6:08:38 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: potlatch

I can’t post pictures, but these are pretty spiffy.

http://www.1956goldenhawk.com/diffhawk.htm


44 posted on 10/05/2009 6:51:32 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Perdogg
you're correct I'm confusing the - ugh - movie Live and Let Die with the with the book Dimonds Are Forever

They drive up to Saratoga Springs in Leiter's Studalack

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45 posted on 10/05/2009 7:18:13 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Perdogg; Clemenza

Here in the films they make you believe all he quaffs are variations on the martini. Bourbon whiskey doesn’t quite have the same ring to it. I’m surprised Sake appears as his #2 preference. Drinking a hot alcoholic beverage seems... bleh (of course, I don’t drink, so...).


46 posted on 10/05/2009 7:58:11 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Boogieman

After seeing that roster of adult beverages he consumed, I’m surprised his liver didn’t hoist the white flag. The real JB would’ve been done in by cirrhosis, if not a bullet, before he made 50.


47 posted on 10/05/2009 8:00:18 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: yarddog

What was funny was seeing the SPECTRE thug from FRWL suddenly become the warm and cuddly General Gogol before long. =8-0


48 posted on 10/05/2009 8:04:08 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You have to remember that You Only Live Twice is the novel after OHMSS, Bond is still an emotional wreck, then he is sent to Japan.


49 posted on 10/05/2009 8:13:57 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The beginning of Thunderball is where all of these issues are addressed. The part, apparently, was based on Fleming's experience and was not as result of the McClory-Whittingham-Bryce-Fleming screenplay.
50 posted on 10/05/2009 8:19:11 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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