Skip to comments.Scientist re-creates Turin Shroud to show it's fake
Posted on 10/08/2009 10:14:43 AM PDT by Nikas777
Scientist re-creates Turin Shroud to show it's fake
updated 3:41 p.m. EDT, Wed October 7, 2009
By Richard Allen Greene CNN
(CNN) -- An Italian scientist says he has reproduced one of the world's most famous Catholic relics, the Shroud of Turin, to support his belief it is a medieval fake, not the cloth Jesus was buried in.
Luigi Garlaschelli created a copy of the shroud by wrapping a specially woven cloth over one of his students, painting it with pigment, baking it in an oven (which he called a "shroud machine") for several hours, then washing it.
His result looks like the cloth that many Christians through the centuries have believed is the actual burial shroud of Jesus, he told CNN.
"What you have now is a very fuzzy, dusty and weak image," he said. "Then for the sake of completeness I have added the bloodstains, the burns, the scorching because there was a fire in 1532."
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If the Shroud is a man made image it is of high quality work and a technology that was not found in the West. I think exposure to light through painted glass is how it was done - and the Byzantines had the craftsmen and technology for such a thing.
This phony application of “science” has already been ruled out:
Aside from the fact that this person has NOT duplicated the properties of the image on the Shroud, the claims being made are not logically valid.
By this logic, if and when human being succeed in creating life, that will PROVE that there is a God.
Interesting that he “baked” it since I believe it was involved in a fire at one time.
There’s a logical fallacy here - to create an image resembling that on the Shroud of Turin using technology available in medieval times does not prove that the Shroud is not the shroud of Jesus.
It only shows that the Shroud COULD be a medieval creation, IF the new image duplicates the Shroud in sufficiently many signficant aspects. There has not been enough evidence presented or independent review to determine that.
If they do demonstrate the possibility of a medieval creation, then they have increased the probability that a rational mind will assign to that, at the expense of the probability that it is the shroud of Jesus, without disproving the latter.
ha ha “shroud machine” he so funny
The more people try to disprove the Shroud, the more real it looks.
This guys attempt looks to be laughable in light of the science performed on the Shroud over the years.
How did these re-creators get the 1st century pollen embedded in it? I have read a lot about the scientific examination of the shroud of Turin and this has to be the weakest debunking I have ever heard. But then again, it’s CNN.
It’s already been determined that the Shroud is not a painted image. And the fact that it’s a photographic negative would appear to rule out delliberate forgery, since nobody in the Middle Ages knew anything about photography.
Other than that, great job.
Or this guy is on a fool’s errand. Because A can do B does not provide proof of anything. Note well that he used an oven ( of which he gives us no details for temp and time —— a critical thing for evaluating if some previous person could have faked this). He has not put it through the testing that has produced very interesting results ( including 3-d imaging, pollen studies, etc).
All hes has done is put an image on cloth. Proves NADA
I don’t anywhere in the article where this new image is a photographic negative. No matter what his pigmented image looks like if it’s not a negative he hasn’t shown us anything.
In the end few people will be persuaded or dissuaded.
Not a photographic negative. But a sun etching through sun bleaching. You need a pane of glass the whole length of the body and an outline painted to prevent the sun bleaching in some areas and the sun from impacting in other areas. The expensive part is the length of pane glass that is the length of the body.
Front and back on the same piece of cloth? How does that happen?
From my posting:
‘Teacher Has Theory on the Shroud of Turin’ @ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2357726/posts
As the Shroud is roughly fourteen feet in length, two pieces of glass would be necessary, both at least six feet long. The image of the front of the man would be produced beneath one and the back of the man beneath the other.
When Dr. Antonio Lombatti, Fellow Researcher in Medieval Church History at the Deputazione di Storia Patria in Parma, Italy was recently asked about the availability of glass large enough to produce the Shroud, he responded, Of course a medieval artist could have enough glass to produce that relic. He pointed out that six foot painted glass windows were not uncommon, and also mentioned that the length discrepancy between the front and back images of the man in the Shroud (1-2 inches) suggests two different phases of production.
Trolling for publicity, or is this guy your brother in law /sarc>?
I find these subjects fascinating. I really have no dog in any fight and don’t wan’t to have this as a fight but as a discussion. I also know your kidding around so no worries.
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I’m more amused by the desperate actions of the anti-God folk to PROVE that God doesn’t exist.
If He doesn’t exist, why are they making such a big deal about it? Why can’t they just STFU and leave we believers alone?
Self doubt and insecurity, perhaps?
You get that from the Shroud of Turin controversy?
Whether the Shroud is real or not is (or should be) irrelevant to both the faithful and the secular. What is of import here is the incessant attempt by the secular/anti-God forces to denigrate and deny everything that has to do with the Christian faith.
It’s the constant chipping away at the basic foundations of our society and our faith that I got out of this, and hundreds of articles regarding various relics and icons of primarily Catholic possession.
In a way, I see the secular West doing the exact same thing to the Christian faith as the “palestinians” are doing to Jewish artifacts in the areas of the Holy Land controlled by the muslims.
I don’t see how this argument is linked to the Shroud. For example God fearing Protestants do not believe (or should not) in relics and the shroud as a relic would be meaningless to them and the Shroud being debunked would have zero affect on them since they don’t accept such things as the Shroud as objects of veneration in the first place.
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