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Me | 10/09/09 | Firetalker

Posted on 10/09/2009 11:59:59 AM PDT by firetalker

AMMO


TOPICS: Hobbies; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: 22lr; ammo; banglist; junk; remington
Yes I can tell you Remington sucks, they don’t stand behind their products, 3 weeks ago I was firing some of their 22 cal game loads with my Grand son in his Crickett Rifle, I asked him to let me shoot it, and on the second shot, the cartridge exploded through the back where the firing pin strikes it and all most put my eye out, even with my glasses on, upon examining the casing their was a small hole through the back just below the dent left by the firing pin, so I then examined the brass from earlier shots and found they all had a small bulge where the firing pin makes contact with the rim, so my first thought was it was a rifle problem, so I have 2 more Crickett rifles hear so I tried the ammo in them , and found the same problem, so I then went to my ammo box and pulled out a box of CCI mini mags, some Federal Golden Eagles, and some cheep Winchesters from Wally world, and all this ammo worked fine in all three rifles, no powder burns on the out side of the casings, and all had a dent where the firing pin strikes not a bulge like the Remington’s, so being puzzled I then called Remington, and Crickett arms, Remington wanted the exploded brass back and any ammo I had left, and Crickett wanted the gun back for testing, it all sounded great, maybe some one was going to pay for my emergency room , call and my visit the next day to the eye spiciest, and maybe I might even get something for my 7 days on pain killers and lost time, yea right. I will have to say Crickett was great about it all, within 5 days they had the rifle done their test, fired 200 rounds of Federal ammo through it, that’s all they use their, and found no problems with the rifle, but I expected that as it was 4 years old and has shot at least 700 rounds with out as much as a miss fire, and I had all ready tested it with other brands of ammo and had no problems, but anyway Crickett wanted to keep the Rifle because they were afraid it might have received some unseen stress and they didn’t want to take a chance on a child ever firing it again, so they sent me a brand new Rifle for my Grand son, and all so included a scope for free for our trouble. When the new rifle arrived I took it out back and lined it up and shot 50 rounds of Golden Eagle 22 LR through it, inspecting every bit of brass for anything out of the norm and every thing was great, so having another box of this Remington 22 Game load 22 LR ammo I kept for my own testing with the same lot number as I sent back to Remington, decided to try some in this new Rifle, the first shot looked fine, clean brass, dent in the rim, no problems, the second shot sounded a little funny, I ejected the brass and found a 1/4 inch split up the side of the casing, the third shot, the brass showed signs of excessive heat to where the case had turned from brass color to that of steal, the fourth showed black powder burns all around the out side of the casing. I then cleaned the new Crickett, fired 4 CCI mini mags , 4 Golden Eagles , and 4 Winchesters through it and they all worked fine, so every thing I have learned in my 40 years of reloading, and 15 years as firearms dealer is telling me this ammo is junk, but I cant hear that from Remington because by this time its been 2 weeks and they haven’t tested it yet, but finely after the threat of a law suit, they have the nerve to call me back, said they tested 31 rounds I sent them for Velocity and pressure, and they were all with in specs, they said they had a Cricket Rifle their but never tried any of the ammo in it, and the way it was made they thought the accident was caused by the firing pin and the Rifle company was at fault, when I explained to them the rifle had all ready been tested and was fine, and I had another cartridge that split down the side this time and had nothing to do with the firing pin, they had no excuse, and wanted me to send them all the ammo I had left so they could test the brass this time, I said yea right send you all the proof I have left, I guess not, I told them go call the sporting good store where I bought it and have them send you some, its still on the shelf where other people and CHILDREN can get hurt. Three different ammo dealers have seen these cartridges after firing and they all say anyone can see its the ammo when compared to other brands and they all say they have always had a problem getting Remington to stand behind their products, 2 of them told me they wont even stock Remington products unless some one ask for them, and they tell people when they order a Remington Rifle that they are not responsible for Remington’s warranty being honored. P.S. Oh yes I must give Remington credit where it is due, they did offer me a coupon for a new box of ammo, very big of them after $1,000.00 in medical bills and a week of taking pain killers.
1 posted on 10/09/2009 12:00:00 PM PDT by firetalker
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To: firetalker
WelcomeTo FreeRepublic!
2 posted on 10/09/2009 12:02:02 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: firetalker
I agree...Remington does not make good .22 ammo

I stick with the CCI mini-mags...quality product.

3 posted on 10/09/2009 12:04:59 PM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Preview
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My eyes just exploded...


4 posted on 10/09/2009 12:05:02 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: firetalker

IBTZ?


5 posted on 10/09/2009 12:05:05 PM PDT by wastedyears (If I don't have a right to play defense, then I'll go on offense. - FReeper Enterprise)
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To: firetalker
"...maybe some one was going to pay for my emergency room , call and my visit the next day to the eye spiciest, and ..."

speaking of an "eye spiciest," i need one after reading your post.

(paragraphs are your friend)
welcome to F.R.

6 posted on 10/09/2009 12:05:41 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: firetalker
Yes I can tell you Remington sucks, they don’t stand behind their products, 3 weeks ago I was firing some of their 22 cal game loads with my Grand son in his Crickett Rifle, I asked him to let me shoot it, and on the second shot, the cartridge exploded through the back where the firing pin strikes it and all most put my eye out, even with my glasses on, upon examining the casing their was a small hole through the back just below the dent left by the firing pin, so I then examined the brass from earlier shots and found they all had a small bulge where the firing pin makes contact with the rim, so my first thought was it was a rifle problem, so I have 2 more Crickett rifles hear so I tried the ammo in them , and found the same problem, so I then went to my ammo box and pulled out a box of CCI mini mags, some Federal Golden Eagles, and some cheep Winchesters from Wally world, and all this ammo worked fine in all three rifles, no powder burns on the out side of the casings, and all had a dent where the firing pin strikes not a bulge like the Remington’s, so being puzzled I then called Remington, and Crickett arms, Remington wanted the exploded brass back and any ammo I had left, and Crickett wanted the gun back for testing, it all sounded great, maybe some one was going to pay for my emergency room , call and my visit the next day to the eye spiciest, and maybe I might even get something for my 7 days on pain killers and lost time, yea right.

I will have to say Crickett was great about it all, within 5 days they had the rifle done their test, fired 200 rounds of Federal ammo through it, that’s all they use their, and found no problems with the rifle, but I expected that as it was 4 years old and has shot at least 700 rounds with out as much as a miss fire, and I had all ready tested it with other brands of ammo and had no problems, but anyway Crickett wanted to keep the Rifle because they were afraid it might have received some unseen stress and they didn’t want to take a chance on a child ever firing it again, so they sent me a brand new Rifle for my Grand son, and all so included a scope for free for our trouble.

When the new rifle arrived I took it out back and lined it up and shot 50 rounds of Golden Eagle 22 LR through it, inspecting every bit of brass for anything out of the norm and every thing was great, so having another box of this Remington 22 Game load 22 LR ammo I kept for my own testing with the same lot number as I sent back to Remington, decided to try some in this new Rifle, the first shot looked fine, clean brass, dent in the rim, no problems, the second shot sounded a little funny, I ejected the brass and found a 1/4 inch split up the side of the casing, the third shot, the brass showed signs of excessive heat to where the case had turned from brass color to that of stEEl, the fourth showed black powder burns all around the out side of the casing.

I then cleaned the new Crickett, fired 4 CCI mini mags , 4 Golden Eagles , and 4 Winchesters through it and they all worked fine, so every thing I have learned in my 40 years of reloading, and 15 years as firearms dealer is telling me this ammo is junk, but I cant hear that from Remington because by this time its been 2 weeks and they haven’t tested it yet, but finely after the threat of a law suit, they have the nerve to call me back, said they tested 31 rounds I sent them for Velocity and pressure, and they were all with in specs, they said they had a Cricket Rifle their but never tried any of the ammo in it, and the way it was made they thought the accident was caused by the firing pin and the Rifle company was at fault, when I explained to them the rifle had all ready been tested and was fine, and I had another cartridge that split down the side this time and had nothing to do with the firing pin, they had no excuse, and wanted me to send them all the ammo I had left so they could test the brass this time, I said yea right send you all the proof I have left, I guess not, I told them go call the sporting good store where I bought it and have them send you some, its still on the shelf where other people and CHILDREN can get hurt.

Three different ammo dealers have seen these cartridges after firing and they all say anyone can see its the ammo when compared to other brands and they all say they have always had a problem getting Remington to stand behind their products, 2 of them told me they wont even stock Remington products unless some one ask for them, and they tell people when they order a Remington Rifle that they are not responsible for Remington’s warranty being honored.

P.S. Oh yes I must give Remington credit where it is due, they did offer me a coupon for a new box of ammo, very big of them after $1,000.00 in medical bills and a week of taking pain killers.

7 posted on 10/09/2009 12:07:31 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: GRRRRR

You actually read it??

;-)


8 posted on 10/09/2009 12:07:37 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Yeah...it has human interest appeal...

HAPPY FRIDAY!~


9 posted on 10/09/2009 12:08:33 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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You’ll shoot your eye out - flashbacks


10 posted on 10/09/2009 12:09:29 PM PDT by dis.kevin (Dry white toast)
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To: firetalker

What is a “Crickett rifle?”

Is it for hunting crickets?

Geez I thought shooting groundhogs at 400 yeards with .223 is hard.


11 posted on 10/09/2009 12:16:05 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: firetalker

Remington recalled all 597 semi-auto .17 HMR rifles AND Remington .17 ammo in August . Was really nice of them to offer a $200.00 buyback on a $400.00 weapon ( NOT) The hole in the casing sounds like the same problem they had with the .17 and .22 !Saw a picture of a .17 Hornandy round with same hole. All in all REMINGTON SUCKS!!


12 posted on 10/09/2009 12:23:43 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Renegade

Not the good ole 870.


13 posted on 10/09/2009 12:27:34 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Frantzie

I can’t believe I read this entire post...even the virtually English, English. After finishing, I found that I can no longer spell my name. Anyone know a good 1-800 attorney?


14 posted on 10/09/2009 12:28:03 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: firetalker

Holy Text, Crap Man!

Welcome to FR.

They have classes that will help you control a post.


15 posted on 10/09/2009 12:31:53 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: Renegade

Hmmm - I just bought 200 rounds of Remington 9mm lugar JHP - any opinion on that before I cycle it through my 92SB?


16 posted on 10/09/2009 12:46:33 PM PDT by monkeypants (It's a Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: monkeypants

I wonder if you can inspect the shell casing or something. Not very good when ammo blows up. I wonder if they have been churning out so much.

I think the quality control on .22 is not that great.


17 posted on 10/09/2009 12:57:04 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: monkeypants

I wonder if you can inspect the shell casing or something. Not very good when ammo blows up. I wonder if they have been churning out so much.

I think the quality control on .22 is not that great.


18 posted on 10/09/2009 12:57:16 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: monkeypants

I wonder if you can inspect the shell casing or something. Not very good when ammo blows up. I wonder if they have been churning out so much.

I think the quality control on .22 is not that great.


19 posted on 10/09/2009 12:57:23 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I want to know if a Crickett rifle has a scope on it when you go hunting crickets.


20 posted on 10/09/2009 12:58:58 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: GRRRRR

A friend of mine shoots small bore competition.

He was in search of the best cheapest practice ammo.

He made a rim thickness gauge out of an old 22 Mag case and a Micrometer.

First he fired for accuracy to select the possibles.

Then he checked 50 of each with the Rim thickness gage.

It turns out that Federal Bulk pack 36gr. Hollow points have the most consistent rim thickness.

He fires this exclusively in a Suhl match gun for practice then goes to the Wolf for the actual match.


21 posted on 10/09/2009 1:07:52 PM PDT by SwedeBoy2
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To: firetalker

I’m still trying to figure out how you found enough ammo to go shooting.


22 posted on 10/09/2009 2:26:35 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: firetalker

I had a remington golden sabre go squib on me while doing double taps. The second follow up shot bulged the barrel on my beloved 625. After almost 400 bucks and 6 weeks in repairs and shipping I still had not heard anything from my seven or eight calls with left messages to Remington. I will not buy one of their ammo products again.


23 posted on 10/09/2009 2:55:11 PM PDT by BudgieRamone (...or I coud've been a waiter....except I can't lift weights)
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To: monkeypants

Maybe just me , BUT I’m finding Remington 9mm. and .40 to be a lot DIRTIER than it used to be . Getting a lot of missfires on .22 long rifle also .


24 posted on 10/09/2009 3:01:30 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: stuartcr

I have no problems with my SPR453 semi-auto. Probably because it is the RUSSIAN made model and will not missfire if doused in a mudbath . Like the AK or SKS.


25 posted on 10/09/2009 3:06:33 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Shooter 2.5

We have a lot of ammo in NE PA. Gander Mt. is well stocked . Try ammoman.com ( out of NJ ) Ammo is shipped postage paid . Just got 1000 rnds 7.62x 39 for $239.00.


26 posted on 10/09/2009 3:08:53 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: Frantzie

> What is a “Crickett rifle?”

It’s a small, single shot bolt action .22 rifle for kids.


27 posted on 10/09/2009 3:09:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Try this link out...

http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo_stats/handgun

Then go here...

http://www.natchezss.com/index.cfm

It is out there.


28 posted on 10/09/2009 3:22:25 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: Frantzie
"I think the quality control on .22 is not that great."

There is no such thing as good, cheap .22 ammo.

Make up yer mind! Ya want it cheap or good? Ya can't have both.

29 posted on 10/09/2009 3:46:32 PM PDT by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: An Old Man

Arggh. I never said I wanted “cheap” .22 ammo. I do not even own a .22. Guns scare me. ;-)

Just kidding. I have a wonder 9 and .223.

I do think people just think - what the heck .22 ammo should be cheap. Well i guess not after thisblew up on this fellow. I wonder if the feed ramp on his Crickett rifle needs to be polished or something. Maybe it jammed. Sounds like a paper thin casing.

Scary stuff.


30 posted on 10/09/2009 3:56:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Shooter 2.5

“I’m still trying to figure out how you found enough ammo to go shooting.”

LOL! Priceless!


31 posted on 10/09/2009 3:57:46 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: An Old Man
There is no such thing as good, cheap .22 ammo.

Federal Premium 550.
32 posted on 10/09/2009 4:39:28 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Frantzie

The cricket is a small 22 LR bolt action rifle made for wee shooters.

Like seven or eight year olds who are just learning to shoot.


33 posted on 10/09/2009 5:18:11 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Thanks. I was imagining some .22 rifle with crickets chirping then people blasting away in the dark. ;-)

I kind of guessed it was for youngsters.


34 posted on 10/09/2009 5:24:18 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Armedanddangerous; firetalker
The cricket is a small 22 LR bolt action rifle made for wee shooters.

It comes in Pink for little girls.

Will be sure to stick with federal ammo for .22's. I just noticed I have a 550 package of remington .22lr golden bullets. It says 36 grain plated hollow point. I assumed they were brass, not gold, but does the term golden bullet mean they aren't brass, just painted, or colored metal to look like brass? It doesn't say they are brass anywhere on the box. The box has never been opened.

Firetalker, do you have the numbers from the box of .22 shells. My federals have a printed on number, like a batch number, but I don't think any of the numbers on the bottom of the remington box are a batch number.

I know a little girl who has a pink cricket on her Christmas list. Will certainly make sure they stay clear of the Remington ammo. I don't think I'll put any of it through my stevens I've had since I was 6, either. Thanks for the heads up.

35 posted on 10/09/2009 7:02:13 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: firetalker

Paragraphs are your friend. See a lawyer.


36 posted on 10/10/2009 5:09:31 AM PDT by Poser (Enjoying Prime Rib for 58 Years!)
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To: robomatik; firetalker
speaking of an "eye spiciest," i need one after reading your post.

Please post this "Spicy Eyeball" recipe.

37 posted on 10/10/2009 5:19:08 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SwedeBoy2

Old post, but oh well. I like the Federal Bulk packs. They shoot really well for not being match-grade ammo.

I always have problems with the Remington Bulk Golden Bullet, and only buy them because right now I buy what I can. 20-30 percent of the Remington bullets produce “flyers” that are an inch or two off of my groupings. Plus, I have at least one misfire in 10 rounds. I pull the bullet, rotate, then it fires. Never seem to get a full-blown dud, but lots of first-hit misfires.

I was shooting just yesterday with the GB after not having to shoot them for nearly a year, and I was like, WTF when I’d be on center, then the bullet would hit way off. Didn’t have that problem with the Federals. I don’t have an awesome competition rifle, but have a bull barrel and 4# trigger on my Ruger 10/22 that shoots better than I do!


38 posted on 10/11/2009 11:12:13 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: GRRRRR
My eyes just exploded...

Maybe the author can refer you to his "eye spiciest."

39 posted on 10/12/2009 9:35:12 AM PDT by gundog (And a babe shall lead them. -Sarah 20:12)
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To: NMEwithin
Remington does not make good .22 ammo...

Years ago, I tested all of the bulk ammos for accuracy, performance. Remington's Golden Bullets won hands down in both categories from several weapons.

40 posted on 10/12/2009 9:37:09 AM PDT by gundog (And a babe shall lead them. -Sarah 20:12)
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To: Frantzie
"What is a “Crickett rifle?” Is it for hunting crickets? Geez I thought shooting groundhogs at 400 yeards with .223 is hard."

Don't take cricket hunting lightly. They've been known to charge if you fail to put them down cleanly with your first shot.

41 posted on 10/12/2009 9:42:54 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Shooter 2.5; firetalker

I’m still trying to figure out how firetalker got a ER visit for $1,000?


42 posted on 10/12/2009 9:49:47 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: firetalker

Someone already asked but I’ll try again. What is the lot number on the box?


43 posted on 10/12/2009 5:58:32 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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