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Egypt asks British Museum for the Rosetta Stone after Louvre victory
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 12:03AM BST 10 Oct 2009 | Samer al-Atrush

Posted on 10/09/2009 4:47:57 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

Egypt wants to borrow the Rosetta Stone from the British Museum after winning a battle with France over ownership of painted rock fragments “stolen” from the Valley of the Kings.

The French culture ministry has decided to return the 3,200-year-old frescoes, which disappeared in the 1980s, Egypt said, and were acquired by the Louvre in Paris in 2000 and 2003.

Zahi Hawass, the head of Egypt’s supreme council of antiquities, had threatened to sever relations with the Louvre unless it handed back the relics. That would have forced the French museum to suspend excavation work in the Pharaonic necropolis of Saqarra.

Mr Hawass told The Daily Telegraph that the return of the painted fragments would “warn every museum not to buy stolen artefacts”.

He now wants the British Museum to lend the Rosetta Stone to Cairo. The artefact, dating from 196BC, carries inscriptions in Greek and Egyptian that first enabled hieroglyphics to be deciphered.

“I am not asking for all the objects in the British Museum to come back, only for the unique objects to come back to Egypt,” he said.

The basalt stone was discovered by French soldiers in 1799, but was ceded to Britain by the Treaty of Alexandria in 1801 and moved to the British Museum the following year.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History
KEYWORDS: britishmuseum; egypt; england; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; museum; rosettastone; sourcetitlenoturl; takeanumber
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1 posted on 10/09/2009 4:47:58 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: SunkenCiv

Hawass Ping


2 posted on 10/09/2009 4:48:24 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: Pan_Yan

I am kind of embarrassed to admit that until recently I thought Rosetta Stone was a woman.


3 posted on 10/09/2009 4:49:20 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Pan_Yan

“The basalt stone was discovered by French soldiers in 1799, but was ceded to Britain by the Treaty of Alexandria in 1801...”

Case closed. It stays put.


4 posted on 10/09/2009 4:50:40 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Pan_Yan

Egyptians are like goblins: the fact that many of their items have been sold does not dissuade them from thinking that they still own them.


5 posted on 10/09/2009 4:53:50 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Buck W.

Case NOT so easily closed. Cultural treasures belong to the cultures. A good case can be made for that.

If tomorrow we discover Jesus’s personal wardrobe and clothes and other effects and it now belongs to the Museum of Saudi Arabia, I would be very upset.

I would want those artificats to belong to a Christian museum preferably a Museum based in the Holy Land where Jesus lived

Having the most important artifact of your culture belong to somone else is quite disturbing.

About the only thing that works AGAINST Egypt is this. Current Egyptian rulers are not real egyptians but Arab invaders.

The REAL descendants of the Egyptians are the Coptic Christians. So, if they set up a Museum, I would fully support the Rosetta Stone going there


6 posted on 10/09/2009 4:56:57 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer (`)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy; blam

If it disappeared in the “1980s” I bet there were laws forbidding sales. We have same laws in places regarding Native American artifacts.

I bet blam knows.


7 posted on 10/09/2009 4:57:08 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Pan_Yan
That would make it easier for a future Islamist government to destroy it as a "pagan relic". So sure, go right ahead and send it back...
8 posted on 10/09/2009 4:59:27 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: GSWarrior

I think she’s a nun


9 posted on 10/09/2009 5:00:55 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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To: Pan_Yan

The Greeks have a better chance of getting the Elgin Marbles back.


10 posted on 10/09/2009 5:01:46 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
That would make it easier for a future Islamist government to destroy it as a "pagan relic". So sure, go right ahead and send it back...

Concisely put. The facts on the ground conclusively demonstrate that moslems are mentally defective and cannot be trusted with antiquities. When and if the muzzies ever become civilized, then we can talk.

11 posted on 10/09/2009 5:04:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: Pan_Yan

The French want their furniture back and that ain’t happening. The English won them fair and square as spoils fo war. They will continue to be stored and displayed near the bloody tower.

The Rosetta stone will stay as well.

Though I can why both countries want their stuff back, they haven’t really needed it for anything particular.


12 posted on 10/09/2009 5:05:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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13 posted on 10/09/2009 5:06:30 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Fine. Give the Hagia Sophia back to the Christians.


14 posted on 10/09/2009 5:08:04 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: muir_redwoods

Ooh boy you just dated yourself.


15 posted on 10/09/2009 5:11:00 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Fine. Give the Hagia Sophia back to the Christians. TOTALLY AGREE!! Byzantine belongs to the Christians and the Eastern Part of Anatolia belongs to the Kurds and the Armenians. Turks BACK to Central Asia... but that is another story
16 posted on 10/09/2009 5:16:23 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer (`)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

I would agree with you if the RS hadn’t been given to Britain via a legal treaty.


17 posted on 10/09/2009 5:22:34 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Egyptians are like goblins: the fact that many of their items have been sold does not dissuade them from thinking that they still own them.

I don't think the French selling stolen goods to the British really counts against the Egyptians. There are plenty of arguments that can be made for who has rights to what based on cultural changes and religion, but you have to admit that Egypt has one of the richest and most pillaged archeological histories in the world. Don't they have a right to their history?

18 posted on 10/09/2009 5:49:52 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All gray areas are fabrications.)
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To: Buck W.

Something STOLEN by the French CANNOT be “given” to anyone else.

That is the law even in the US. You cannot steal something from someone and sell it to someone. If you buy stolen goods (whether you knew the provenence of them or not), you CANNOT keep them. That is the law in our land!

Thus an invading army cannot come to Egypt and steal and then sell it.

It would be one thing if a FREE country sold it. A great example are the Van Goghs. They are a cultural treasure of Holland but because they were sold by free will, Holland can never demand them back.

The same holds true when a country freely allows its antiquities to be sold


19 posted on 10/09/2009 6:07:40 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer (`)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
The REAL descendants of the Egyptians are the Coptic Christians. So, if they set up a Museum, I would fully support the Rosetta Stone going there

But the Rosetta Stone is an artifact of the rulers of Egypt, who at that time were the Ptolemaic Greeks, who aren't around to claim it, so possession nine points of the law.

20 posted on 10/10/2009 7:56:15 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Obama votes "present": wins Nobel Peace Prize)
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