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Cub Scout's "Weapon" Earns him Suspension
news ^ | Oct. 12, 2009

Posted on 10/12/2009 12:17:31 PM PDT by JoeProBono

1st Grader Brings Camping Utensil to School for Lunch, But Zero Tolerance Weapons Policy Leads to 45-Day Suspension -

A 6-year-old boy's excitement over joining the Cub Scouts may just land him in reform school for 45 days.

Zachary Christie was suspended from his 1st grade class in Delaware's Christina School District after bringing a camping utensil - a combination knife/fork/spoon - to use at lunch, prompting calls to reexamine schools' zero-tolerance policy for bringing weapons to school, according to a New York Times report Monday.

Zero tolerance policies were instituted in many school districts across the country, at least in part due to violence at Columbine and Virginia Tech, the report notes. Their rigid enforcement is designed to eliminate the appearance of bias or discrimination on the part of school officials.

But residents, and some lawmakers, are now wondering why schools can't apply a more common-sense discretion to such instances.

"It just seems unfair," said Zachary, who is being home-schooled while his mother, Debbie Christie, tries to fight the suspension. That involved Zachary appearing before a district disciplinary committee with his karate instructor and mother's fiancé vouching for him as character witnesses.


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Zachary Christie with his mother, Debbie, his father, Curtis, and the Cub Scout utensil that got him suspended from school.


1 posted on 10/12/2009 12:17:32 PM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono
HERE
2 posted on 10/12/2009 12:19:25 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: JoeProBono

Its sad when school officials have less common sense than a 6 year old.


3 posted on 10/12/2009 12:20:01 PM PDT by Texican72
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To: JoeProBono

Dup: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2360618/posts


4 posted on 10/12/2009 12:20:31 PM PDT by bvw
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To: JoeProBono

Simply home school and don’t worry about it. We did for 20 years and have a family of well adjusted, normal children. Married, college degrees and doing fine. All are conservative, but are so of their own free will.


5 posted on 10/12/2009 12:22:31 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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This nation is going freakin nuts! The inmates are running the asylum. When will WE the PEOPLE say ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP!”? (Rhetorical, and end of my rant....but Holy Christ, this is unbelievable!)


6 posted on 10/12/2009 12:23:10 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: JoeProBono

But the good news is that he earned his “Suspended From School” Belt Loop.


7 posted on 10/12/2009 12:24:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

lol


8 posted on 10/12/2009 12:25:14 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: JoeProBono

This is a joke, right?

The “knife” in those kits have a round end!


9 posted on 10/12/2009 12:25:33 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: JoeProBono

Certainly looks menancing. Maybe more midnight basketball will straighten this one out. I sure hope so, the idea of meeting and armed Cub Scout down some dark lonely alley really frightens me.


10 posted on 10/12/2009 12:25:49 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: JoeProBono

There is common sense in some places. I used to be a cop at a South Central L.A. school. A recent immigrant from Central America came to school with a 10-inch serrated knife and a bag of fruit.

Teacher sent her to the assistant principal who called me. She (student) told me they do that at her old school. I talked to the Juvenile detectives at LAPD and told them the scenario. No harm, no foul. She didn’t even get detention.

Too many districts go by the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law. Looks like the tide may be changing.


11 posted on 10/12/2009 12:27:01 PM PDT by hoppity
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To: JoeProBono
Does it look like this?


or

Some of these have real knives. Still seems a bit extreme.
12 posted on 10/12/2009 12:28:11 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: JoeProBono

Ummm...whats wrong with the idea that ITS NOT A WEAPON!


13 posted on 10/12/2009 12:29:13 PM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: hoppity
"Too many districts go by the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law."

Hmmmm! I'm thinking "Too many A-holes go by the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law.

14 posted on 10/12/2009 12:31:59 PM PDT by Dacus943
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To: An American!
I am going to have to stop visiting FR is you people insist on posting pictures of violent weapons like this. Be considerate of others. </sarc>
15 posted on 10/12/2009 12:33:37 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: jwparkerjr
I am going to have to stop visiting FR is you people insist on posting pictures of violent weapons like this. Be considerate of others.

From your post, I would have thought someone had just posted a Helen Thomas picture.

16 posted on 10/12/2009 12:35:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JoeProBono
. . . . prompting calls to reexamine schools' zero-tolerance policy for bringing weapons to school . . .

"Zero-tolerance" policies are a code phrase that means "school administrators are excluded from having to think"!! Some of the dumbest things currently being perpetrated by the schools on our kids are done under the umbrella of "zero-tolerance"!!

17 posted on 10/12/2009 12:35:38 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: JoeProBono

Kid could do more damage by taking off a sock dropping a rock down into the end it.


19 posted on 10/12/2009 12:36:26 PM PDT by Sax
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To: An American!

20 posted on 10/12/2009 12:40:30 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
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21 posted on 10/12/2009 12:41:35 PM PDT by Sax
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To: JoeProBono

Once again, common sense is nowhere to be found by busybody school officials.


22 posted on 10/12/2009 12:43:05 PM PDT by WesG (Without geometry, life is pointless.)
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To: JoeProBono
My grandson forgot his little knife was in his pocket and got stuck with 2 weeks in "alternative education".

I've carried a pocket knife daily since I was 8, never thought of it as a weapon. A pocket knife is just a tool. This, I suppose, is a cultural thing, but some cultures obviously see anything as a weapon.

I deeply resent being lumped in with those who abuse liberty, and I deeply resent losing my liberty because of their abuses of liberty.

I know this statement is going to trigger name calling from the liberals, but I no longer care what they call me.

When anyone abuses their freedom they threaten everyone's freedom, and society should not accommodate them.

23 posted on 10/12/2009 12:44:43 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Sax

24 posted on 10/12/2009 12:45:08 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

25 posted on 10/12/2009 12:47:53 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono
This guy would be banned for life!


26 posted on 10/12/2009 12:49:41 PM PDT by houeto (I peered inside the Treasury's door, the entire vault was empty. We've been robbed!)
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To: bvw

27 posted on 10/12/2009 12:50:58 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: JoeProBono

Too bady, they wont even allow Boy Scouts by the time this guy gets old enough ...


28 posted on 10/12/2009 12:51:16 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Adder

Anything is a weapon if you use it as one. The real idiocy is in allowing “officials” to deflect blame on, and ban the use of, inanimate objects. When I was a kid, we used knives, forks and spoons to eat with. I’m pretty sure we didn’t have to call the swat team over utensils, and we knew how to cut our own food all by ourselves by the time we went to school.


29 posted on 10/12/2009 12:51:33 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: SLB

We’ve done the same. Our perfectly normal kids all have multiple pocketknives (more than I can count), hunting knives, bows, arrows, toy swords, toy guns, BB guns and a 20 guage shotgun that fires real shells.


30 posted on 10/12/2009 12:52:02 PM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: JoeProBono
Reminds me of that horrible movie Ben Stiller made years ago, “Mystery Men” (my kids made me take them to it).

A line from the hero The Blue Raja:

“An effete British superhero, to be precise. I am pilfering your tableware because I hurl it. I hurl it with a deadly accuracy. The Blue Raja is my name. And yes, I know I don't wear much blue and I speak in a British accent, but if you know your history it really does make perfect sense.”

Honestly we have become wimps of the highest order! My father made me carry my scout knife with me at all times since I was 6 years old. He would often inspect it to make sure I kept it clean and sharp as a razor. God knows how many times I cut myself with it but I still have it. Its has been replaced in my pocket by numerous Victorinox knives but I don't go anywhere without one. I have to remember to put in my checked baggage when I travel.

When I was a Cub Master I insisted on knife training to get the wolf badge and the parents howled bloody murder! I asked them at what point they would learn to use sharp tools, when they turn 30?

31 posted on 10/12/2009 1:03:34 PM PDT by Pharmer (Palin in 2012! We are so screwed! Go Phillies!!!!)
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To: hoppity

These days, for all too many, the spirt of the law is the letter of the law, if you get my meaning.


32 posted on 10/12/2009 1:06:22 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: SERKIT

Can you believe this crap?!! When I was 6, I used to use my Creepy Crawler set and make black spider to scare the boys who would either hide under their desks or on jump to the top ... I was a nuisance ... between me and my brothers, the teachers would have WELCOMED with open arms a young man, proud to be a scout, who dressed in a suit and tie periodically, whose infraction was bringing his big-boy fork and spoon to school.

So, I wonder if kids and bring in rubber spiders to school and what the punishment would be for some kid to crack open his skull running from the thing?

No common sense in school administration. Looks like a sign of things to come. Get ‘em while they are young and make sure that they don’t have an original thought in their head!

Geez!


33 posted on 10/12/2009 1:12:14 PM PDT by fujimoh
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To: JoeProBono
camping utensil - a combination knife/fork/spoon

I'm sorry, but I have to side with the school on this one. I think there is a good chance that the boy turns out to be a cereal killer!

34 posted on 10/12/2009 1:17:04 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Liberals are always one genocide away from Utopia.)
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When my son was in middle school kids were stabbed with pencils in the hallway. These rules leave no room for the application of common sense. But considering that many school administrators don’t have any common sense the kids suffer from a forced reliance on one-size-fits all zero tolerance. Public education is not about the kids, and certainly not about education in many cases. They just love the power of enforcement!!


35 posted on 10/12/2009 1:17:20 PM PDT by Jenny217
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To: JoeProBono

Poor little guy. What a screwed world we live in.


36 posted on 10/12/2009 1:24:19 PM PDT by khnyny (Obama has just been pawned by the "international" Nobel Prize Committee)
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37 posted on 10/12/2009 1:25:59 PM PDT by bvw
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38 posted on 10/12/2009 1:29:08 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

Back when I was in highschool 1999-2003 we couldn’t eat with plastic knives, we had to cut everything with the edge of a fork or spoon.


39 posted on 10/12/2009 1:33:23 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: JoeProBono

Another dangerous toy banned from schools.

40 posted on 10/12/2009 1:34:24 PM PDT by bvw
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To: LukeL

What idiocy!

Did they ban all contact sports too? Allow only Wii versions?


41 posted on 10/12/2009 1:35:38 PM PDT by bvw
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42 posted on 10/12/2009 1:46:05 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: bvw
Another dangerous toy banned from schools.

I actually brought a fake one to school in fourth grade. It was supposed to have girly pictures in it, but it really had shoe polish on one end. Teacher took it, along with my squit ring, snake can, and 7-11 dice (she REALLY didn't like the 7-11 dice). All were returned to me at the end of the year, with no additional punishment.
43 posted on 10/12/2009 1:49:13 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: JoeProBono

In Delaware a first DUI offense—which by the way could put someone’s eye (or life) out—carries a 45-day license revocation. Where’s the proportionality?


44 posted on 10/12/2009 1:51:51 PM PDT by vamoose
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To: Pharmer
When I was a Cub Master I insisted on knife training to get the wolf badge and the parents howled bloody murder!

Lemme guess...it was the daddies who didn't like it.

Did I win anything?

45 posted on 10/12/2009 2:00:42 PM PDT by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: Pharmer

I graduated high school in 74. During middle and high school I carried a Buck 4” folding hunter on my belt every day. Nobody ever blinked. It was a tool, not a weapon, even on the couple of occasions I got into a fistfight.


46 posted on 10/12/2009 2:39:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: JoeProBono
Why don;t they CUT OFF HIS HANDS??? He could SLAP someone and HURT them! CUT OFF HIS LEGS....he could KICK someone and HURT them!! Cut OFF HIS TONGUE.....he might say something that HURTS someone!

WE ARE DOOMED...ADULTS have NO COMMON SENSE!

47 posted on 10/12/2009 2:44:15 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: JoeProBono

This is exactly why my 11 year old granddaughter is studying karate. She will never be defenseless.


48 posted on 10/12/2009 3:25:52 PM PDT by Grammy (The Lord is the Alpha and Omega. ObamaA has it backwards.)
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To: JoeProBono

It’s freeper time!
http://helpzachary.com/


49 posted on 10/12/2009 3:39:11 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo

Zachary’s education and emotional well-being have been impacted because of the zero tolerance policy of the Christina School District. He is not the only “collateral damage” that has happened due to the “zero tolerance” rules set forth in the Christina School District’s Code of Conduct. Numerous cases are heard each month which end in expulsion or “alternative placement” into the Douglass School. Many of these children are innocent victims of decisions being made based on extreme, zero tolerance rules.

On Tuesday, September 29th, Zachary brought his camping utensil to school to use at lunch (spoon, fork, bottle opener, and knife). As he was getting off the bus, a teacher asked him what he was holding in his hand. Zachary showed it to her and explained why he had brought it... to eat his lunch. The teacher gave the utensil to the principal, at which point Zach was suspended from school pending a school district hearing.

The School District committee recommended that he be alternatively placed at The Douglass School, a reform school for juvenile delinquents. This is the same school where they place children who have severe behavioral problems and who are guilty of such offenses as assault and battery, rape, drug offenses, concealing a deadly weapon, and more. Since there is absolutely zero chance that we will allow that to happen, the only hope for Zachary being able to rejoin his friends at Downes Elementary is if Christina School District Superintendent Marcia Lyles or the Christina School Board intervenes to overturn the committee’s decision.

Did you catch the fact that HE IS SIX YEARS OLD?!?!?! We haven’t spoken to anybody who believes that the zero tolerance policy is either rational or reasonable, but the District continues to follow it in spite of legislation (HB 120) that calls for school districts to use sound judgment in reviewing these cases.

Please help! Please send emails and letters to the Christina School Board and to Christina School District Superintendent Marcia Lyles (contact info listed below)... MOST IMPORTANTLY, Please come to the School Board meeting on Tuesday, October 13th. Our goal is to have 10,000 people there to make the School Board listen to reason and stop victimizing the same innocent children they are supposed to be protecting.

Come to the School Board meeting and make your voice heard!

October 13, 2009
General Business Meeting ~ 7:30 pm
Porter Road Elementary School
500 Caledonia Way, Bear, DE


50 posted on 10/12/2009 3:46:24 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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