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The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate
NYTimes ^ | 10/12/09 | Dennis Overbye

Posted on 10/13/2009 1:13:12 AM PDT by LibWhacker

More than a year after an explosion of sparks, soot and frigid helium shut it down, the world’s biggest and most expensive physics experiment, known as the Large Hadron Collider, is poised to start up again. In December, if all goes well, protons will start smashing together in an underground racetrack outside Geneva in a search for forces and particles that reigned during the first trillionth of a second of the Big Bang.

Then it will be time to test one of the most bizarre and revolutionary theories in science. I’m not talking about extra dimensions of space-time, dark matter or even black holes that eat the Earth. No, I’m talking about the notion that the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its own future. A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: blackholes; collider; fate; geneva; genevacell; hadron; hadroncollider; higgsboson; largehadroncollider; science; stringtheory

1 posted on 10/13/2009 1:13:12 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Crazy, just crazy!


2 posted on 10/13/2009 1:18:40 AM PDT by askrenr (Slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.)
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To: LibWhacker
A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

That is really far-out.

4 posted on 10/13/2009 1:31:18 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: LibWhacker

Bump


5 posted on 10/13/2009 1:33:53 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: LibWhacker
A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one.....

Ah, the "Can't get there from here conjecture" ;^)

6 posted on 10/13/2009 1:34:13 AM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: LibWhacker

Maybe it will return things to normal and Obama won’t be President anymore. McCain wouldn’t have won the republican nomination, and the economy will have been in recovery now.

Everything went haywire after they turned it on the first time... ;-)


7 posted on 10/13/2009 1:39:35 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: LibWhacker

perhaps it could go back and sort out the nytimes....


8 posted on 10/13/2009 1:56:18 AM PDT by Irishguy
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To: trumandogz

Theyve been watching too much Doctor Who.


9 posted on 10/13/2009 2:06:07 AM PDT by Vanders9
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10 posted on 10/13/2009 3:36:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: LibWhacker
The dastardly particle from the future went back through time and thwarted their plans. Hard to believe that even made it to print. :)

If these are the type of people that are being listened to regarding this machine I think that solves the problems with it right there.


11 posted on 10/13/2009 3:44:41 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

A lot of people have a problem with theoretical physics because much of it seems just ... strange. It took me some time to accept Schrödinger’s cat and quantum tunneling.


12 posted on 10/13/2009 3:55:50 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: LibWhacker
"....distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson....might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one...."

Hmmm, but to believe that God created man in His image is just crazy talk......

13 posted on 10/13/2009 4:03:55 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: R. Scott
The promoter of this ‘theory’ imbues intelligence, time travel, and action on a theoretical particle. Not admitting the designers and/or manufacturers could have made mistakes. The theoretical range being within the capabilities of Fermilab should have resulted in a similar action by this ‘gremlin’ particle, by that logic.
14 posted on 10/13/2009 4:12:40 AM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost
I don’t think the particle is imbued with intelligence, just that it might be cause and effect.
15 posted on 10/13/2009 5:12:55 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott

The most likely cause of failures in machines is design and/or implementation. Equipment failures are to be expected when a new machine of this complexity is built. I think the guy sounds like a quack with this theory.


16 posted on 10/13/2009 5:17:59 AM PDT by allmost
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To: R. Scott

I still don’t believe in cats.


17 posted on 10/13/2009 5:19:24 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
Actually they are quite tasty.
18 posted on 10/13/2009 6:25:58 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: starlifter

But if you eat Schroedinger’s cat, an hour later you wonder if you really did or not.


19 posted on 10/13/2009 6:36:57 AM PDT by Erasmus (Barack Hussein Obama: America's toast!)
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To: Erasmus

So logically, Schroedinger’s cat is actually Chinese food. QED.


20 posted on 10/13/2009 8:17:39 AM PDT by Jeff F (austinaero; Phoenix11; WaterBoard)
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To: allmost
I think the guy sounds like a quack with this theory.

Maybe he's just trying to get a grant. We'll know in a decade or three.

21 posted on 10/13/2009 2:02:25 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

I’m a believer. My Little Killer cat reminds me of her reality every time she ambushes me. It seems to be her hobby.


22 posted on 10/13/2009 2:04:23 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: LibWhacker

One problem with this idea is that some ultra-high energy proton collisions in the upper atmosphere far exceed what might be eventually attained by this terrestrial collider. It’s too bad we can’t somehow contain and analyze some of these collisions. Then we wouldn’t even have to build this machine.


23 posted on 10/13/2009 6:54:04 PM PDT by onedoug
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It’s too bad we can’t somehow contain and analyze some of these collisions.

Yet. We can't do that yet. :)
24 posted on 10/14/2009 9:13:30 AM PDT by allmost
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To: LibWhacker
Here are the two to blame for this....


25 posted on 10/19/2009 10:58:29 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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