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Cancellation of Darwin film creates uproar
Daily News Los Angeles ^ | 10/16/2009 | Troy Anderson

Posted on 10/16/2009 6:11:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

As the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin's landmark book on evolution approaches, a brouhaha has erupted in Los Angeles County over a planned series of events exploring the conflict between his theories and "intelligent design" advocates.

A group that favors "intelligent design" had planned to premier a new documentary film at the California Science Center in Los Angeles later this month, but the center later canceled the event.

The group claims the cancellation was an act of censorship, made after the center was pressured by the Smithsonian Institution, but the center chalked it up to a contract issue, without elaborating.

Coined "The Darwin Debates: A Forum for Dialogue," the nonprofit American Freedom Alliance had planned to premier a new Illustra Media documentary, "Darwin's Dilemma: The Mystery of the Cambrian Explosion," at the California Science Center on Oct. 25.

The Los Angeles-based alliance describes itself as a "nonpolitical, nonpartisan, movement of concerned Americans which identifies threats to western civilization." Those threats, according to the group include "the Islamic penetration of Europe" and "the growth of radical environmentalism."

California Science Center president Jeff Rudolph said Thursday the premiere was canceled "because of issues related to the contract." Rudolph declined to elaborate on those issues.

"We don't discuss contract issues in public," Rudolph said.

Alliance president Avi Davis said the cancellation had nothing to do with contract issues, but rather a press release touting the film issued a few days ago by the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based "intelligent design" think tank.

The institute's release announced that some of its fellows were featured in the film to be screened at a location they described as the "Smithsonian Institution's west coast affiliate."

John West, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, said he understands officials at the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History pressured the CSC to cancel the film.

"I think this is an outrageous example of censorship and ideological discrimination," West said. "The thing about a contractual dispute is just a pretext and it's bogus. This really should be disturbing to anyone who believes in free speech."

But Smithsonian spokesman Randal Kremer denied that his organization pressured the CSC to cancel the film.

"It's nothing we would get involved in," Kremer said.

However, Kremer said he saw the press release a few days ago and was concerned by its reference to the Smithsonian. He pointed out the CSC is just one of more than 160 Smithsonian affiliates nationwide, adding the CSC is not a branch of the Smithsonian, but "they work with us occasionally on their programs."

"The only reason I spoke with anyone at the California Science Center is I was concerned by the inference (in the press release that) there was a showing of the film at a Smithsonian branch, which is how the California Science Center was portrayed in the news release," Kremer said. "Of course, that is not the case. They are independent and any decisions they make on this are on their own."

As a result of the dust-up, Davis said he's considering showing the film at another venue. But he said the rest of the events are scheduled to go forward as planned.

Those include a debate on Nov. 30 at the Saban Theatre in Beverly Hills between Discovery Institute official Stephen Meyer and Biologic Institute investigator Richard Sternberg and The Skeptics Society President Michael Shermer and paleontologist Don Prothero.

Darwin's book "On the Origin of Species," a foundation of the scientific theory of evolution, was first published in November 1859.

"Intelligent design" is a more modern, controversial theory that proposes to add a role for religion in evolution by attributing diversity in nature to divine causes.


TOPICS: Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creationism; darwin; evolution; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie
For those interested, also of note, there is a debate scheduled between Discovery Institute’s Stephen Meyer and Biologic Institute’s Richard Sternberg debating The Skeptics Society President Michael Shermer and paleontologist Don Prothero on Nov. 30, 2009 at the Saban Theatre in Beverly Hills, also sponsored by The American Freedom Alliance.
1 posted on 10/16/2009 6:11:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Viewpoint-based descrimination against non-leftists has now been approved by the MAN himself, don’t ya know.


2 posted on 10/16/2009 6:14:08 PM PDT by GeronL (They Made It Happen On Purpose Economically. MIHOPE)
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To: SeekAndFind

As “intelligent design” is not science, the cancellation of a film on that subject at the California Science Center seems quite rational.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 6:17:30 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The audience naturally selected it for oblivion.


4 posted on 10/16/2009 6:17:42 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (One Marxist to rule them all, One Marxist to find them, One Marxist to bring them all and in the...)
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To: GeronL

Debating “intelligent design” vs. TTOE is like debating astrology vs astronomy.

It isn’t an alternate theory by any definition, it is just bootstrapping religion as a substitute for science.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 6:18:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Cou)
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To: Buck W.

They wouldn’t even show the film on my theory that man was created from the belly button lint of a giant universal couch potato. Some Science Center!


6 posted on 10/16/2009 6:23:55 PM PDT by AUH2O Repub ( SPalin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Buck W.
As “intelligent design” is not science, the cancellation of a film on that subject at the California Science Center seems quite rational.

Apparently they thought it legit science to begin with, then cancelled later using the contract excuse.

California Science Center president Jeff Rudolph said Thursday the premiere was canceled "because of issues related to the contract." Rudolph declined to elaborate on those issues.

7 posted on 10/16/2009 6:24:17 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Obamanos!)
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To: GeronL

Maybe, but you may soon be surprised how many freepers are feeling a giddy tingling up their leg over “this sort” of censorship.


8 posted on 10/16/2009 6:24:33 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: AUH2O Repub

That’s outrageous!


9 posted on 10/16/2009 6:24:49 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

correction, you obviously WILL.


10 posted on 10/16/2009 6:26:44 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: HerrBlucher

“Apparently they thought it legit science to begin with...”

I seriously doubt that that was the reason for booking the film. ID is a Trojan horse for teaching creation rationalization in public schools.


11 posted on 10/16/2009 6:28:12 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: freedumb2003

what science?

that nothing became something?

that apes evolved from man?


12 posted on 10/16/2009 6:33:59 PM PDT by GeronL (They Made It Happen On Purpose Economically. MIHOPE)
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To: Professional Engineer
The audience powers-that-be naturally selected it for oblivion.

There, fixed it.
13 posted on 10/16/2009 6:38:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Alliance had rented the IMAX theater. It's a separate entity from the Discovery Institute and so whatever the Institute said in a press release should have no bearing on the Alliance contract. But any excuse to keep from being “sullied” by contact or contract with creationists and ID folk.

From alliance web site:
“Non Profit Status
American Freedom Alliance is incorporated in the State of California as a nonprofit public benefit corporation. It is a non profit organization under Section 501 (c) 3 of the Internal Revenue Code. Contributions to AFA are tax deductible under Section 170 of the Code. EID 68-0643445”

14 posted on 10/16/2009 6:57:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GeronL

You conflate abiogenesis and TToE. One has nothing to do with the other.

You also ask a philosophical realm question in a science realm. They are quite different.


15 posted on 10/16/2009 8:08:35 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Cou)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Demanding that science be presented as science is not “censorship.”

Or do you suggest the State has an obligation to present astrology as an alternative to astronomy?


16 posted on 10/16/2009 8:10:19 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Cou)
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To: Buck W.

When I began college (Sept.1953), “Darwin’s Theory” was the trojan horse for teaching evolution in the public schools in and the colleges.

In Geology, the first chapter began with the showing, how the order of the creation of life agreed with the order of evolution, as given in the Bible. Or, how evolution agreed with the Bible as presented in Genesis, the book of beginnings.
Truth in religion and truth in science will always be in harmony, there is no conflict when truth is persued!

“O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.” (1 Timothy 6:20)

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11”1)

“But without faith it is impossible to please Him (God); for he that cometh to God must believe that He (God) is and that He (God) is a rewarder of them that dilgently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6)


17 posted on 10/16/2009 10:05:51 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonyous)
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To: freedumb2003
You conflate abiogenesis and TToE. One has nothing to do with the other.

Depends on the thread, and the setting. ;-D

Cheers!

18 posted on 10/17/2009 12:12:01 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: freedumb2003

Darwinist: “Na na na na na I can’t HEEE...EAR YOU!” A really courageous lot. If truth was on the side of evos, they’d welcome ridiculing the “uninformed” opposition. Bob


19 posted on 10/17/2009 9:26:36 AM PDT by alstewartfan (I)
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To: alstewartfan

>>A really courageous lot. If truth was on the side of evos, they’d welcome ridiculing the “uninformed” opposition. Bob<<

We are not speaking the same language. It isn’t a question of denying the “argument.” It is the4 argument is 100% out of the realm of science.

Or can I go challenge astronomers to “debate” astrology?


20 posted on 10/17/2009 9:56:57 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Cou)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
This threads's title is misleading ... It should read

Cancellation of anti-Darwin film creates uproar.

21 posted on 10/17/2009 11:10:53 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: GeronL
because of issues related to the contract

Those "issues" would be that the AFA violated their contract by issuing a press release mentioning the Center without the preapproval OF the Center.....as their contract clearly states they must do BEFORE issuing the press release.

It has nothing to do with "left" and "right"...

22 posted on 10/19/2009 7:20:30 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: freedumb2003

Astrology, like evolution, is believed by those who desperately want to believe it. Astronomy is scientific, as far as I know. Maybe there are some debates. Evolution is purely speculative, much like astology, in my view.
Before I believe any of the macro-evolutionary tale, I want someone to describe, step by step, how amoebas became human over “billions and billions” of years. Until then, I cast my lot with God and ID. Blessings, Bob


23 posted on 10/21/2009 12:24:00 PM PDT by alstewartfan (I)
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To: alstewartfan

>>Astrology, like evolution, is believed by those who desperately want to believe it. Astronomy is scientific, as far as I know. Maybe there are some debates. Evolution is purely speculative, much like astology, in my view.<<

We need go no further. Your view is not based in science. And my point is that ID is the same as astrology and is NOT by any possible real definition an “alternative theory” since it meets exactly zero criteria for a Scientific Theory.


24 posted on 10/21/2009 3:46:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

There is science in logic, but all us ID’ers must be daft, I suppose. I note that you don’t accept the challenge of transforming an amoeba into a human, by modification through descent, of course. Bob


25 posted on 10/23/2009 3:05:10 PM PDT by alstewartfan (I)
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To: alstewartfan

>>There is science in logic, but all us ID’ers must be daft, I suppose. <<

No, just ignorant.

>>I note that you don’t accept the challenge of transforming an amoeba into a human, by modification through descent, of course. Bob<<

I also can’t create a copy of the Earth. Your very “challenge” illstrates your ignorance of the subject matter.

I can’t help you if you won’t help yourself.


26 posted on 10/23/2009 6:55:07 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: alstewartfan

>>There is science in logic, but all us ID’ers must be daft, I suppose. <<

No, just ignorant.

>>I note that you don’t accept the challenge of transforming an amoeba into a human, by modification through descent, of course. Bob<<

I also can’t create a copy of the Earth. Your very “challenge” illstrates your ignorance of the subject matter.

I can’t help you if you won’t help yourself.


27 posted on 10/23/2009 6:55:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

You can help YOURself by engaging yourself in my suggested mental exercise by imagining the steps that it took to transform an amoeba into a human being, using BILLIONS of years of course. You MAY come to understand how preposterous naturalistic evolution is. Bob


28 posted on 11/05/2009 1:04:07 PM PST by alstewartfan (I)
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To: alstewartfan

>>You MAY come to understand how preposterous naturalistic evolution is. Bob<<

Your inability to understand well-explained stochastic processes is not my problem.

But willful ignorance is never pretty.


29 posted on 11/05/2009 1:15:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

I have never heard of the word “stochastic”, admittedly, but clearly, “stochastic processes” have failed to transform an amoeba into a human in the lab. Frankly, evos use “lawyerese” to obfuscate common sense. I’d sooner comprehend the 2032 page “health care” bill than evolutionary *theory*. What I do know is that “health care” is about Obama accruing Maoist-style government power, and “naturalism” serves the purposes of people who want to destroy people’s concept of God. Blessings, Bob


30 posted on 11/09/2009 12:59:18 PM PST by alstewartfan (I)
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To: alstewartfan

>>What I do know is that “health care” is about Obama accruing Maoist-style government power, and “naturalism” serves the purposes of people who want to destroy people’s concept of God. Blessings, Bob<<

Thanks for serving yourself up as an example of willful ignorance.

May God bless you and have mercy on your soul.


31 posted on 11/09/2009 4:01:35 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: alstewartfan

Oh, and I have to assume you don’t think Geology is a real science since we have never created a planet.

And you still don’t understand my original post, I am sure.


32 posted on 11/09/2009 4:09:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

I believe that BIOLOGY is a real science, even though we’ve never created a human! The theory of macro-evolution is an assumption, NOT based upon testability and repeatability. The idea that an eye, ear, liver, heart, muscle, bone, brain, etc. could have evolved is speculative and counter to common sense, I and many millions believe. I’m not from Mo., but I’m still a cynical guy who demands proof. Yours, Bob


33 posted on 11/10/2009 7:36:02 PM PST by alstewartfan (I)
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To: alstewartfan

>>I believe that BIOLOGY is a real science, even though we’ve never created a human! The theory of macro-evolution is an assumption, NOT based upon testability and repeatability.<<

So, like so many, you admit your ignorance, you assert your ignorance and then insist that science conform to your ignorance.

“I can’t understand it so my gut is the best gauge” is not the way to approach science.

And I said geology, not biology. If you were shooting for an analogy, you missed my point.


34 posted on 11/10/2009 7:42:34 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

No, I didn’t miss your point. It was a silly point, and impossible to aptly analogize. No real science is borne of speculation. When evos speak, my BS meter flies off the charts. You sound as certain as a “global warming” acolyte. And we all now know what their “scientists’ e-mails have revealed! Cordially, Bob


35 posted on 11/23/2009 2:04:37 PM PST by alstewartfan (I)
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