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Signed Certificate of Live Birth for BO

Posted on 10/20/2009 6:54:41 AM PDT by rocco55

I received a signed COLB this AM. It is in a PDF format. I cannot find how to paste it into the post ? I don't now if it's real, but appears to be from a law firm last night at approx. 11:30 PM.

Does anyone know if a PDF file can be posted ?


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To: BIGLOOK

BTTT


151 posted on 10/20/2009 1:00:13 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: danamco

Both forms have the same fields.


152 posted on 10/20/2009 1:03:58 PM PDT by GregNH ("Dc Rally from the Ground" by me http://gwgjlm.blogspot.com/2009/09/dc-rally-from-ground.html)
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To: GregNH

10,580-152=10,428 more to go....


153 posted on 10/20/2009 1:06:28 PM PDT by GregNH ("Dc Rally from the Ground" by me http://gwgjlm.blogspot.com/2009/09/dc-rally-from-ground.html)
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To: mlo; BP2

BP2 is not trolling.


154 posted on 10/20/2009 1:27:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: MHGinTN
"This is an altered exhibit. Look at the pre-printed portion of field 17b ... that’s right, it is partially erased/blacked out, then the ‘spreckle’ pattern applied over it."

It is hard to know at which point the 'spreckle' pattern was applied. Was it on the original or is it a result of the copying process?

White-out tape with a straight edge could have been used to cover the original typing in 17b and the edge could have covered the bottom of the field label, or there could have been a defect in the printing layout of the original and the bottom of all field 17b field names could have been hidden. They didn’t have laser printing back then.

I do note that the boxes for “parent” and “MD” appear clear of ‘spreckles’ and may have been whited out to cover over an x. The HI registry clerk might have incorrectly x’d these boxes from force of habit as the first signature would nearly always be “parent” and the next signature would be “MD”.

155 posted on 10/20/2009 1:28:52 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: MHGinTN
Now how can you claim that, knowing the pirate Roberts swore him in, twice!?

Oops -- sorry I forgot the /sarc tag in that post, forgetting that birthers have no sense of humor.

Flame away!

156 posted on 10/20/2009 1:51:23 PM PDT by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: Beckwith

Could you please read posts 139, 142, and 144 and update The Obama Files? I think that everyone jumped on the “fake” bandwagon because they thought it contradicted with what we know from the other “fake” African BCs.

That is incorrect. Instead, reading all three documents for CONTENT, you will find that they are in complete accord with one another. For example, the latest BC indicates a Kenyan birth.

Post 144 explains why the latest document, which is listed as “altered” , could easily fit in with what we know about Hawaiian laws and procedures. Some times I think we are too willing to call a document fake if it disagrees with our world view. Few of us are truly forensic experts to make such decisions, especially if the document may have gone. through several stages of processing such as being photographed, microfilmed and scanned.

I know that BHO’s minions are out there actively producing fakes and purging information that is not consistent with his “official” biography. However, that doesn’t mean we should dismiss with anything which we fear has been tampered. We should view the validity of a document being valid on a scale of 1 to 100. I don’t think I would put 100 on any document we have yet seen. I would put the Australian BC about a 10. Never completely dismiss a document. Always examine with an open mind.


157 posted on 10/20/2009 1:53:58 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: missnry

Wonder what’s up with the ‘1’ following Honolulu on line 6a. It isn’t even in line with the city, but a bit below it.


158 posted on 10/20/2009 2:26:02 PM PDT by Marmolade
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To: Fractal Trader; Beckwith

Interestingly, Attorney Apuzzo doesn’t have a post (or comment) on this “newly” revealed doc on his blog...yet.


159 posted on 10/20/2009 2:33:32 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: MHGinTN

Yeah, I know, I can’t get over this calling good freepers trolls because they have an opposite view. CO


160 posted on 10/20/2009 2:36:35 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what an antibiotic is to an infection - Healing!!!!)
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To: Fractal Trader; LucyT; Beckwith

just read through all the comments again, can’t see where anyone noted the source of the ‘document’

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/the-blaine-document/

The Blaine Document
October 19, 2009 by John Charlton

WILLIAM BLAINE RELEASES PURPORTED OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
by John Charlton

(Oct. 20, 2009) — At 10:22 PM Last evening someone purporting to be William Blaine issued the following email:

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:15:27 -0400
Subject: Obama Birth Proof
+ Cert.pdf

My client has asked me to share this with you and asks that you share it with as many patriots as possible so that it cannot be scrubbed from existance.

I trust you will know what to do with this.

Attached to this email was the following Certificate of Live Birth of Barack Hussein Obama, which contains no file number:

etc...


161 posted on 10/20/2009 3:08:42 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: rocco55
probably created by Obots to get our side scurrying around.

Very likely. Since they are the ones always pointing out that the 338.17.8 law did not exist in '61. Never bothering to mention that a pretty much equivalent one did.

162 posted on 10/20/2009 3:11:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Seizethecarp

One sig the small “n’s” lines do not all touch the line. The other sig’, all the “n’s” lines touch the line. It’s consistent in each of the top two sigs. And if a forger was that careful with the “n’s”, he’d have been more careful to make more of the sigs different.

That’s just my observation. I have no bias as to whether this is a forgery or not, I am no expert, and of course I’d like it to be genuine. But with no trail or provenance it probably is a forgery.


163 posted on 10/20/2009 3:18:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Fred Nerks
(Oct. 20, 2009) — At 10:22 PM Last evening someone purporting to be William Blaine issued the following email:

http://lawyers.legalhelpmate.com/OH-Lawyer-William-Blaine-88782.aspx



William E. Blaine

, Attorney at Law.
Contact Info:
Phone:
Fax:
Main Office Location:
5 East Long Street
Columbus, OHIO, 43215






164 posted on 10/20/2009 3:20:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

On the Post and Mail site, it says that the Martin Blaine Ericson was the doctor, and a doctor in HI woudln’t have signed if the birht was in Kenya.

It looks to me as though there are two XXs next to “Other”, and the MD, DO and midwife are empty. So, if it is authentic, the Ericson guy is “other”, not doctor.


165 posted on 10/20/2009 3:29:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Red Steel; LucyT

thanks...always pays to dig a little deeper...


166 posted on 10/20/2009 3:32:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: BP2

Name
Location of Birth
Birth Cert #
Date/Time Born

Barack Hussein Obama II
Kapiolani Medical Center ?
151-61-10641?
Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm ?

Susan Elizabeth Nordyke
Kapiolani Medical Center
151-61-10637
Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm

Gretchen Carter Nordyke
Kapiolani Medical Center
151-61-10638
Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm

Note also the registration dates. Aug. 8, 1961 for Obama, Aug. 11, 1961 for the Nordyke twins. (Aug 8 was a Tuesday, the 11th the next Friday. With that much time between the filings, you’d really have expected his certificate number to be quite a bit lower, rather than 3 higher than the younger of the Nordykes, Gretchen. You’d expect his to be 3 days, or at least 2, worth of births *lower* than theirs.

Not to mention the question of why his was filed so much faster than theirs, given that all were born on the weekend.


167 posted on 10/20/2009 3:36:39 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: little jeremiah

Yes the ‘other’ box is “x”ed. The ‘Martin Blaine Ericson’ could be a Hawaiian DoH official, or a vouching witness to a live birth along with Grandma Dunham?


168 posted on 10/20/2009 3:36:55 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: BP2

Do we have any files of Barry’s own handwriting, perhaps a sentence or two in hbis handwriting? Leaving out the “E” in Madelyn Payne Dunham is the sort of careless error a teenage forger would make. And it would be instructive to have an example of Stanley Ann’s handwriting, too.


169 posted on 10/20/2009 3:41:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: BIGLOOK
The mother's and the father's signatures are not on the document, only Madelyn's as informant.

that is actually the way a home birth would be filed. Although the mother could sign as the informant, and grandma as the witness.

I wonder who signed as the witness for my granddaughters' youngest cousin? He was born in the ambulance on the side of the road. The tech had of course never delivered a baby before. Fortunately it was Aunt C's third child, so she knew what to do. :)

170 posted on 10/20/2009 3:43:41 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: little jeremiah

The middle name and the last name of the supposed source seem to be spelled the same. I wonder if the files of an attorney related to William Blaine were the source of the exhibit, or if we are being lead to that notion?


171 posted on 10/20/2009 3:43:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Ann Dunham handwriting samples

http://home.att.net/~south.tower/Annwriting1.htm


172 posted on 10/20/2009 3:47:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: tutstar
Have you seen this one from Africa?

That's the obviouslly fake one. This is the better one. Allegedly from the Hospital, not the central registry of the goverment.


173 posted on 10/20/2009 3:52:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: MHGinTN
http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=Martin&name=Erickson&where=HI

M Erickson Edit

Kamuela, HI

(808) 887-1655


174 posted on 10/20/2009 3:55:09 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Marmolade
Wonder what’s up with the ‘1’ following Honolulu on line 6a. It isn’t even in line with the city, but a bit below it.

It is a footnote, entered on line 33(Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alterations)

Hence the - 1. Birthplace: Kenya, Africa;Registered Honolulu. HRS-338-17.8 per Grandmother

175 posted on 10/20/2009 3:58:38 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Fred Nerks
These people related to Martin Erikson?

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Search Successful!  2 Results for Martin Erikson in HI

Simply click "That's The One" to access detailed information on the person you select.

Name Age Locations Possible Relatives View Full Details
Michael S Honolulu Kamuela  HI HI  Michael S Erickson
M Erickson
  Honolulu, HI
Kamuela, HI 
Harold W Erickson
Mary M Erickson 
That's the one
Miranda Seattle Honolulu  WA HI  Miranda Erekson
M Erekson
  Seattle, WA
Honolulu, HI 
Amanda K Erekson
Tadashi Erekson 
That's the one
All people are filtered. Please expand your criteria with a new search below.

176 posted on 10/20/2009 4:01:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
One more 99+ year old Martin Erikson...could be him. Kansas, the same state that the Dunhams originate.

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177 posted on 10/20/2009 4:05:27 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Fred Nerks

Thank you, M’am. Well, it wasn’t Stanley Ann who signed Madlyn Payne Dunham.


178 posted on 10/20/2009 4:15:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Since Barry is a lefty, it probably wasn’t him, either. I wonder ... do we have handwriting samples for Billy Ayers and his Bernadine?


179 posted on 10/20/2009 4:20:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Red Steel

the ‘signature’ appears to ERICSON. I see no ‘k’


180 posted on 10/20/2009 4:25:15 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: MHGinTN

I was wondering about that too.

Another thing just crossed my mind.

On actual legal documents, sometimes there are anomalies. Spelling, dates, things typed in the wrong spaced, left there or subsequently whited out, etc. Not often, but occasionally. So one anomaly doesn’t necessarily, IMO, give the stamp of “forgery”. The accuracy (as far as what is known) is of equal or more importance, as well as provenance or chain of custody.

I am just a know-nothing, but just from what I’ve seen this can’t be ruled one way or another, although probably fake.


181 posted on 10/20/2009 4:25:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: MHGinTN

Also, since if this authentic, it would have been filed by the grandmother in a sort of unusual method anyway so that automatically makes it not like most of the other birth certificates.


182 posted on 10/20/2009 4:26:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Fred Nerks

That’s what I saw, too.

And I either didn’t notice or it didn’t register, or didn’t say, did the origianl procurer of the purported document say he had the paper in hand? Or is it only on the internet?


183 posted on 10/20/2009 4:30:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, but it’s a close enough lead that it should be checked out.


184 posted on 10/20/2009 4:37:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: little jeremiah

You are correct to a degree. If you look at the Nordyke BC’s you will see differences between them, like one say “Honolulu Hawaii” and the other says “Honolulu Oahu”. So one could argue that one was fake, but we know they are genuine and that anomaly is just a mistake on the part of the preparer.


185 posted on 10/20/2009 4:37:59 PM PDT by GregNH ("Dc Rally from the Ground" by me http://gwgjlm.blogspot.com/2009/09/dc-rally-from-ground.html)
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To: little jeremiah

this is all I know...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2366539/posts?page=161#161


186 posted on 10/20/2009 4:39:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Most times this stuff bugs me, JJ. Here’s another image of an unsubstantiated document that could have been found in a bottle on the beach for all we know. The problem in this and every case is provenance and the chain of evidence is lacking. It’s lacking because it never existed.


187 posted on 10/20/2009 4:42:15 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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To: Marmolade

That 1 following Honolulu is a footnote referring to the 1 in Box 23: “1. Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu”


188 posted on 10/20/2009 4:42:41 PM PDT by danielh41
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To: MHGinTN
“Leaving out the “E” in Madelyn Payne Dunham is the sort of careless error a teenage forger would make.”

True, but my signature is missing more that a few legible letters, and she was a bank officer who had to crank out lots of signatures. Your reflexive signature (and it becomes a sort of reflex for professional signers) can morph into something less than perfect...and news that your 18-year-old daughter just had your first grand baby in Kenya could play on your nerves a bit!

189 posted on 10/20/2009 4:51:36 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Red Steel

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2366539/posts?page=161#161

WILLIAM BLAINE

Your comment #164:

WILLIAM E BLAINE

I’m wondering what the middle initial may stand for - could it be ‘Ericson’?


190 posted on 10/20/2009 5:00:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Red Steel

William E Jr Blaine from zip code 43221

http://watchdog.net/contrib/43221/william_e_jr_blaine

same Blaine?


191 posted on 10/20/2009 5:15:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Red Steel

WHO STARTED THE REV. GLENN FOUNDATION?
The Foundation was established in 1984 through a gift honoring Rev. Glenn by William E. Blaine, Jr., a prominent Columbus attorney and businessman and longtime National Church Residences Trustee. It was Mr. Blaine’s dream to establish a fund that would honor our founder and also help NCR continue to provide decent, safe, affordable housing and services to more modest income people.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GPEA_enAU302AU306&q=William+E+Blaine+attorney&start=10&sa=N

SEE;

[DOC] RevFile Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML
Glenn by William E. Blaine, Jr., a prominent Columbus attorney and businessman and longtime National Church Residences Trustee. It was Mr. Blaine’s dream to ...
missionday.org/RevJohnRGlennFdntQ&A.doc - Similar


192 posted on 10/20/2009 5:38:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Interesting...


193 posted on 10/20/2009 5:49:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rocco55; IntolerantOfTreason
Here is the info from Dr. Taitz's site that I was referring to earlier: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2367084/posts?page=1#1

Too lazy at the moment to reformat that, as I just did for that post.

194 posted on 10/20/2009 6:14:05 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Fred Nerks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2367084/posts?page=1
Odd that these both appear to come from someone at William Blaine law ...
195 posted on 10/20/2009 6:37:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I also thought that...but the dates are the same, confusing?


196 posted on 10/20/2009 6:44:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: rxsid
I'll do it for you since I have the ability to select html source and paste it very quickly.

- - - - -

This (appears) to be an application for a Kenyan Certification of Birth?

This was originally (now gone) posted on Dr. Taitz's site:

"Dr. Orly Taitz Esquire
FW: OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ?!?! Born in Kenya ! Monday, October 19, 2009 8:15 PM. From: “John Clark” ccir@msn.com. View contact details ...
www.orlytaitzesq.com/ - Similar

from William Blaine law

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FW: OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ?!?! Born in Kenya !
Monday, October 19, 2009 8:15 PM
From: “John Clark” ccir@msn.com

View contact details
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Message contains attachments
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From: ncir@earthlink.net
Subject: FW: OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ?!?! Born in Kenya !
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:09:42 -0800

Barbara Coe
ncir@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.

—– Original Message —–
From: Jeff Schwilk
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: 10/19/2009 6:52:23 PM
Subject: OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH ?!?! Born in Kenya !

IS THIS IT ??? see attached.

Is this the elusive Hawaii certificate of live birth showing Obama was born in Kenya, or is this a very elaborate hoax? We’ll find out soon! If this is real, you are one of the first in the nation to see it!

—– Original Message —–
From: William Blaine
To: wblainelaw@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: Obama Birth Proof
My client has asked me to share this with you and asks that you share it with as many patriots as possible so that it cannot be scrubbed from existance.

I trust you will know what to do with this.

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197 posted on 10/20/2009 7:17:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: danamco

It mentions just the country, right? Not the country AND the continent.


198 posted on 10/20/2009 8:00:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Seizethecarp

It’s a fake, trying to heat up the issue while they pass health care. Don’t fall for it.


199 posted on 10/20/2009 8:45:27 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: BP2

2nd this. Especially when they are talking about it at DU.


200 posted on 10/20/2009 8:46:14 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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