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Thirty-five years later, George Foreman finally at peace with epic loss to Muhammad Ali
LA Times/AP ^ | 10/28/2009 | TIM DAHLBERG

Posted on 10/28/2009 6:16:43 PM PDT by Saije

The reminder that yet another anniversary is here had George Foreman thinking that maybe it's time to visit an old friend.

They once had their differences, once came to blows. Time, though, is a great healer.

"Maybe I should go and see him," Foreman said. "He's like a brother. We're that close."

They weren't 35 years ago, on an early morning in Africa when all Foreman had in mind was dealing some serious hurt to Muhammad Ali. He had been in Zaire way too long as it was, and the big, brooding heavyweight champion was in no mood to take any nonsense from anybody.

That included Ali, whom Foreman saw as little more than his next knockout victim.

"I figured no one could stand up to me," Foreman said during a recent telephone interview from his home in Houston. "I went out there to knock him out."

Ali had other ideas. Ten years had passed since he shocked the world by winning the heavyweight title against Sonny Liston, and he knew a thing or two about beating a bully.

The great trainer Cus D'Amato had given him a piece of advice for the fight: Hit him as hard as you can with the first punch, Cus said, and let him know you're there.

Others had tried it, others had failed. But none was Muhammad Ali.

In Foreman's dressing room before the fight, the mood was as dark as the African night. This wasn't going to last long, and the price Ali would pay would be dreadful.

"There's death in the air," a Foreman camp member kept shouting.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: History; Sports
KEYWORDS: ali; boxing; foreman; zaire
Rumble in the Jungle.
1 posted on 10/28/2009 6:16:44 PM PDT by Saije
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To: Saije

George has something that Ali can’t buy...his health.


2 posted on 10/28/2009 6:19:23 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Saije

I met Foreman in Vegas about 10 yrs ago - Big Big guy and very polite and kind.


3 posted on 10/28/2009 6:20:21 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: Saije

George:

Muhhamed Ali has Parkinson’s disease. He is going to die a miserable suffering Muslim.

You have 10 kids (5 named George), Meineke and the Lean Mean Grilling Machine (all pretty good products).

Who’s better off?


4 posted on 10/28/2009 6:24:58 PM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Saije

5 posted on 10/28/2009 6:25:38 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Saije

Forget that coming-to-terms-with-it nonsense . . . I say George should challenge him to a rematch!


6 posted on 10/28/2009 6:35:37 PM PDT by TheVitaminPress
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To: buccaneer81
George has a lot more than that.

George has class, for one thing.

7 posted on 10/28/2009 6:42:36 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: Saije
Foreman was one fearsome hombre.
Dang! That fight with Joe Frasier before he even fought Ali in Kinshasa..he just destroyed Frazier..and Frazier is no walkover. He is a great boxer in his own right.
After Foreman had annihilated Frasier, I was really convinced Foreman was going to slaughter Ali, but then Ali used his head, out-phsyched, and outsmarted Foreman with that rope-a-dope, and sent Foreman crashing down. Ali is really one of the best boxers that ever lived.
8 posted on 10/28/2009 6:44:38 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe
Foreman was an animal in those days. And not a nice animal, either.

Interesting what I was saying about class. He certainly showed it in the last line of this article:

"I don't call him [Ali] the best boxer of all time," Foreman said, "but he's the greatest human being I ever met."

*I* wouldn't have said that about Muhammad Ali! Lol.

9 posted on 10/28/2009 6:51:14 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield
George has a lot more than that. George has class, for one thing.

I agree.

10 posted on 10/28/2009 7:02:15 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: john in springfield

I wouldn’t call ali the best of all time either. The best since color television maybe.

Joe louis
jack dempsey
Sugar ray(the first one)

These guys were better than ali. But ali certainly was the most unusual, most entertaining, most surprising, most exciting, and most charismatic.

I watch old movies of ali’s fights over and over and I still can’t believe he wins them. It really is amazing. The guy is a miracle in the ring...a real life pretty boy that fights big tough guys using his brain...AND FREEKING WINS! That is a favorite storyline in movies, but in real life it never never almost never ever happens. It just doesn’t.

And yet, with ali, it does.

I honestly think that had ali never been born, boxing would’ve died out 25 years ago or more. It would’ve gone the way of bowling.


11 posted on 10/28/2009 7:04:47 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre
boxing would’ve died out 25 years ago or more.

It has been dead almost that long. Aside from Tyson stories, when is the last time you saw popular culture and media cover boxing?

12 posted on 10/28/2009 7:07:40 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: SmokingJoe

And Foreman knocked out Ken Norton. Norton was a great fighter. Ali broke his jaw but he still finished the fight. Big George was simply too angry. He was sullen. But I was pulling for him. I couldn’t stand Ali’s big mouth even though it was an act.

As for Frazier, I’ll always believe he beat Ali twice. I thought Foreman would kill Ali. A lot of us thought that.

I loved watching the fights on ABC’s Wide World of Sports on Saturday afternoons. I watch the Ali - Ron Lyle fight. Lyle had him whipped and the ref stopped the fight and gave it to Ali. I’ll always believe that and Lyle always believed it. And the announcers were shocked that the fight was stopped.

Oh, how I long for the good old days. Three T.V. channels so after the fights we kids had to use our imaginations to have fun.


13 posted on 10/28/2009 7:08:16 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I hate all politicians...including republicans.)
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To: buccaneer81

Ali gave George a gift, humility.


14 posted on 10/28/2009 7:08:27 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for Obama.)
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To: Saije

I’ve met George Foreman and had a few brief email conversations with him and he’s a wonderful man. Full of joy and goodness and love toward mankind. I treasure a picture I have of Mr. Foreman holding my elder kid when she was about 2 years old. What a guy!

The world could use more people like George Foreman.


15 posted on 10/28/2009 7:10:14 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Hey 0bama, Kenya show us the long-form BC? ))))
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To: mamelukesabre

I won’t watch this UFC crap. It’s nothing but animals. But I would love to see one of those “bad asses” get in the ring with Big George in his prime. One punch from that huge right hand and it would be over.


16 posted on 10/28/2009 7:10:53 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I hate all politicians...including republicans.)
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To: jwalsh07
Ali gave George a gift, humility.

Too bad that gift wasn't passed on to Tyson.

17 posted on 10/28/2009 7:12:19 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Tyson has no redeeming qualitites, George Foreman did and does. It would be like asking that the Chairman be instilled with patriotism. Some things are not possible.


18 posted on 10/28/2009 7:13:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can do for Obama.)
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To: JoeProBono

One of my favorite pics from The Onion.


19 posted on 10/28/2009 7:17:00 PM PDT by GOPyouth (Obama doesn't support it, except when he does.)
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To: kidd

Maybe you didn’t read the end...””I don’t call him the best boxer of all time,” Foreman said, “but he’s the greatest human being I ever met.”


20 posted on 10/28/2009 7:20:26 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: john in springfield
Foreman was an animal in those days. And not a nice animal, either. “

Oh yes.
I don't mind telling ya, he really scared me as a kid. He was a really scary guy. I haven't seen any heavyweight boxer who I thought was as strong, and evoked as much fear as Foreman did at his peak.

I don't call him [Ali] the best boxer of all time,” Foreman said, “but he's the greatest human being I ever met.”

*I* wouldn't have said that about Muhammad Ali!Lol.*"

Same here.
I'd put it the other way round. Ali is the greatest boxer I have ever seen, but the “greatest human being”? No way. Still, it's nice of Foreman to say so.

21 posted on 10/28/2009 7:34:45 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Terry Mross

” won’t watch this UFC crap. It’s nothing but animals. But I would love to see one of those “bad asses” get in the ring with Big George in his prime. One punch from that huge right hand and it would be over.”

Your right although it would be fun to see that with any one of those mentioned above.Formen, Ali, Frasier, Norton Ron Lyle.


22 posted on 10/28/2009 7:38:05 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: JoeProBono

OMG! Is that for real! :’D


23 posted on 10/28/2009 7:45:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Terry Mross
As for Frazier, I’ll always believe he beat Ali twice.”

Th first Ali versus Frasier fight, the one that Frasier won, will do down as one of the best fights I have ever seen. Like you said, the second and third could have been judged either way. Frasier never thought he lost those 2 fights.
Ahhh..those were the days, when boxing was boxing.
Today, I don't even know who the heavyweight champion is, let alone seen him fight. Sigh.

24 posted on 10/28/2009 7:51:10 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

The problem is current heavyweights just rear back for the knockout. No strategy, no finesse. So it is either a :40 bout, ore a long lumbering match of bear hugs.


25 posted on 10/28/2009 9:35:27 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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