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Are all men potential rapists?
The Province ^ | 10.29.09 | Eathan Baron

Posted on 10/28/2009 6:51:38 PM PDT by libh8er

All men are potential rapists. Agree or disagree?

That's a claim by Aurea Flynn, speaking for Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter, in the wake of a brutal sex attack this weekend on a 24-year-old woman in Vancouver's upscale West Point Grey.

I spent about 20 minutes Monday talking to Flynn about rape, and agreed with nearly everything she said.

Rape is about power and control, domination by a man over a woman — check.

Sexual assault is so widespread that one in four Canadian women will experience it — check.

Men need to speak out against violence against women, because our gender is to blame — check.

But I am not a potential rapist, and I don't think Flynn's claim is in any way helpful.

Painting all men with the same brush greatly hampers the co-operation between genders that's needed to properly address our epidemic of sexual violence.

I get where Flynn is coming from. The fact that the threat of male violence restricts the freedom of women, and keeps them living with a constant undercurrent of fear, is profoundly unjust. Sexual attacks cause life-long damage. And far too many of my gender believe that women are lesser beings than men, that their rights in every area are somehow subservient to ours.

We should all be as angry as Flynn.

But the approach of Stephanie Reifferscheid, of Vancouver's Women Against Violence Against Women's rape crisis centre, makes a great deal more sense.

"All men have the capacity to be loving, caring, respectful human beings," Reifferscheid says.

Sadly, many men fail to exercise that capacity.

Rapes by acquaintances and sexual violence within relationships occur much more frequently than stranger attacks, such as the one Sunday in which a man repeatedly punched and then sexually assaulted a woman out walking. But all varieties of sexual violence reflect "a sense of entitlement towards women and women's bodies," Reifferscheid says.

It was only in the 1980s that it became illegal for Canadian men to rape their wives, she notes.

Sexualization of women in the media leads them to be valued as objects of male gratification, rather than for the intellectual and professional abilities they share equally with men.

Not only does this devaluation hinder social and economic equality, it helps turn women into potential victims of the ultimate male power trip: rape.

Reifferscheid points out that, while men commonly commit random physical, non-sexual attacks against other men, when a man is randomly attacking a woman, the violence is often sexual. The man is hitting her where, in his mind, her value rests: in her sexuality.

Men need to start paying more attention to the value we and our friends and associates put on women, and ensure that our words and actions do not reinforce the inequality between the sexes.

At a broader level, says Reifferscheid, politicians and policymakers must make women's equality a central focus of governance, to set societal standards that put women on the same level as men.

We men are not all potential rapists. But we owe it to women to give them the value that is their due, as equals to men in every way — except perhaps when it comes to arm-wrestling and peeing your name in the snow.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: feminazi; feminazism; feminoid; irrational; rape; rapist

1 posted on 10/28/2009 6:51:38 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: libh8er

are all women potential whores?


2 posted on 10/28/2009 6:52:31 PM PDT by blackminorca
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To: blackminorca

If all men are potential rapists, they are.


3 posted on 10/28/2009 6:54:08 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: libh8er

They are all potential thieves and murderers also, women too. The capacity for evil is in each one of us.


4 posted on 10/28/2009 6:55:49 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: blackminorca

The answer to both questions is “yes”, with a caveat. A man is a potential rapist only if he is functional sexually. Otherwise he is only a potential molester or batterer/assaulter.

What a dumb question.


5 posted on 10/28/2009 6:56:15 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: libh8er

People have potential. Some degenerate, most do not. Hence we are left with this thing called civilization.


6 posted on 10/28/2009 6:58:22 PM PDT by allmost
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To: libh8er

>>But I am not a potential rapist...<<

He is if he has a functioning penis. However, although he is, by definition, a potential rapist, it may be highly unlikely that he would rape. Same goes for me.

All people are potential murderers by virtue of their God given ability to actually do it. The RELEVANT question is, how much of a risk are you to actually do it.


7 posted on 10/28/2009 6:58:38 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: john in springfield
Same-same. This piece of doggydoo has been smeared on the walls of colleges and universities from coast to coast for thirty years. Feminazis in the guise of various sordid brands of "counselors" love to get earnest young college students to buy into it and make young men feel castrated by vicarious shame.

Pretty transparent, but it has had staying power in the rabbit warrens of academia.

8 posted on 10/28/2009 6:59:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: libh8er
Absolutely not.
9 posted on 10/28/2009 7:00:25 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: libh8er

I think that this article is very narrow minded, as it automatically assumes that all rape and sexual assault victims are female. Of course, it is abhorrent when a woman is violated sexually, but we have to keep in mind here that rape and sexual abuse can happen to anyone. The article mentions how the media is demeaning to women, implying that the issue is misogyny or degradation of the female, but it also says that rape is an act of violence, not passion or sexuality. Therefore, it would be wise to focus more on aggression in the rapist than on gender roles. The fact of the matter is that according to official statistics, at least 10% of all rape victims are male. Of course, the actual numbers are much probably much higher, as males a subjected to society’s stereotype that men are supposed to be strong and able to protect themselves. So when a guy is raped, he is most likely not going to come forward and admit it, because he will feel ashamed or that his masculinity has somehow been compromised. Let’s just try to see the broader picture, here.


10 posted on 10/28/2009 7:00:51 PM PDT by sharebearsundae
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To: RobRoy
What a dumb question.

Which one?

11 posted on 10/28/2009 7:01:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: libh8er

As I understand it, there are people in the Obama administration who think that all babies are potential humans (After a certain age of course)


12 posted on 10/28/2009 7:04:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: libh8er

>>Painting all men with the same brush greatly hampers the co-operation between genders that’s needed to properly address our epidemic of sexual violence.<<

To me, that is the relevant kernel to this. My ex-wife went to training at our church to become a counselor to abused women. In the process I watched her learn about all the different forms of abuse, right down to not taking out the trash when your wife asks you to.

I told her one day that they had so broadened the word as to make ALL husbands de-facto abusers of their wives. Instead of discussing it with me rationally, she really got angry and accused me of having an anger problem. ;)

It led to our divorce. Interestingly, the church (at my request) tried to bring us back together. In one meeting of four male elders and three women, she made her case against me, using notes from a notepad, line iteming my abuses. After the meeting one elder came to me and said that list pretty much applied to every man and woman in the room and made him and one woman specifically, very uncomfortable.

Long diatribe, but the bottom line is this stuff has to be treated in varyous levels, just as doing 71 in a 70 speed zone is different than doing 71 in a school zone.


13 posted on 10/28/2009 7:05:00 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Cyber Liberty

The title of the thread. :)


14 posted on 10/28/2009 7:05:22 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: libh8er

There was guy who on G Gordon Liddy’s show about 10 years ago, I believe it was Randy THornhill who claimed all mammals used raped as a sexual strategy.


15 posted on 10/28/2009 7:06:30 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: RobRoy

I agree. I think the other question is a reasonable comeback to that question.


16 posted on 10/28/2009 7:06:52 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: RobRoy

yes


17 posted on 10/28/2009 7:07:08 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Yup!


18 posted on 10/28/2009 7:07:13 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: libh8er

1 in 4 women in Canada get raped? That’s a pretty large percentage. (so much for visiting Canada!) I don’t think ALL men are potential rapists...because rape is an act of agression and violence and realistically - the rapist is pathetic.

Not all men are violent, and some actually love women. No man with a good heart or solid morals would rape a woman.
What’s going on up there in Canada? Are men not charged and convicted with rape? What’s going on in the legal system?
A convicted male rapist in the US can look forward to a lovely stay (no matter how short a stay) in prison - where he becomes the rape victim (I understand there is a 100% chance of getting violently sodomized in prison). Same goes with child molesters.
Then when he gets out he’s on the sex offenders list and I would imagine, getting a job would be quite difficult. It’s hard enough to get a job with out the legal baggage!


19 posted on 10/28/2009 7:15:04 PM PDT by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: libh8er

All women are potential rapists too. And potential murderers, and potential everything else. We all are.

As long as each of us has a functioning brain and free will, we are all capable of every kind of evil. So from this FACT, we can extrapolate and say that smart people are capable of more evil than dumb people.

KILL ALL THE SMARTIES NOW! Our children won’t be safe as long as these sickos live.

And castrate all the men and spey all the women. make sure everyone wears a crash helmet and safety glasses and safety shoes. Otherwise WE SHALL ALL PERISH HORRIBLY AND UNIMAGINABLY!

AHHHHH! ITS THE END OF THE WOOOORLD!


20 posted on 10/28/2009 7:15:14 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: libh8er

>Rape is about power and control, domination by a man over a woman — check.

Then explain the several woman-teacher rapes male-student stories we’ve heard just this year.

>Sexual assault is so widespread that one in four Canadian women will experience it — check.

And Women’s Suffrage is so widespread that MORE than 9 in 10 women will experience it in either the US or Canada!

>Men need to speak out against violence against women, because our gender is to blame — check.

Ah, so the blame rests squarely on men... kinda like how the blame for World War One was laid on Germany? My question is where the Male version of Versailles was held (and when)...


21 posted on 10/28/2009 7:15:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: allmost

I guess some of us will just never reach our potential.


22 posted on 10/28/2009 7:18:13 PM PDT by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: Perdogg

Monkeys do. And we’re just big smart monkeys, right? That’s what the darwinists tell us.


23 posted on 10/28/2009 7:19:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: libh8er

Not Lindsey Graham. He’s missing two essential ingredients


24 posted on 10/28/2009 7:25:27 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: libh8er

I have never been capable of rape, but should anyone rape one of my loved ones, I am extremely capable of murder.


25 posted on 10/28/2009 7:25:36 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: Gator113

bttt


26 posted on 10/28/2009 7:25:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: nagdt
1 in 4 women in Canada get raped ?

That's one hundred percent horse manure. I am sure their definition of rape includes looking at a woman with "bad" intentions.

27 posted on 10/28/2009 7:26:02 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: libh8er

Oh, my. Andrea Dworkin has risen from the grave.


28 posted on 10/28/2009 7:28:47 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Gator113

Right on Gator!


29 posted on 10/28/2009 7:30:43 PM PDT by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: fanfan

Ping.

Waiting for local news to come on.


30 posted on 10/28/2009 7:31:27 PM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123)
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To: libh8er

What ever happened to assault with a friendly weapon


31 posted on 10/28/2009 7:38:41 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: libh8er

I will never rape a women. I am way more likely to kill someone than sexually abuse another human.


32 posted on 10/28/2009 7:59:52 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: libh8er
the ultimate male power trip: rape.

This guy has issues.

33 posted on 10/28/2009 8:05:10 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: libh8er
Men need to speak out against violence against women, because our gender is to blame

About 40 years ago we started "speaking out against violence," rather than dangling the perpetrators from trees. How's that working out so far?


34 posted on 10/28/2009 8:10:28 PM PDT by bornred
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To: libh8er

“Speaking out” - is that a euphemism for beating the crap out of the pervert and then beating him some more? If it’s not I don’t see the value in it.

Or am I not allowed to say the word “pervert” anymore? It’s not like we can make any judgements about someone’s sexual behavior until after the rape occurs - since that might actually prevent the crime in the first place - instead we “speak out” after the fact and then pat ourselves on the back about how “loving, caring and respectful” we are.


35 posted on 10/28/2009 8:44:05 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: libh8er
But I am not a potential rapist, and I don't think Flynn's claim is in any way helpful.

Silly assertions are always the product of tiny minds. The word "potential" simply means having the ability. That's a fact.

Just as it is a fact that all women are potential rapists, too.

So I'm certainly not taking this idiot's statement seriously enough to write an entire column in rebuttal. None is necessary.

36 posted on 10/28/2009 10:55:21 PM PDT by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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