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Mega-star explosion most distant object ever seen
Yahoo! News ^ | Oct 28, 2009 | Yahoo

Posted on 10/29/2009 8:03:26 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814

PARIS (AFP) – It took 13 billion years to reach Earth, but astronomers have seen the light of an exploding mega-star that is the most distant object ever detected, two studies published Thursday reported.

The stunning gamma-ray burst (GRB) was observed by two teams of researchers in April, and opens a window onto a poorly known period when the Universe was in its infancy.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; bigbang; science; stringtheory

1 posted on 10/29/2009 8:03:27 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814
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To: GL of Sector 2814

I wonder how its third planet handled the Global Warming?


2 posted on 10/29/2009 8:07:53 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
IIRC, current theory is that the universe is a little more than 13 billion years old.
IIRC, stars become supernova when they exhaust their supply of hydrogen.

How long does it take for a Megastar to exhaust its supply of hydrogen?
Is it surprising that this happened 13 billion years ago?

3 posted on 10/29/2009 8:10:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hypergiant stars only have a lifetime of a few million years, so it’s not surprising that some were exploding 13 billion years ago.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 8:14:10 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Megastars burn through their fuel at a very rapid rate. For a Blue Giant star you are talking about only a few million years before it supernovas.


5 posted on 10/29/2009 8:15:24 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: GL of Sector 2814; C19fan
Thanks for the info.

Can you tell me how long it takes to form a mega-star? I believe these can be about 20 times the mass of our sun. I'm thinking that gathering much a vast quantity of material would take a while -- but maybe it all comes together in just a few million years? And then burns up in a few million years? Are these massive hyperstars just little blinks in the age of the universe?

6 posted on 10/29/2009 8:31:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
The discovery is especially exciting for scientists because the explosion occurred during the so-called "cosmic dark ages", which started a mere 400,000 years after the Big Bang set the Universe in motion some 13.7 billion years ago. During this period, free electrons and protons combined to form neutral atoms with the same number of positive and negative charges, resulting in an opaque -- or "dark" -- universe. Not until 800 to 900 million years after the Big Bang were atoms and molecules "re-ionised", or electrically charged, resulting in the relatively transluscent inter-galactic medium we see today.

Thus evening came, and morning followed, the first day.

7 posted on 10/29/2009 8:31:35 AM PDT by Claud
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To: ClearCase_guy

From what I understand, just an amateur, these giant stars tend to form in denser dust clouds. I do not know the time it takes to form compared to out ordinary Sun but given the higher density of the dust gravity takes over and I do not believe one is talking about a big difference but as I said this is pure conjecture on my part.


8 posted on 10/29/2009 8:38:40 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: GL of Sector 2814

save


9 posted on 10/29/2009 8:45:38 AM PDT by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Found this on wikipedia:

In high mass stars, the length of the star formation process is comparable to the other timescales of their evolution, much shorter, and the process is not so well defined.

For stars with masses higher than about 8 solar masses, however, the mechanism of star formation is not well understood.


10 posted on 10/29/2009 8:47:19 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: GL of Sector 2814
WOW!
11 posted on 10/29/2009 8:47:26 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae Cum Ita Sunt - Julius Caesar "Since these things are so!">)
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To: C19fan

Thanks!


12 posted on 10/29/2009 8:51:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: C19fan

You are correct. Also note that there are practical upper limits to the masses of stars. A star with too much material in it may never become stable. The effect of convection will be so great that a fairly fixed surface may not be able to form. Look up Eta Carinae for an example.


13 posted on 10/29/2009 8:51:21 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Has anyone stopped to think maybe we're getting a first-hand look at


14 posted on 10/29/2009 9:05:25 AM PDT by JRios1968 (The real first rule of Fight Club: don't invite Chuck Norris...EVER)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

BFL


15 posted on 10/29/2009 9:11:09 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: C19fan
Megastars burn through their fuel at a very rapid rate. For a Blue Giant star you are talking about only a few million years before it supernovas.

Speaking of supernova, I shot this supernova remnant last week. It was a series of 16x150 second exposures, calibrated, aligned and stacked.

This supernova exploded about 7000 years ago, and is about 2,000 light-years distance from earth.

Veil Nebula NGC 6992


16 posted on 10/29/2009 9:26:39 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

That is so cool ad beautiful. Was that with amateur equipment?


17 posted on 10/29/2009 9:38:39 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

You bet. Using a Canon, 40D shooting raw, with a 9 year old scope, from my small, backyard observatory.


18 posted on 10/29/2009 9:43:10 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

I remember reading astronomy magazines in the 1970s which often included amateur photos. The amateur photos I see today are far more impressive! I can only assume it’s the equipment.


19 posted on 10/29/2009 9:58:27 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
The amateur photos I see today are far more impressive! I can only assume it’s the equipment.

Well I take credit for building the mount the scope sits on, staying up all night, adjusting the tracking for the scope to be near perfect or close, fighting for critical focus, and learning imaging techniques in regards to obtaining the raws, darks, and flat images, and then processing the data once the images are obtained...lol

But other than that, your absolutely correct.

The new digital cameras...DSLR and CCD cameras are fabulous for astronomical imaging, dramatically cutting down on tracking times, exposures times etc....But then again it opens up a entire set of new factors, like techniques in processing the images and data, which is an extensive complex combination of science and art...I have much to learn here...lol...

The processing side of it is like the new photo lab or modern "dark room" so to speak, which I really enjoy.

All the images I take, I will never over-process, and what you see in the image, is basically what the telescope saw...All I do is attempt to bring out, or squeeze out the existing data in the image. I really enjoy the image processing part, but I need to add, there are a lot of people out there that do much better work than I do.

20 posted on 10/29/2009 10:15:53 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Correction: All the images I take, I will never over-process, and what you see in the image, is basically what the telescope camera saw.
21 posted on 10/29/2009 10:53:20 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Holy flipping cow that is stunning. Simply stunning.

Do you have more of these online somewhere?


22 posted on 10/29/2009 11:35:44 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

Thanks!

I’m almost done processing M1, a massive supernova explosion remnant in the constellation of Taurus which was first seen by the Chinese in ancient times, around 1054.

When I’m done I’ll put it up.

BTW, I sent you a pm.


23 posted on 10/29/2009 1:12:07 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

How do they form? It’s all about the infall. You get enough gas and dust crammed in there fast enough, you get an absolutely massive star. The problem is that there are believed to be theoretical limits on how much mass you can squash in there, before the stuff at the bottom of the pile ignites and blows off the rest.

There’s quite a bit we don’t know about stellar formation.


24 posted on 10/29/2009 3:52:22 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi
There’s quite a bit we don’t know about stellar formation.

Because of the time scales involved, it's a bit like trying to work out the life cycle of trees by taking a single snapshot of a forest. You can do it, but it's tricky.

25 posted on 10/29/2009 4:13:19 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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26 posted on 10/29/2009 5:15:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BenKenobi
There’s quite a bit we don’t know about stellar formation.

Yeah, and considering we have a star right next to this planet, keeping us alive, you'd think we'd know a lot more about their formations. I find stars to be some of the most bizarre objects we humans can see. Few other things can match their size, age and enormous, almost supernatural power.

27 posted on 10/29/2009 5:22:10 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Well it’s two things. One, it’s a very short process, and two, it’s difficult to observe the process. Stars are very dim when they are first forming.


28 posted on 10/29/2009 5:29:56 PM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: BenKenobi
Stars are very dim when they are first forming.

Speaking of stars forming...I took this shot a few months back of Orion Nebula, M-42...The central core of the nebula is a region where over 700 new stars in various stages are being formed. This nebula is often referred to as a stellar nursery.

19x65second exposures, ISO800-Canon 40D-SC 10" w/a 6.3 focal reducer.


29 posted on 10/29/2009 7:49:33 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Claud

Bump for both.

God made a beautiful universe.


30 posted on 10/29/2009 8:43:08 PM PDT by onedoug
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