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Norman Rockwell: The Original King of the Photoshop
gizmodo.com ^ | Oct 23 2009 | Wilson Rothman

Posted on 10/29/2009 1:34:25 PM PDT by Daffynition

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1 posted on 10/29/2009 1:34:26 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows; Lucky9teen; JoeProBono
I prefer the paintings of Will Elder:


2 posted on 10/29/2009 1:36:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Daffynition
His work represents the America I WANT to live in.

No ghettoes, no crime.

Clean cherubic children that you'd love to call your own.

When the Civil War comes, that will be my template when someone asks what I am fighting for.

3 posted on 10/29/2009 1:36:45 PM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: Daffynition

Rockwell was a national treasure that age will continue to add value to.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 1:37:19 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Daffynition

It’s interesting to see his source images but at least he posed his models and he wasn’t slavish in his devotion to “interpretating” the poses.


5 posted on 10/29/2009 1:38:01 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Daffynition

I love good illustrators probably more than fine artists. I like Rockwell a lot, and Beatrix Potter, too.


6 posted on 10/29/2009 1:40:14 PM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Daffynition
It's almost sad: Vivid interactions between people, remembered jointly in the country's collective consciousness, may never have taken place.

What an idiotic statement.

7 posted on 10/29/2009 1:41:08 PM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: a fool in paradise

Part of the genius of Rockwell was his entire lack of pride in process. He did what worked, not what he felt should work.


8 posted on 10/29/2009 1:41:34 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: zot

Ping.


9 posted on 10/29/2009 1:41:37 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Daffynition

This has nothing to do with photoshop. That headlin is stupid.


10 posted on 10/29/2009 1:41:41 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Ever see how Annie Leibowitz works these days?

Many magazine photos are actually composite images now.


11 posted on 10/29/2009 1:43:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Huck

“What an idiotic statement.”

Exactly. Is it “sad” that Da Vinci, Raphael, Valasquez, Rembrandt, Vermeer, Goya, etc. posed people for their paintings? Heck no.


12 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:24 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
It refers to the fact that Photoshop is used to make a new image from several others. He did on canvass what PS does on the computer.
13 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:47 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: Tublecane
It refers to the fact that Photoshop is used to make a new image from several others. He did on canvass what PS does on the computer.
14 posted on 10/29/2009 1:46:57 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Ditto that...exactly.


15 posted on 10/29/2009 1:47:24 PM PDT by SoDak (bitter clinger)
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To: I Buried My Guns
I've always loved this one:

The ump on the right is the spittin' image of my Grandad.

16 posted on 10/29/2009 1:48:48 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Huck

All the time I was in college, Norman Rockwell was ridiculed by professors for portraying a false image of life in the United States.

I stopped them in their tracks by suggesting that Rockwell’s paintings portrayed a goal to be striven for.

Norman Rockwell is my all-time favorite artist. His paintings make me reach for the Kleenex.


17 posted on 10/29/2009 1:49:42 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: a fool in paradise

“Many magazine photos are actually composite images now”

True. But if you’re going to consider Rockwell’s painting “composite,” you basically have to call almost every painting in history composite, since it is almost never the case that they directly reproduce what they see in any given frame. Rather, they mix observations together, add flourishes, and so on.


18 posted on 10/29/2009 1:50:11 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: I Buried My Guns

Your guns are under arust. LOL


19 posted on 10/29/2009 1:52:59 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: I Buried My Guns

No television, no internet, no interstate highway system. No franchises dominating every industry. America the manufacturing giant, with high-school educated employees earning wages that could support a family. A population of less than half of what it is today. These are changes in our nation that have altered in forever, and cannot be undone.

Rockwell was an excellent artist, but he was also a genius at marketing. And what he was marketing was a vision of “America.”

If you actually ever fight in a Civil War, you will be fighting for an image of America that is over 50 years old. There is no way that the country can go backwards in time to that place again. The nation is too large, and the world is too small.


20 posted on 10/29/2009 1:53:11 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Tublecane

Some work from posings, photos, and sketches, whereas some work from the ID. Not all paintings are sourced from modelled studies.


21 posted on 10/29/2009 1:54:04 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Oh, and by the way, there were ghettos. Rockwell just didn’t paint them, and you didn’t have to see them. But they were there, and enforced by Jim Crow laws.


22 posted on 10/29/2009 1:54:36 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: jwparkerjr

“It refers to the fact that Photoshop is used to make a new image from several others. He did on canvass what PS does on the computer”

Yeah, and that’s a stupid comparison, since unless they work in collage, painters actually create their own images on any particular canvas, rather than mixing seperate images together. Also, basically every artist who ever lived mixed on one canvas images he had pulled from different sources.

It is most certainly NOT the same as what photoshop does.


23 posted on 10/29/2009 1:54:43 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: a fool in paradise

“Not all paintings are sourced from modelled studies”

Whoever said they were?


24 posted on 10/29/2009 1:55:15 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

And when you think of a photo, you think of it as a realistic portrayal of some event, captured in time. No one ever took a painting or drawing to be a 100% accurate account.

Photos aren’t good evidence these days.


25 posted on 10/29/2009 1:56:07 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Daffynition
If all Rockwell did was paint exactly what was on a photo then it wouldn't be ART.

Making yourself a human xerox is not art. ART is where you recompose the picture to convey an emotion, make it more appealing to the eye, etc.

The INTENT of a Rockwell painting is to convey that image that he wanted to convey.

The INTENT of a newspaper photo is to represent reality.

Changing to composition of a photo and painting it to make it art is perfectly acceptable. Changing the composition of a photo and then publishing it in the paper as a representation of reality is fraud.

The attempt to conflate the two is ludicrous.

26 posted on 10/29/2009 2:00:31 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: Tublecane

I often photographed colonial churches in Central America. Once as I was trying to get to a spot that would minimize the telephone/electric lines in front of a church I noticed an artist painted it with all such clutter left out.

It struck me that he could really capture it in the way our memory might filter it and hold it.


27 posted on 10/29/2009 2:00:37 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Daffynition; SandRat

Your good scouting Rockewll is needed on this thread.

I don’t have one


28 posted on 10/29/2009 2:03:01 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Quotes of the century: 2001 "Lets Roll"..... 2009 "You Lie")
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To: a fool in paradise
Many magazine photos are actually composite images now. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ya think?
29 posted on 10/29/2009 2:03:31 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: a fool in paradise
NC Wyeth. Extraordinary illustrator


30 posted on 10/29/2009 2:03:45 PM PDT by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: Daffynition

Cool.

When I was in college my art professors asked me who my favorite artists were - I said I liked Renaissance artists and Norman Rockwell. They had snooty looks on their faces and said Rockwell was considered an illustrator - not really an artist. They were both big libs for sure - and they weren’t that talented. They wish they were as good as Rockwell.

As an aside. I like Ron Paul - and have always thought he looks like he came out of a Rockwell image.


31 posted on 10/29/2009 2:04:15 PM PDT by mommya
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To: Peter W. Kessler
the time I was in college, Norman Rockwell was ridiculed by professors for portraying a false image of life in the United States.

I'm betting it's not just because it's a "false" image, but because it's a positive, happy image. Same reason critics celebrate John Lennon and sneer at Paul McCartney. It has to be bitter and maladapted to be true art in their eyes. Anything cheery and sunny is automatically dismissed.

32 posted on 10/29/2009 2:05:04 PM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: I Buried My Guns
"Americans came through some pretty hard times in the 20th century," says Laurie Norton Moffat. "Rockwell reminds us of our strength, optimism and resilience."

I want the America that Rockwell represented too. ;D

33 posted on 10/29/2009 2:06:57 PM PDT by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: loungitude
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/photo_database/image/the_case_of_the_moving_pyramids/


34 posted on 10/29/2009 2:07:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: a fool in paradise

LOL! Those are great!


35 posted on 10/29/2009 2:08:41 PM PDT by 2sheds
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To: mommya
They had snooty looks on their faces and said Rockwell was considered an illustrator - not really an artist.

The American Illustrator movement from ~1860-1970 has been totally dismissed by the art historians in favor of anti-art:


36 posted on 10/29/2009 2:10:56 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Daffynition; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; SunkenCiv; KevinDavis

This reviewer seethes with hate for America’s past.


37 posted on 10/29/2009 2:11:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: I Buried My Guns

reviewer seems to want to diss America a LOT


38 posted on 10/29/2009 2:12:17 PM PDT by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: Daffynition
Wyeth, Rockwell, and Arthur Sarnoff were contemporaries.

http://www.americanartarchives.com/sarnoff.htm (1912 - 2000)

Student of John Clymer and Andrew Wyeth. Much work for weekly and monthly mags from the 30s on and ads for Karo Syrup (Karo Kid is a 40s icon), Dextrose (ditto the Sugar Blonde), Lucky Strike, Coors, Camay, Sal Hepatica, Listerine, Vick's Vapo Rub, Meds, Ipana. Illustrations for McCall's, American Weekly, Collier's, Woman's Home Companion, Redbook, American Magazine, Cosmopolitan, Esquire, Good Housekeeping. Portraits of President and Mrs Kennedy. Two subjects keep him famous: popular and tasteful pin-up girl calendars and the pool playing (and card playing and golfing) dogs, of which, "The Hustler" one was the best-selling print of the 1950s. Usually signed art, using full name, or "Sarnoff," or just "AS."

39 posted on 10/29/2009 2:15:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: worst-case scenario

I believe I remember a Rockwell painting of a returning GI in the alley of his family’s row house. Ghettos originally meant urban ethnic neighborhoods (i.e., Irish, Ukranian, German, etc.). So, yes he did paint a ghetto, just not one that you and I are familiar with. The ghetto he pictured was focused on the celebration of the GI’s return from WWII by family and friends. The love of Rockwell is that his paintings were focused on human goodness and greatness as opposed to their failings. His critics called him sappy, but I’m betting everyone of those critics would love to have owned a Rockwell. Rockwell and Winslow Homer both shared a uniquely positive view of American life. Both, in my book, are considered great painters.


40 posted on 10/29/2009 2:16:53 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: allmendream

“If all Rockwell did was paint exactly what was on a photo then it wouldn’t be ART.”

I don’t agree. Granted, it would be a lower form of art to exactly reproduce nature. Also, if it was done for the purposes of journalism, then it wouldn’t be art at all. Of course, the line between journalism is sometimes fine. I’ve heard “The Gulag Archipeligo” refered to as a work of journalism, whereas I think it is a grand work of literature.

The thing is, it’s almost impossible to recreate nature exactly as it is. Even bad artists can’t help putting themselves in the picture, so to speak. Your introduction of intent is important, and I think almost conclusive. Except I would have to add that sometimes people produce high art by accident.


41 posted on 10/29/2009 2:17:26 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Huck
Don't forget Jan Brett, if you have kids. ;D


42 posted on 10/29/2009 2:17:47 PM PDT by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: 2sheds; a fool in paradise

Check out:

http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/

There’s some hilarious stuff.


43 posted on 10/29/2009 2:18:58 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
I often photographed colonial churches in Central America. Once as I was trying to get to a spot that would minimize the telephone/electric lines in front of a church I noticed an artist painted it with all such clutter left out. It struck me that he could really capture it in the way our memory might filter it and hold it.

Robert Crumb specially used to ride around town photographing such visual clutter to make his urban landscapes more accurate.


44 posted on 10/29/2009 2:21:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Daffynition

I guess the author has never heard of an artist’s model.

Profoundly few artists paint completely from their mind’s eye.


45 posted on 10/29/2009 2:23:39 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED
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To: Daffynition

There’s also Frazetta. He’s definitely NOT for kids, though :-P


46 posted on 10/29/2009 2:25:08 PM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Tublecane

My definition of art is that it is uniquely identified to the artist. This works in music as well as the graphic arts. When you see a Rockwell, you know its a Rockwell; same works for Miles Davis. Originality is what we celebrate. There have been millions upon millions of paintings painted, but how is it we all recognize the greatness of just a few artists? Being an artist is defining yourself as unique and identifiable. Its just that simple. It usually takes an artist a lifetime to achieve this. Ofen it is not recognized in their lifetimes. But if it meets the time test standard, you usually can be sure it is great.


47 posted on 10/29/2009 2:25:27 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Daffynition

48 posted on 10/29/2009 2:27:23 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Huck

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Alberto+Vargas+images&FORM=SSIR


49 posted on 10/29/2009 2:29:00 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Daffynition

bump


50 posted on 10/29/2009 2:29:59 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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