Posted on 10/30/2009 9:23:06 AM PDT by stillafreemind
This article is on dog packs and dogs that run with coyotes. Is the economy adding to the numbers? I think so. Instead of feeding the dogs or turning the dogs over to the humane shelter, people are just "dumping" the dogs. Not only is this not the "right" thing to do, it's a dangerous thing to do.
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Trust me it will make it into the suburbs and some city areas.
It’s a good point to consider because if we ever have a real big SHTF moment, roving dog packs are going to be a real problem people will have to be prepared for dealing with.
Obama economy fails, dogs hardest hit.
I’m rural. I haven’t seen any dog packs. If they did exist we’d take care of them the old-fashioned way.
And you will NOT want to get bit, not only for the damage, but for rabies. Where are you going to go to get shots, in a SHTF scenario? They may not be available.
I once lived on a 300+ acre farm not too far away from a Big Ten university. I used to dread the end of the school year. Students would just dump their pets out in the country before moving out of town.
It’s not just dogs in the rural areas;two people we know locally have had horses dropped off in their barns in the middle of the night.One person left a note stating that they could no longer afford to feed the horse and asked that the barn owner would have compassion and take care of the animal.
I heard of someone who bought an (empty) stable, and a couple weeks later, someone dropped about 14(!) horses into it. Aren’t those animals registered? Apparently not.
It is.
Aye, Dog is a fine meal.
“I’m rural. I haven’t seen any dog packs. If they did exist we’d take care of them the old-fashioned way.”
No dog packs here either. I haven’t even seen a dog dumped in the country in ages.
I do remember my father shooting dogs decades ago. For better or worse, I think the Humane Society has done a good job educating people to leave their animal at a shelter rather than dumping them in the country.
Unless the horse has a tatoo in it’s lip, they are mostly anonymous and you trust the seller that the horse is who they claim.
I can remember back in the late 70’s the packs of dogs that ran rampant through the country side, and my father going out to shoot some of them. We were always warned to be careful when we went out into the woods to play. I brought my .22, of course.
1) If feral dog packs are roaming your neighborhood, you need to keep your dear pet inside, otherwise fluffy will die a grisly death and be eaten. I certainly wouldn't want that to happen to anyone's pet.
2) Easy way to deal with feral dog packs, without having to "go hunting" -- put out a tub of antifreeze to slake their thirst.
I have a friend who lived on about 15 acres outside of a big city. He constantly had dogs being dropped off at the end of his (long) driveway. His daughters would immediately adopt the strays. Then they started breeding, with all the problems that went with it. In a nutshell, he has a mess. I offered to come by and “handle” his problems for him, but the daughters wouldn’t let him. Kind of like most liberals: Too tenderhearted to do what has to be done, and crying because they eventually have to live with the consequences. Just Dang...
NO, this is ALREADY a problem in Detroit and East St. Louis.
I saw a TV show a few months back where packs of dogs were roaming and living in abandonded houses in both these cities. I beleive it was on Monsterquest. Most of the dogs were mixed breeds from Pit Bull Terriers and Rotweillers.
Your basic urban breed favorites.
I think this is fear-mongering, but you never know. I will say two things, however:
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I don’t see anything fear-mongering..what, if you don’t see it it must not be happening?
1) If feral dog packs are roaming your neighborhood, you need to keep your dear pet inside, otherwise fluffy will die a grisly death and be eaten. I certainly wouldn’t want that to happen to anyone’s pet._________________________________________________________
I guess I look at it differently. Why the heck should people who do the right thing have to always clean up after people who never do the right thing. Our pets are supposed to not enjoy the outdoors because someone can’t be responsible with theirs?
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2) Easy way to deal with feral dog packs, without having to “go hunting” — put out a tub of antifreeze to slake their thirst.
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This is just irresponsible. Antifreeze is an ugly way to go and how are you going to keep peoples pets and other animals out of it?
It already has been a major problem around here. My FIL had to start walking with a gun because of the packs of wild dogs that had cornered him near his hay barn. He is really only 10 minutes out of town and only has 28 acres but they really are becoming a danger fast and they have attacked in the past.
1) Yeah, I don't happen to see it, but -- unlike the sentiment you imply for me -- I do not claim that "it must not be happening". I said "you never know" because I did not want to deny something about which I could not have full knowledge.
2) If you want your pet to enjoy the great outdoors, then go right ahead. I merely observe that a roaming pack of feral dogs may possibly put your pet in danger. Do you disagree with that? I also think that people who pride themselves on "doing the right thing" might want to take steps to protect their pet. Do you disagree with that?
3) Based on my first (and primary) point -- i.e. good people should protect their own pets -- I think that the secondary point: rat poison for feral dogs running loose and threatening a neighborhood, is hardly unconscionable.
Here in NH , small dogs and especially cats are disappearing all over the place in suburban neighborhoods.
We see the “MISSING FLUFFY” posters on telephone poles.
Folks put their cat out at night before bed and it never comes back.
The culprits : THE FISCHER or FISCHER CAT and
WYLE E. COYOTE
I’ve seen the occasional dumped dog in my area. Usually some banger from Albuquerque drops his pitbull by the side of the road.
My neighbor rescued a tiny dog from the side of the highway. We called him Scruffy (he was!) and he was king of the neighborhood within a month.
My dogs are let out late at night for their last doing their business. I keep my eyes on them all the time, mostly concerned with a coyote attack; seems now that a dog pack could be a concern.
Unlike most posters, being a confirmed canine-lover, I really could not bring myself to shoot either coyote or dog but I usually bring a pistol with me onto the porch to fire to scare them away. Only if one had hold of one of my dogs would I fire at the animal.
“Easy way to deal with feral dog packs, without having to “go hunting” — put out a tub of antifreeze to slake their thirst.”
You must have a helluva mean streak in you. You do realize how anti-freeze kills, destroying the liver. Read up on the effects of liver disease, FRiend.
Yes, I inadvertently caused a dog's death when I poured antifreeze to keep the toilet in our empty farmhouse from freezing (somebody at work suggested it and I couldn't figure out how to turn off the water to the house and drain the pipes for the winter. People later moved in with a dog, you can guess the rest. I felt bad about it, had no idea. Looking back it wasn't such a good idea because it was useless for the rest of the pipes in the house plus you wouldn't want it to get in the water supply.
What other innocent animals is one likely to poison by putting out antifreeze? It's inhumane.
Better to shoot them if you can, and I personally wouldn't just shoot any dog, would have to be reasonably sure they were a threat.
This is already happening and a rural girl a few years back got attacked by a pack of dogs, don't know why she went out on the road at night, meet her bf or something, found her dead the next day in the ditch, but I think hypothermia played into it as well.
I don't apologize for it, but I hate to see someone else blamed for my own meaness.
I suppose you would advocate the forced registering of horses? Cows? Goats and the funding of the new animal registration beaurocracy? Would that be at the County , state, or Federal level? Would there be a computer data base? Hoof prints, brands? Please fill in all details.
Oh, get a grip on yourself.
Grip? “Aren’t those animals registered?” I believe was your question. “Apparently not” Gives a connotation that perhaps you believe they should be.
Ok, genius. Horses are property, just like automobiles. If someone abandons an auto on your property, how would someone determine the owner?
Horses are property, and, using my genius, I can say that horses are not automobiles, though they may be used for transportation.
Since you DO seem to be concerned with abandoned horses, may I take it that you are indeed in favor of some sort of Gov’t registration? I mean beyond what is there today with Vet ID (Coggins Test information), Perhaps branding (Some still do that). Some tatoo horses on the inside of their lip. And, if a thoroughbred, they could indeed be registered, but unlikely to be abandoned.
So, genius, are you Really advocating registering horses, with the Gov’t, adding another level of control, for the good of the children of course, I am sure.
As an aside, the state has already added a "level of control" when it requires a Coggins. Do you object to that also? If not, why not?
Actually it is forced now. National Animal Identification System, or NAIS. Animals and premises are registered. Animal goes anywhere off premises and a report has to be filed with the feds.
http://www.sportsquestinternational.com/NAIS.html
What is NAIS?
On April 25, 2005, the USDA released “Draft Program Standards” (“Standards”) and a “Draft Strategic Plan” (“Plan”) concerning the NAIS. These documents provide for a three-step system:
1. Premises registration: Every person who owns or manages property with even one horse, chicken, cow, pig, sheep, goat, deer, elk, bison, or virtually any livestock animal, will be forced to register their home in a database under a 7-digit “premises ID number,” which will include GPS coordinates (Standards, pp. 3-4, 10-12; Plan, p. 5.)
2. Animal identification: Every animal will be assigned a 15-digit ID number, also to be kept in a database. The form of ID will most likely be a tag or microchip containing a Radio Frequency Identification Device. (Plan, p. 10; Standards, pp. 6, 12, 20, 27-28.) While the agencies claim that poultry and swine will get “group numbers,” most small farmers and companion-animal owners do not keep animals in ways that would qualify.
3. Animal tracking: The owner will be required to report to the government within 24 hours: every time a tag is applied, a tag is lost or replaced, an animal is killed or dies, or an animal is missing. Reports would also have to be filed every time an animal goes onto or off of a premises or commingles with animals from other premises. (Standards, pp. 12-13, 17-21.)
The bottom line for horse owners is that you will have to register with the government, tell them what animals you own, microchip every horse, and report whenever you take your horse to a show, on a trail ride, to the breeders, or almost any other place.
have you been pinged yet?
I don't know if you are just trying to get a rise out of people or are really that cruel but all of God's creatures deserve our kindness and respect. How about calling your local animal control so they can deal with the feral dogs in a humane way? People who are cruel to animals are some of the worst people on the face of the earth in my opinion.
Putting poison out is indiscriminate, and most likely illegal.
I am aware of NAIS, and don’t have an opinion on it. I will note that some of the same “constitutional experts” who find it to be a violation of their personal sovereignty will also be howling the loudest when they get the runs from some bad beef.
Here in MA, we have coyotes, but not packs of feral dogs that I have seen. I cannot own a gun -- my local police chief determines who can and who cannot (and he chooses "cannot" except for his friends). So, if I need to deal with a coyote or a pack of feral dogs, I cannot shoot them (as some on this thread have suggested).
I could call animal control. Been there, done that. They don't care. A while ago, we had some loose cows in town. Care to guess how long it took animal control to round up 6 loose cows? A month.
So, if I have a pack of feral dogs roaming my neighborhood, I have few options. It occurred to me that going to the hardware store and putting out some antifreeze is one way to deal with the problem. You don't like it? Fine. I'm not likely to do it, because I don't need to. So you can sleep easy tonight.
But let me say this -- This thread is about packs of feral dogs roaming around, eating pets, threatening people, and killing livestock.
And your big conern is that the pack of feral pitbulls might get hurt?
I'm in awe. That was a world-class mischaracterization of my comment. My hat is off to you, sir!
I heard a story (in Illinois) about some cattle (might've been only one) that got loose while being delivered to a slaughterhouse. The driver took off (because I think the cattle were to be "rejected" for injury/disease/whatever). So the cattle are roaming around town:
Police: "It's not our problem, it's the slaughterhouse's problem."
Slaughterhouse: "It's not our problem, it's the driver's problem."
Driver: "I'll have some wings to go along with that Miller Lite."
Residents: "Don't we have the Police for this sort* of thing?"
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*Alternatively, identify the constitutional violation for extra points.
My last post was a little flip, as was my original post. Please allow me to amplify...
Your idea of putting out antifreeze does not discriminate who gets killed. It’s reasonable for you to want to execute packs of feral pit bulls. I know of nobody who thinks packs of feral pit bulls are swell. It’s also a crime against the Constitution that you cannot keep a firearm, which does discriminate (provided you are a half-way decent shot. Practice!)
But what if a neighbor’s pet dog or cat gets loose? I’ve owned cats (inside only!) and dogs for years, and despite the best precautions, they do get loose from time to time. You have no idea the pain felt when a responsible pet owner has to watch his/her best friend die horribly in his/her arms after coming home, having eaten your poison.
What if it’s your neighbor’s two-year-old kid?
This is why it’s reasonable to have a right to a gun, but not a mortar.
This happens near military installations, too.
For the life of me, I just can't understand how somebody could be so cold hearted as to have a pet for a year or so, then callously dump the poor animal off somewhere.
Already happened in my area. We're starting to see dead coydogs on the side of the road.
It won't be long until someone is attacked and seriously injured.
Keynesian!
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