Skip to comments.Ancient Atomic Bombs
Posted on 11/02/2009 10:17:50 AM PST by BGHater
"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." The Bhagavad Gita
Seven years after the nuclear tests in Alamogordo, New Mexico, Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the atomic bomb, was lecturing at a college when a student asked if there were any U.S. atomic tests before Alamogordo.
Yes, in modern times, he replied.
The sentence, enigmatic and incomprehensible at the time, was actually an allusion to ancient Hindu texts that describe an apocalyptic catastrophe that doesnt correlate with volcanic eruptions or other known phenomena. Oppenheimer, who avidly studied ancient Sanskrit, was undoubtedly referring to a passage in "The Bhagavad Gita" that describes a global disaster caused by an unknown weapon, a ray of iron.
While it may be alarming to the scientific community to speak of the existence of atomic weapons before the present cycle of civilization, evidence of this phenomenon seems to whisper its verses in every corner of the planet.
This evidence comes not only from the Hindu verses but also from ample extensions of fused glass fragments scattered throughout many deserts of the world. Silicon crystals, curiously cast, resemble remarkably the same fragments found after the nuclear explosions in Alamogordos White Sands atomic testing site.
In December 1932, Patrick Clayton, a surveyor from the Egyptian Geological Survey, drove between the dunes of the Great Sand Sea, close to the Saad Plateau in Egypt, when he heard crunching under the wheels. When he examined what was causing the sound, he found great chunks of glass in the sand.
The find caught the attention of geologists around the world and planted the seed for one of the biggest modern scientific enigmas. What phenomenon could be capable of raising the temperature of desert sand to at least 3,300 degrees Fahrenheit, casting it into great sheets of solid yellow-green glass?
While passing through Alamogordos White Sands missile range, Albion W. Hart, one of the first engineers to graduate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, observed that the chunks of glass left by nuclear tests were identical to the formations that he observed in the African desert 50 years earlier. However, the extension of the cast in the desert would require that the explosion be 10,000 times more powerful than that observed in New Mexico.
Many scientists have sought to explain the dispersion of large glass rocks in the deserts of Libya, the Sahara, Mojave, and many other places in the world, as products of gigantic meteorite impacts. However, due to the absence of accompanying craters in the desert, the theory doesnt hold up. Neither satellite imagery nor sonar has been able to find any holes.
Furthermore, the glass rocks found in the Libyan Desert present a grade of transparency and purity (99 percent) that is not typical in the fusions of fallen meteorites, in which iron and other materials are mixed in with the cast silicon after the impact.
Even so, scientists have proposed that the meteorites causing the glass rocks could have exploded several miles above the surface of Earth, similar to the Tunguska Event, or simply rebounded in such a way that they carried with it the evidence of the impact, but leaving the heat from the friction.
However, this doesnt explain how two of the areas found in close proximity in the Libyan Desert show the same patternthe probability of two meteorite impacts so close is very low. Nor does it explain the absence of water in the tektite specimens when these areas of impact were thought to be covered in it some 14,000 years ago.
The city where culture emerged in the present-day Indus Valley is a great enigma. The rocks of the ruins have partially crystallized, along with its hazy inhabitants. Moreover, mysterious local texts speak of a period of seven days of gratitude toward flying cars called Vimana for saving the lives of 30,000 inhabitants from a horrific episode.
In 1927, years after the discovery of the Mohenjo Daro ruins, 44 human skeletons were found on the outskirts of the city. The majority were found face down, lying in the street and holding hands as if a serious catastrophe had suddenly engulfed the town. In addition, some bodies present signs of unexplainable radiation. Many experts believe that Mohenjo Daro is an unequivocal sign of nuclear catastrophe two millennia before Christ.
Nevertheless, the city is the not the only ancient locale suspected to have gone nuclear. Dozens of buildings from the ancient world present bricks with fused rocks, like the heat test that modern scientists cannot explain:
Ancient forts and towers in Scotland, Ireland, and England
The city of Catal Huyuk in Turkey
Alalakh in northern Syria
The ruins of the Seven Cities, near Ecuador
Cities between the Ganges River in India and the Hills of Rajmahal
Areas of the Mojave Desert in the United States
In whatever place of the world, the presence of an abysmal temperature and vivid descriptions of a terrible cataclysm suggest that there may have been an earlier epoch in which possibly nuclear technology was already knownan epoch in which atomic technology was turned against man.
Sand dunes in the Egyptian desert. What phenomenon could be capable of raising the temperature of desert sand to at least 3,300 degrees Fahrenheit, casting it into great sheets of solid yellow-green glass?
I would think that there would be abundant scientific evidence indicating nuclear explosions if they had occurred.
If these stone age people could make atomic bombs then why is Iran having such a hard time?
yep. isotopes have half-lives. still i might read this for curiosity. bump for later read.
The ancients were without the dubious benefits of Islam.
I debunked this on an earlier thread. MIT opened in 1861. Let's say Hart graduated in 1870 at the age of 20 (I'm being generous). That would mean Hart, if he toured Trinity in 1950, would have been 100 years old. I don't think so.
Kinda obvious isn’t it?
Off the top of my head, here are two other explanations: (1) Direct hit by a solar ejection (flare). (2) Direct hit by an extra-solar gamma ray burst. With the latter, a strong gamma ray burst could even boil off our atmosphere and melt the surface of the entire planet. (Odds of such happening are very very very ridiculously low.)
In short, it is a violent universe...
Clearly the stone age people were much smarter than the Islmofascist. ;-)
Bump for later reading.
Meteorite meets the desert...
stoneage centrifuge ping.
Shrug. Perhaps, Mr. Hart is just fiction; geeze thanks for killing an ancient atomic bomb theory!
Or simply a meteor shower.
And leaves no crater?
“an epoch in which atomic technology was turned against man”; Cleansing at it’s best.
The glass is semi-identical.
ALL nuclear detonations have a half-life fingerprint indicating the major components of the weapon.
All the glass collected from the location in Egypt have zero of these half-life components.
How about a large meteor strike.
Would have to be on large meteor shower to create that wide an expanse of fairly uniform glass.
Then again, a solar mass ejection or gamma ray burst that did so would also probably have done some other noticable things. Like melt a mountain (range) or two and boil off a chunk of sea and ocean causing massive climate damage that would be apparent in the geological record worldwide. So yeah, meteor shower sounds just as likely...
“And leaves no crater? “
No crater at Tungusta, but lots of scorched trees.
OTOH there was a huge impact at Manon Ohio and there is no visible crater there, now.
OOO good catch!
Or maybe a really big kiln!
That was an airburst. The trees weren't incinerated as they would have been if subjected to a temperature of 3300F.
They had a whole show on the Discovery Channel about the glass in North Africa. Most scientist think it was an air burst explosion likely a comet like was observed in Siberia in early 1900’s. They have done several computer simulations to lend evidence to this. There have been lots of meteorite and comet hits on the earth.
seriously, the evidence for this doesn't exists, however, it is possible that God hit these areas with this type of destruction.
Saddam and Gamora were destroyed by fire.
(3). Wrath of God
A couple thousand years in the desert - a small crater would be gone.
temperature increases with pressure. perhaps these sands were beneath a lot of earth/other stuff a logn tiem ago, and migrated to the surface.
i’d buy that long before nuclear explosions in the ages past.
Oh certainly, but the question becomes what mechanism did God use? Spontaneous thermonuclear reaction? Storm of meteors? Kicking our or another sun in the core? Just plain old pure Hellfire? Inquiring minds want to know (or at least play)!
Not to mention with your solar mass ejection or gamma ray burst you would create a likely large scale life sanitizing. With a large scale meteor strike you could get glass projectiles extends hundreds if not thousands of miles while being small enough to maintain life globally. Not to mention the meteor strikes could be simultaneous across the world and the resultant pollution could have created a short ice age as well.
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Only true if the craters are from unrelated events. If the impacts were from a pair of asteroids, they could be close together but distinct.
We have observed asteroid pairs orbiting around a common center in their trip around the sun, not unlike a planet and its moons.
Or perhaps a loosely consolidated asteroid or comet was gravitationally torn asunder by a close pass with the Moon on its way to an appointment with the future Libya...
Even with my imagination, this I’m not buying.
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Woops, you beat me to it. My guess for this phenomenon:
"There was an article written on Hart's life by Margarethe Casson that appeared in the magazine Rocks and Minerals (no. 396, 1972), that mentions this occasion. In the article she writes: "At the time he was puzzled and quite unable to explain a large expanse of greenish glass which covered the sands as far as he could see. Later on, during his life he passed by the White Sands area after the first atomic explosion there, and he recognized the same type of silica fusion which he had seen fifty years earlier in the African desert.""
That would make him at least a spry 75.
It's possible that the omission of the type of engineer coupled with the assumption that all of MIT's engineering disciplines were offered the day MIT opened it's doors leads to incorrect conclusions.
Suppose he was among the first Chemical Engineering graduates?
From MIT's web site:
The first chemical engineering curriculum at MIT was offered in 1888 and helped to establish chemical engineering as a discipline.
A little math...
First chemical engineer graduate 1893. 1893+50 years=1943, pretty consistent with Casson's biography.
He could well have been among the first graduates in:
Chemical Engineering (Department established 1888)
Naval and Oceanic engineering (Department established 1893)
Aeronautical engineering (Department established 1896)
Geology and Mining engineering (first engineering class offered 1871)
The math on the other disciplines is left to the reader as an exercise...
They must’ve been nearby the Ancient Saturn V Launch site.
Perhaps not. See #45
Might the glass have been a result of plasma discharges or “planetary lightning”?
Large meteors with low metal content explode before reaching the ground. The energy released in such events can exceed that of the most powerful nuclear weapons; this is the leading theory for the Tunguska explosion.
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