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Bush Sr on Gretta - No Credit to Reagan for Bringing Down the Wall
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Posted on 11/02/2009 7:51:39 PM PST by dila813

Listened to Bush Sr.

Gave lots of credit to others, but there was a stark omission of Reagan.

No Credit for Reagan???


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This is obscene
1 posted on 11/02/2009 7:51:40 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

The Bushes are not conservatives. They are country club RINOS who are able to sometimes masquerade as conservatives.


2 posted on 11/02/2009 7:53:02 PM PST by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: dila813

If it wasn’t for Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 would be unknowns.


3 posted on 11/02/2009 7:53:39 PM PST by oldbill
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To: ikka

He pisses me off, did someone tell this guy that Reagan is dead?

He needs to stop holding a grudge against the dead guy.


4 posted on 11/02/2009 7:55:49 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

Can’t think of anything good to say about Bush, so i won’t say anything...


5 posted on 11/02/2009 7:58:34 PM PST by Always Right
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To: dila813

The Bush family needs to admit that there’s not a conservative bone in any of their bodies. They’re the epitome of the wishy-washy RINOS in the squishy middle trying to be appeasers and they don’t even realize that there’s nothing in the world that’ll make the Left stop vilifying them.

Reagan was more of a man than all of the Bush males put together. I met W’s nephew one time at an event and he seemed like an empty suit being groomed for a life in politics. Nothing real about him at all. No core.

Reagan had a core. Reagan had beliefs and principles. Voting for him in 1984 was my proudest moment ever in electoral politics.


6 posted on 11/02/2009 7:58:50 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Hey 0bama, Kenya show us the long-form BC? ))))
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To: dila813; All

There’s not enough context in this post to mete out such strong statements...

Did everybody posting hear the interview? What exactly did he not say so strongly? I didn’t hear it and there’s not much to go on here.


7 posted on 11/02/2009 7:59:56 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Evo's place much faith in something for which there is no proof. Crazy!)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

He was my first vote as an adult and I had the honor of serving under him in the Army 2 months after I voted for him. My best vote ever, wow I miss him these days.


8 posted on 11/02/2009 8:01:29 PM PST by In God I trust
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To: dila813

Pres. Reagan knew 30 years ago what the Bush zombies just recently figured out...


9 posted on 11/02/2009 8:01:40 PM PST by Motorheadlemmy ('Hey Clark, I bet you could use a cold one...')
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To: Gordon Greene

The point is what you didn’t hear.

He went through a long list of those responsible for contributing to the collaspe of the Soviet Union and the Removal of the Wall.

His list was made up mostly of East Germans and Soviet Officials with a few people from his own state department.

James Baker had heaps of praise from Bush Sr. Nothing for Reagan, not even a mention in the entire interview.


10 posted on 11/02/2009 8:03:28 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

Are you going to post the video? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it that the interview went off exactly as you said.


11 posted on 11/02/2009 8:03:43 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Gordon Greene

As the Man himself would say, trust but verify. Could we at least see a transcript before the trash talk?


12 posted on 11/02/2009 8:04:03 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: ikka

Amen


13 posted on 11/02/2009 8:05:34 PM PST by paguch
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To: dila813

I didn’t see it, but find it hard to believe any sane person wouldn’t acknowledge it. Maybe Bush41 thought it was obvious? Reagan was the reason the Berlin Wall fell.


14 posted on 11/02/2009 8:06:29 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: oldbill
If it wasn’t for Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 would be unknowns.

No one said Reagan was perfect.

15 posted on 11/02/2009 8:07:08 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: GLDNGUN

I am sure it will be posted here, watch tomorrow http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html


16 posted on 11/02/2009 8:08:07 PM PST by dila813
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To: mplsconservative

It will be posted here http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

They don’t post them on the same day.


17 posted on 11/02/2009 8:09:01 PM PST by dila813
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To: mplsconservative

They just posted pt 1 of the interview

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html#


18 posted on 11/02/2009 8:10:08 PM PST by dila813
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To: GLDNGUN

They just posted pt1 of the interview http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html#


19 posted on 11/02/2009 8:10:50 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

Thank you. I will check it out.


20 posted on 11/02/2009 8:12:55 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: dila813

“The point is what you didn’t hear.”

No, the point is THAT is my point... it’s real hard to get worked up about something you don’t hear, can’t see and can’t read. Everybody’s posting but until you replied here I didn’t see any specifics. Posts are useless without some specific explanation, quotes or at the very least a link.

That being said, the Bush’s have had much to be proud of and much to be ashamed of.


21 posted on 11/02/2009 8:13:29 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Evo's place much faith in something for which there is no proof. Crazy!)
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To: mplsconservative

A little annoying not having quotes, links or at least direct information. Not sure what good a post is without it. Heck... even most blogs have a little something to go on.


22 posted on 11/02/2009 8:16:11 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Evo's place much faith in something for which there is no proof. Crazy!)
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To: Gordon Greene

Read the thread, they hadn’t posted the video till this was already posted.

Freepers are faster than the networks posting videos and transcripts.

They just posted pt1 of the interview http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html#


23 posted on 11/02/2009 8:18:06 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
This is the man who said on the golf course at the Pebble Beach Pro-Am that participating in that tournament was the "greatest thrill of his life". Three winning presidential campaigns, eight years of the vice presidency, four years of the presidency and his greatest thrill is a golf tournament????
24 posted on 11/02/2009 8:18:46 PM PST by altair (All I want for Christmas is NO legislation passed for the rest of the year)
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To: Gordon Greene

I hear you. That’s why I don’t start threads. Strictly a poster and I ever shall be.


25 posted on 11/02/2009 8:19:36 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: dila813

Gracias...

That’s better.


26 posted on 11/02/2009 8:19:57 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Evo's place much faith in something for which there is no proof. Crazy!)
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To: dila813
Bush 41 beat Reagan in Iowa in 1980, but Reagan's "I am paying for this microphone" stunt in New Hampshire killed Bush's chances after that. Bush and Reagan always disliked each other.

Remember Bush accusing Reagan of "voodoo economics"?

Fun fact: In the 1960's George H. W. Bush introduced the first bill in the House to federally fund abortion. He, along with his good buddy Democrat Walter Mondale, used to push for what they referred to as "therapeutic population control".

27 posted on 11/02/2009 8:20:27 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

Bush Sr always had such a grudge against the guy. When Reagan got shot, I was telling everyone it was Bush that hired the trigger man (as a joke of course)


28 posted on 11/02/2009 8:23:17 PM PST by dila813
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To: mplsconservative

I’m a wannabe blogger (www.fracturedrepublic.com) so, in turn I’m an armchair quarterback. You know how that goes...


29 posted on 11/02/2009 8:24:20 PM PST by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Evo's place much faith in something for which there is no proof. Crazy!)
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To: SeeSharp

The fact is Bush Sr was a one termer

Reagan was not only a two-termer, but won his second term with 49 out of 50 states.

I doubt we will see that kind of win for a long while.


30 posted on 11/02/2009 8:26:09 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: dila813

I like Pres. Bush, Sr., but I about gagged when he picked Gorbachev and missed Reagan. He always was too affectionate towards the old commie and never liked to talk about the Reagan years. He famously complained that his job was attending funerals, and Reagan did basically shelve him, for good or for ill. I’ve always wondered if this created some resentment.


31 posted on 11/02/2009 8:29:56 PM PST by ElectronVolt
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To: dila813

Did he manage to find a way to give Bill Clinton credit for the fall of the Berlin Wall? It wouldn’t surprise me.


32 posted on 11/02/2009 8:34:01 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: ikka
Bush didn't credit the people of East Germany, who had a campaign of peaceful protests going on for months. Bush didn't credit the government of Hungary, which opened its borders to East Germans, who could then escape through Hungary into Austria and then into West Germany.

Bush named GORBACHEV! GORBACHEV as the big hero.

I couldn't stand to listen to Bush, when he was President and I still can't stand to listen to him. He was Reagan's VP for 8 years and learned NOTHING!

Naming Bush to VP was Reagan's first decision and his worst mistake. We're still paying for that mistake.

33 posted on 11/02/2009 8:34:51 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: ElectronVolt

It was always a marriage of convenience. Reagan was basically trying to satisfy the party guard. The same fools that choose the turn coat in NY23.

This is the reverse that happened when McCain chose Palin. This would be like Palin choosing McCain to make the party feel better.

Bush knew it, and resented it.


34 posted on 11/02/2009 8:36:04 PM PST by dila813
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To: oldbill
If it wasn’t for Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 would be unknowns.

Outside of this, President Reagan was one of America's best leaders....

His horse had more class than these guys.

35 posted on 11/02/2009 8:42:31 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dila813
This pi$$es me off very badly. It's damn hard shrugging off his friendliness with Bill Clinton, but this really pi$$es me off. I truly believe this was a planned slap at president Reagan.
He became as small of a man as Jimmy Carter in not mentioning president Reagan.
36 posted on 11/02/2009 8:49:00 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: The Cajun

I agree, you could see the wheels turning behind his eyes. He thought about what he was doing as he was doing it.

He so much wants to rewrite history.


37 posted on 11/02/2009 8:50:50 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

He used to talk about the New World Order a lot. Did he mention it in this interview?

I think he has more in common with Obama than he does with Reagan.


38 posted on 11/02/2009 8:52:57 PM PST by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: dila813
I just watched it, and Greta's question was focusing on the actual moment when the wall came down. Instead of taking all the credit as Greta was trying to get him to do, he mentioned other people that were instrumental AT THE ACTUAL TIME when the wall came down. Would it have been nice to talk more about what led up to that moment? Sure, but that's not what the question was. An earlier question did involve negotiations he did as Reagan's VP to get the Pershing missiles in West Germany. Bush did say that was a very important step.

Again, it would have been great for Bush to heap more praise on Reagan, but the question was about what happened at the time of the wall coming down while Bush I was president. I think you are making a bit much of his answer to the question.
39 posted on 11/02/2009 8:57:02 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: oldbill

Ronald Reagan, Maggie Thatcher and Pope John Paul... the liberators of hundreds of millions.


40 posted on 11/02/2009 9:05:23 PM PST by dogcaller
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To: GLDNGUN

He didn’t say his name, period.

And he did talk about the roles of people before the wall came down and not just at the actual time.

Tell me where in this video the word Reagan was uttered from his tortured bitter lips?

Try again.


41 posted on 11/02/2009 9:08:32 PM PST by dila813
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To: oldbill
"If it wasn’t for Reagan, Bush 41 and 43 would be unknowns."

Likely true.

Biggest injustice of the Reagan Admin was the failure to put Bush Sr. in a pine box for long term storage.

42 posted on 11/02/2009 9:12:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: dila813

“Gave lots of credit to others, but there was a stark omission of Reagan.”

Initially I was bothered by this.
I have to admit my personal expectation was to hear him give praise,
honor and glory to the triumvirate:
Reagan, Thatcher, and John Paul II.

But reflecting on the interview...it did seem to be more about the
“end game” and how the actors on the scene at that time didn’t
“screw up” the terrain as prepared by Reagan, Thatcher and JP II.

But I must admit as a person that is old enough to remember the
building of “The Wall”...and young enough to be around for the fall
of The Berlin Wall...
I was at first bothered not to hear a mention of Reagan.
Call me too kind, but I chalk it up to the format and actual questions
of the interview...plus Papa Bush did enough heavy lifting to keep
us out of nuclear war at a crucial juncture.
(and yes, I don’t agree with all of Papa Bush’s actions, especially
folding on the “no new taxes” pledge and some other mis-steps)


43 posted on 11/02/2009 9:19:01 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

I don’t buy it, look at him pause and think, hesitate and phrase.

It was purposeful, he is a bitter bitter man.


44 posted on 11/02/2009 9:24:34 PM PST by dila813
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To: VOA

Oh, by the way, this isn’t the first time he has pulled this stunt before.

He has done these at least three times before.

After the last time he was thumped for this, I am surprised he did it again.

I bet there are threads still on FreeRepublic from the last time he did it.


45 posted on 11/02/2009 9:26:25 PM PST by dila813
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Everybody knows that Reagan said, “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.” Maybe Gorby didn't tear it down but allowed enthusiastic Berliners do it for him.
46 posted on 11/02/2009 9:31:37 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: dila813

Blue-bloods are usually bad for America.

Reagan was forced to take him.


47 posted on 11/02/2009 9:38:06 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Obama will sink as fast as he rose. Idolatry will not succeed. Be patient, folks...)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
Nov 1984 was my first presidential election and that day when I voted, I was so happy and proud to vote for Reagan. The rest of them, I held my nose especially voting for Bush Sr and Jr. I don't want to see anymore of the Bush's in the White House. No Jeb or any other. They are part of the old East Coast Elitist Country Club set. I remembered when Bush Sr. was called a wimp. In the Primary in 1988, I voted for Dole.

Reagan had a core. Reagan had beliefs and principles. Voting for him in 1984 was my proudest moment ever in electoral politics.
48 posted on 11/02/2009 9:41:33 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: ikka

Daddy bush is a globalist. That is why he did not ring true with the American people and why he hated Reagan. It is why his sort hate Palin. Reagan was an American-American and did not do as he was told by the globalists. Palin won’t obey either.


49 posted on 11/02/2009 9:41:53 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: dila813

could be the pause was just a senior moment...I get them alot.:O)


50 posted on 11/02/2009 10:48:05 PM PST by goat granny
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