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A Vanity, In Which The Need For Speed Is Discussed
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Posted on 11/04/2009 8:43:59 AM PST by ExGeeEye

Assume the statutory speed limit of 70 MPH; the tendency of the local constabulary to ignore violations up to 5 MPH over; A stream of traffic in the right-hand lane averaging 68-72 MPH; and a certain sense of scofflawry and haste on my part that may rise to the level of a ticket without tipping over into the “reckless” category; and the fact that I am therefore in the continuous process of "passing on the left" all of those law-abiding drivers in the right lane.

A question: exactly how fast must I be going before I must make way for a non-emergency vehicle intent upon hitching ride in my trunk?

Someone once told me that 20-over is an acceptable maximum. That’s 90 MPH. I had to ask, "are you serious?"


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By which I mean: we all know what the civil law is; I seek an opnion from those who are a law unto themselves, whose self-directed laws must for some reason apply to me in the place of the civil law or any self-directed laws I may have conjured out of the air.
1 posted on 11/04/2009 8:44:03 AM PST by ExGeeEye
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To: ExGeeEye

You are supposed to move over as quickly as you can but I do not see that driving 90 mph to “get out of the way” as an acceptable way of doing so.


2 posted on 11/04/2009 8:46:06 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Get out of second gear and get out of the way.
Why should you block another somewhat-law-abiding citizen’s right to determine their own speed limit?

If you are driving slow enough for someone to get that close, you don’t belong in the left lane.

Beep Beep, Beep Beep, his horn went beep beep beep.


3 posted on 11/04/2009 8:50:31 AM PST by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: ExGeeEye

If you can safely pull out of the way, you should.


4 posted on 11/04/2009 8:53:37 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: ExGeeEye
A question: exactly how fast must I be going before I must make way for a non-emergency vehicle intent upon hitching ride in my trunk?

Not about the speed limit. Slower traffic, keep right, period - at least on a limted access, divided highway.

5 posted on 11/04/2009 8:55:09 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ExGeeEye
A question: exactly how fast must I be going before I must make way for a non-emergency vehicle intent upon hitching ride in my trunk?

Not about the speed limit. Slower traffic, keep right, period - at least on a limited access, divided highway.

6 posted on 11/04/2009 8:55:48 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ExGeeEye

IBTP?


7 posted on 11/04/2009 8:56:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: ExGeeEye
A question: exactly how fast must I be going before I must make way for a non-emergency vehicle intent upon hitching ride in my trunk?

If you're not passing, GTF out of the passing lane.

A--holes who live in the passing lane piss me off.

They think they are oh-so-important compared to everybody else.

8 posted on 11/04/2009 8:58:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Heh. Under the law unto ME, if you're in front of me and I want to go faster than you are going, you are an idiot.

I think George Carlin said it - everybody going slower than me is an idiot, everybody going faster is a maniac.

I hate freeways. I'll take the two lane side road any day of the week.

9 posted on 11/04/2009 8:59:46 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (MMM MMM MM!)
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To: ExGeeEye

the law states you pull over and let the red lights pass.......NOT speed up - PULL OVER and STOP.

I was driving an ambulance on the highway with a CPR going on in the back.......an idiot was matching my speed blocking me in in the passing lane.......after a hand gesture on my part indicating my lights......and my siren was going....he sped up to over 90 and disappeared......guess he thought he was more important than my patient. my only regret was that I couldn’t get someone on my radio to come arrest him. he was one of the biggest jerks I ever encountered.

does THAT answer your question?


10 posted on 11/04/2009 9:03:31 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: ExGeeEye

As an aside, I took the autobahn driving test a while ago.

It is illegal to be passed on the right.

Note, it is not illegal to pass on the right, but to be passed on the right.

Germans are odd people, but they know how to drive on the highway.


11 posted on 11/04/2009 9:04:04 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If you're not passing, GTF out of the passing lane.

Exactly. Doing otherwise forces people bent on hauling a** into other lanes of traffic, weaving in and out, cutting off other drivers to get around... the squatter.

Crap lane discipline causes a LOT of problems, because young drivers these days ASSUME people are going to squat, and don't even bother with the passing lane - they just pass on the right, in their fartcan equipped turbo Civics.

12 posted on 11/04/2009 9:05:12 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ExGeeEye

It doesn’t matter,

even if you are going 90mph in the left and someone behind you wants to do 95mph then you should move over.


13 posted on 11/04/2009 9:05:25 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: tioga
the law states you pull over and let the red lights pass

The OP did specify "non-emergency."

14 posted on 11/04/2009 9:08:16 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: ExGeeEye
exactly how fast must I be going before I must make way for a non-emergency vehicle intent upon hitching ride in my trunk?

It doesn't matter. If they want to go faster than you are then get the hell out of the way.
15 posted on 11/04/2009 9:11:09 AM PST by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: ExGeeEye

If you’re in the left lane and slowing somebody down, get out of the left lane and let them go by. Period.


16 posted on 11/04/2009 9:11:46 AM PST by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: ExGeeEye

If you’re concerned more about safety and the orderly, predictable flow of traffic, you’ll move over for an overtaking vehicle, rather than playing rolling roadblock to prove a point.

I have a cousin who is a civil engineer for the NC DOT, and he has some interesting terms for traffic flow. One of them is “friction.” “Friction” is bad. “Friction” gets people killed. It’s caused by widely variant speeds on the highway, and people passing in lanes closer to onramps, where they’re unexpected.

Another one of those terms is “slinky effect.” If you’ve ever wondered what’s happening, when you get stalled in traffic for no apparent reason, this is the cause. It’s an echo from an accident or even a distraction on the shoulder, from hours before. It takes a while in heavy traffic, for the stopping and starting to even out, and it can radiate back down the highway for miles.


17 posted on 11/04/2009 9:12:11 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ExGeeEye

You should pull over for any emergency vehicle that’s behind you, no matter how fast you’re going. Part of his safety in driving fast to the emergency is a wide open lane and field of view in which to travel in, not a potentially unpredictable obstacle traveling at high speed right in front of him.

As for others who think the left lane is for them to drive unencumbered, no. I’ll stay in the left lane if there’s slower traffic to my right and I’m traveling significantly but safely faster than them. That doesn’t mean I’m going to step aside for every Tom, Dick and Harry that think there is no speed limit. If you want that right, drive an ambulance.


18 posted on 11/04/2009 9:18:07 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: xsrdx

an emergency vehicle without lights and sirens going do not require you to pull over at all........DUH!


19 posted on 11/04/2009 9:21:28 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: ExGeeEye

and another thing,

It’s usually not one slow @§§¶0!£ in the left lane that’s the problem, the problem is the 2nd, 3rd, etc. cars that end up behind him/her/it who believe that because that 1st @§§¶0!£ is driving slow, it’s OK for them to be @§§¶0!£s and also drive as slow.

If you are not doing anything to get around the 1st @§§¶0!£, you are blocking me and everybody else from getting past him/her/it,

If you are unwilling to go around get the hell out of the way.


20 posted on 11/04/2009 9:23:18 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1

No - you too, have to go with the flow of traffic. In heavy traffic, you’re not going to get a free and clear left lane. Live with it.


21 posted on 11/04/2009 9:24:39 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ExGeeEye

ok, I got it......you want to know if you should dominate the passing lane.......hmm. my SOP is to let the jerks pass me who want to race ahead attracting the cops and get a ticket......why should I slow them down? I usually go the speed limit or less than ten over.......so, I often find myself in the passing lane, however I make it a point not to sit there.


22 posted on 11/04/2009 9:26:07 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

oh, move to the boonies.......it’s great - you have the highway to yourself!


23 posted on 11/04/2009 9:26:55 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
“Friction” is bad. “Friction” gets people killed. It’s caused by widely variant speeds on the highway

This is why "HOV" lanes that sit largely empty on the freeway, like they do around here, are dangerous. If the main lanes are slow, the occasional HOV going by at high speed is a definite hazard.

24 posted on 11/04/2009 9:27:08 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: tioga

No, I understand I’m not the only one on the road. It’s you who seems to not understand that. When traffic is heavy, traffic is going to fill all the lanes, and when it slows down, that means even the left lane is not going to remain open for you to keep going 70. That’s just the way it is.


25 posted on 11/04/2009 9:28:57 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

nah, move to the boonies where I live. open roads as far as the eye can see. love it.


26 posted on 11/04/2009 9:30:31 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: tioga

Oh wait... maybe I misunderstood you... Maybe you’re suggesting the boonies as a way to avoid those people... if so... good idea :~)

Need more coffee :~D


27 posted on 11/04/2009 9:31:01 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: tioga

Gotcha ;~)


28 posted on 11/04/2009 9:31:57 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ExGeeEye

Get out of the left lane, period. No matter how fast you are going.

People who cruise in the left lane for no reason are mentally retarded.


29 posted on 11/04/2009 9:33:23 AM PST by envisio
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To: ExGeeEye

Slower traffic keep right. If you aren’t willing to do up to 10 mph over the traffic in the right lane in order to pass, ease up and fall in behind.

1-2 mph differential is unacceptable.

Again: Slower traffic keep right.


30 posted on 11/04/2009 9:33:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: ExGeeEye

I understand what you’re asking. In that situation (since I’m in the passing lane, and I’m passing) I move to the right when I’m no longer passing, or perceive that I can do so safely and conveniently.


31 posted on 11/04/2009 9:34:12 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ExGeeEye

In some states the left lane if for passing only. I know that sometimes all the lanes are filled and passing only doesn’t hold true. My theory is move over let the guy through so he can trip the radar up ahead and keep it clean for you.


32 posted on 11/04/2009 9:35:33 AM PST by deport
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To: HairOfTheDog

I visited my daughter last year in San Jose....she advised me not to rent a car as I wouldn’t want to drive there. I scoffed at that, but had to agree after riding with her on the thruways.......YIKES!


33 posted on 11/04/2009 9:35:45 AM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

>>>>>They think they are oh-so-important compared to everybody else.<<<<<<

No, they are simply oblivious to certain unwritten laws and behaviors that make this a civilized society.


34 posted on 11/04/2009 9:35:45 AM PST by envisio
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To: Jewbacca

>>Germans are odd people, but they know how to drive on the highway.

The Italians do, too. I was there last year, and people there “get it” on the roads. People aren’t talking on their cell phones, they aren’t applying make up, they aren’t reading the paper, they aren’t fiddling with their Crackberries. They are paying attention and *driving*.

I loved it.


35 posted on 11/04/2009 9:36:18 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: qam1
even if you are going 90mph in the left and someone behind you wants to do 95mph then you should move over.

But what if the people in the right lane are only doing 65? Does this mean that I should slow from 90 to 65, at the whim of the "faster" guy behind me?

36 posted on 11/04/2009 9:38:00 AM PST by scan59 (Markets regulate better than government can.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
As for others who think the left lane is for them to drive unencumbered, no. I’ll stay in the left lane if there’s slower traffic to my right and I’m traveling significantly but safely faster than them. That doesn’t mean I’m going to step aside for every Tom, Dick and Harry that think there is no speed limit. If you want that right, drive an ambulance.

Good for you. The key phrase there is "significantly but safely faster" than those in the other lanes. I live in Dallas, and if I slowed from 75 to 55 everytime someone else wanted to go 76, I'd never make it to work on time.

Note that I'm talking freeways here, not the wide open interstate.

37 posted on 11/04/2009 9:42:00 AM PST by scan59 (Markets regulate better than government can.)
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To: Clinging Bitterly

” I hate freeways. I’ll take the two lane side road any day of the week.”

I hear you,I love them, too! I want to see America.


38 posted on 11/04/2009 9:43:25 AM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: scan59
But what if the people in the right lane are only doing 65? Does this mean that I should slow from 90 to 65, at the whim of the "faster" guy behind me?

My answer is no... You shouldn't have to move over on the whim of someone who wants to drive without limit. Jumping back and forth between lanes that are going widely different speeds is what causes accidents. There is no right to expect the left lane is going to be free and clear in heavy traffic, and I don't think anyone traveling more than 10 mph faster than the flow to the right is safe, so you probably shouldn't be going 90, either.

39 posted on 11/04/2009 9:44:33 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A--holes who live in the passing lane piss me off. They think they are oh-so-important compared to everybody else.

On certain highways I will cruise in the left lane if the traffic is light. This is because tractor trailers have beaten the right lane into pieces and I'd rather not have the road do the same thing to my car.

40 posted on 11/04/2009 9:47:10 AM PST by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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To: ExGeeEye

41 posted on 11/04/2009 9:50:17 AM PST by Sopater (I'm so sick of atheists shoving their religion in my face.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
and I don't think anyone traveling more than 10 mph faster than the flow to the right is safe, so you probably shouldn't be going 90, either

LOL. My grandchildren would agree with you there. Actually I was quoting 90 from someone else's comment. I'm big on safety, and tend to take it easy overall.

42 posted on 11/04/2009 9:50:36 AM PST by scan59 (Markets regulate better than government can.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Slower traffic keep right.

Have the courtesy to move to the right long enough to let them pass.

One of my pet peeves is someone in the passing lane that drives along as though there is no one else on the road.


43 posted on 11/04/2009 9:53:24 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: ExGeeEye

Late one night while en-route to Lafayette Ca from LA, on the 5 going 90, a late model Camero, in the right lane, caught up to my 911 slant. We drove side by side at 120 for a long while until blocked by a pair of slower cars in the same pattern. We slowed and settled into following at a safe distance.

About 5 minutes later, as we crested a hill there was a CHP sitting on the side of the road, pulled onto the hwy, passed my cohort and I, then pulled over the slower moving cars.

The Camero again pulled up on my right, we shared a brief OMG!!! glance, then I turned off at the 580 interchange.

No answer to your question. Sorry.


44 posted on 11/04/2009 9:53:44 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Sopater
An asshole like that will get no sympathy and no cooperation from me. He'll get even less if he flashes his hi-beams.

Courtesy works both ways, and the public roadways are not that asshole's private playpen.

45 posted on 11/04/2009 9:55:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
He'll get even less if he flashes his hi-beams.

I don't find that rude. It is to let the driver in front know that faster traffic is approaching, since it is often difficult to determine the speed of traffic in a rear view mirror. It also gives the front driver time to begin a safe lane change before the faster vehicle arrives.

46 posted on 11/04/2009 10:01:35 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
I don't find that rude

I find it extremely rude and arrogant.

It is to let the driver in front know that faster traffic is approaching

I'm scanning front, instruments, and mirrors. I don't need some wanker flashing his lights at me ... I already see him.

I spend 2.5 hours every workday traveling in moderately heavy traffic, on 4-lane divided highways, at speeds well in excess of the posted limits. I see a lot of cars, and a lot of drivers. I'd say about 99% of these drivers know how to get along ... the real hazards to the rest of us are not the left-lane slowpokes. Such creatures are almost nonexistent.

The real hazards are the headlight-flashing tailgaters and the lane-weavers.

These foul folk should be taken out and shot.

47 posted on 11/04/2009 10:10:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Publius Valerius
I don't find that rude

I find it extremely rude and arrogant.

It is to let the driver in front know that faster traffic is approaching

I'm scanning front, instruments, and mirrors. I don't need some wanker flashing his lights at me ... I already see him.

I spend 2.5 hours every workday traveling in moderately heavy traffic, on 4-lane divided highways, at speeds well in excess of the posted limits. I see a lot of cars, and a lot of drivers. I'd say about 99% of these drivers know how to get along ... the real hazards to the rest of us are not the left-lane slowpokes. Such creatures are almost nonexistent.

The real hazards are the headlight-flashing tailgaters and the lane-weavers.

These foul folk should be taken out and shot.

48 posted on 11/04/2009 10:11:12 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: tioga

I had an ambulance materialize behind me on a state road recently. He was so close to me that I could not see his rooftop lightbar in my rearview mirror. As it was daylight, I didn’t have the sense that his lights were on. Most ambulances have the lights in the grille as well, but this one didn’t. It was a bit of a fluke, but maybe your circumstance was similar?


49 posted on 11/04/2009 10:11:17 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: ArrogantBustard

That’s kinda how I feel. That picture is related to an article I posted a couple of years ago.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1857280/posts


50 posted on 11/04/2009 10:11:30 AM PST by Sopater (I'm so sick of atheists shoving their religion in my face.)
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