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HELP! My childs school just decided that there will be no Christmas tree this year!
self | 11-6-09 | anti-hillary

Posted on 11/06/2009 12:09:22 AM PST by Anti-Hillary

Many of us parents just learned that ONE teacher complained that it offended her and they nixed the tradition. We are HOPPING mad and plan to do something about it. Any EFFECTIVE ideas????


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1 posted on 11/06/2009 12:09:24 AM PST by Anti-Hillary
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To: Anti-Hillary

I am NOT afraid to fight the fight, just want to be smart.


2 posted on 11/06/2009 12:10:34 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Yo Barry, IF FOR 20 YEARS YOU STAY IN THE PEW, IT'S BECAUSE YOU SHARE THE VIEW!!!!!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

What school...and, what’s their phone number? Maybe a few calls will get them to change their minds.


3 posted on 11/06/2009 12:11:39 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: Anti-Hillary

I’m struggling to remember if mine had them in the ‘70s and ‘80s... if only because we were gone for the 2 1/2 weeks during that period.


4 posted on 11/06/2009 12:11:51 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Anti-Hillary
Stop thinking about fighting and confrontation before you've calmly and reasonably spoken to the teacher.

There may be no need to make a big issue out of this. Just TALK to the woman and explain why it's important to you.

That way, you can say you tried the most obvious solution, and if necessary you can show she was unreasonable even after a one-on-one personal appeal.

5 posted on 11/06/2009 12:13:07 AM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: Anti-Hillary

Call a student strike and keep ALL your kids at home until they give in, or shut down.


6 posted on 11/06/2009 12:14:08 AM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1, 4 if by Thread.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Any ONE person that would do this to an entire community is already beyond reason. Some people are jst not rational when it comes to things like this.
Is this person Jewish, atheist, muslim?
If I knew that, I could maybe offer something more.


7 posted on 11/06/2009 12:17:18 AM PST by MestaMachine (One if by land, 2 if by sea, 3 if by Air Force 1, 4 if by Thread.)
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To: Anti-Hillary
Aside from my first thought of rendering the teacher “unavailable” for the month of December. How about going door to door in the neighborhood to the houses facing the school. And asking the people to put out a decorated tree in their front yards. Along with a sign saying “this tree is for the students of ___________ school. Because the communist, far left wing God hating loons running the place hate Christmas and puppies”.
8 posted on 11/06/2009 12:19:44 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: Anti-Hillary

Does the school allow Halloween decorations? If so, they should allow Christmas decorations. Many people who aren’t Christian enjoy Christmas trees. No one is making this person put one up in her home.


9 posted on 11/06/2009 12:20:57 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Anti-Hillary
Get the parents and your signs and stand peacefully on the sidewalk at drop off time and pickup time.
10 posted on 11/06/2009 12:22:34 AM PST by buggy02 (Never take life seriously, nobody gets out alive anyway.)
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To: Anti-Hillary
>teacher complained that it offended her

Would you allow Charles Manson to teach your children?

Change schools ASAP!

11 posted on 11/06/2009 12:29:37 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper ("horrific outburst of violence" = USofKKK made him do it!)
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To: Anti-Hillary
I would seriously consider sending my kid to a Catholic or Christian school, or home schooling.

There is no upside to keeping your kids in a government school run by a bunch of perverted communists from the teachers union.

12 posted on 11/06/2009 12:32:38 AM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: skr

I hate all this political correctness crap, but call it the holiday tree (officially) and you’re in business. This might skirt any religious/legal issues.. On campus, the kids can call it “Christmas” tree all they want. One thing is for sure, the ACLU will do all they can to thwart celebrating Christmas. By the way, does this school have foot baths for the Muslim kids yet?


13 posted on 11/06/2009 12:33:23 AM PST by historyrepeatz
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To: Anti-Hillary
Hmmm....our homeschool has never had an issue with that.

Something to consider.

14 posted on 11/06/2009 12:33:29 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

If true, withdraw the child, and home school, if they give you grief; advise them that they imposed a separation of religion and state not providing your children an equal opportunity education imposing a preferred government preference without representation, harming your child, contact an independent school to attend. Once, in place ask government to provide equal opportunity access for same services that do not impose government preference.


15 posted on 11/06/2009 12:35:04 AM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Seems like the ONE teacher might be practicing discrimination.

Just watched a Lowes commercial and the characters in the ad mentioned “Christmas”. “Christmas” also appeared in the background of a store camera shot.


16 posted on 11/06/2009 12:44:26 AM PST by Gene Eric (Speaking out against Free Speech is 'Hate Speech')
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To: Gene Eric

Buy your kid several sweaters with Christmas trees on them and make them wear it to school, talk with other parents and have them do the same.

If they start complaining about that, switch to shirts with Nativity scenes on them.


17 posted on 11/06/2009 12:48:11 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Anti-Hillary

Hmmmmmmm...ONE teacher said it bothered her. Is she a grown-up? Perhaps all the other teachers could complain that being without the tree bothers THEM. Majority wins.


18 posted on 11/06/2009 12:49:59 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Anti-Hillary

But the NEA Union member that was offended will take the two weeks off with pay.

Hypocrite.


19 posted on 11/06/2009 12:52:36 AM PST by NoLibZone (North Korea? The only buildings in Hawaii at risk of destruction are those housing Obama's records!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

If it were me, I would contact the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ). It is the organization founded by Pat Robertson to counteract the mischief perpetrated by the ACLU.


20 posted on 11/06/2009 12:56:15 AM PST by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: Anti-Hillary

i’m sure the USSC will find and validate that the separation of forest and state is in the constitution.


21 posted on 11/06/2009 12:58:50 AM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: Anti-Hillary
What's the fuss all about?

After Hussein0 gets done with cap and slave, there wont be anymore Christmases.

22 posted on 11/06/2009 1:04:00 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Demand a meeting with the board along with the other parents.

Pull your child out of the cesspool a.k.a. public education as quickly as humanly possible.


23 posted on 11/06/2009 1:08:12 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (I know who wins; I read the 'Book')
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To: Anti-Hillary

If this is public school the question becomes “why do you still have your child in public school?”


24 posted on 11/06/2009 1:12:46 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Marxist ideologues have made their way up the totem poles of faculy who train teachers, librarians, lawyers, political scientists and journalists. They’ve made these professions into armies of zombies who fear above all things religion, especially Christianity. Every parent who care about their kids need to speak up and write to the heads of their boards of education Bet the teacher is not offended by the promotion of homosexuality in her school. They love the word “diversity,” but are intolerant to the extreme and their definition of “tolerance” is a narrow one in their own image.


25 posted on 11/06/2009 1:13:24 AM PST by Mack Truck
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To: Anti-Hillary
If the one teacher is known, then you attack her with her own device.

Santa Claus really WILL be here this year, as a cleverly disguised Satan cauls.

Circulate a petition accusing Miss Whatsername of being Satanic.


Cauls?
Membranes that cover a newborn's head, that if the eyes are open, sight is very cloudy and unclear.

26 posted on 11/06/2009 1:19:43 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Anti-Hillary

I would decorate a tree and place it in the back of my pickup.

I would park across the street from the school, near closing on each Friday until Christmas..... or until the school changed their position.

I would stand in the back of my truck biding all that were within the sound of my voice, “Merry Christmas” and other such greetings. I would be very friendly and smile at all the folks that pass by.

Oh, one more thing.... I would make an anonymous call to the local media, so they too could come and enjoy my good mood.

I would have also checked my local laws before going out to have the fun.


27 posted on 11/06/2009 1:19:54 AM PST by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Presumably this is a government school? I would start thinking of getting your kid out of there.
Limit the damage.


28 posted on 11/06/2009 1:42:19 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Anti-Hillary

If there are houses along the way to school...call some friends in the neighborhood, everyone decorates a tree in their yard...people can see as they drive up to school.


29 posted on 11/06/2009 1:43:23 AM PST by Texas4ever (God is in control!)
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To: MestaMachine
Is this person Jewish, atheist, muslim?

You forgot one more group, hardcore fundemendalist Christians who believe it is a pagan practice.

The bottom line is that leftists, with their idiotic, misbegotten idea of "tyranny of the majority", have replaced it with a culturally destructive "tyranny of the minority".

30 posted on 11/06/2009 1:45:08 AM PST by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: Gene Eric

That’s new for Lowe’s. In years past, they have avoided saying “Christmas.” There were actually complaints about them calling them “holiday trees” a couple of seasons ago and they rushed out “Christmas” signs. I guess you can’t complain if they are willing to correct the problem (though, it’s obscene that these stores’ whole year is made on Christmas sales and yet they have to be forced to acknowledge just what it is now).

One particularly troubling thing with Lowe’s and more and more stores is the fact that they rip the Christmas items out a couple of weeks before Christmas. I started seeing it last year and I know someone who works at Lowe’s who says they will be doing it again this year. Until recently, a good way to buy Christmas decorations was to wait for the after Christmas sales. There hardly are any stores that have them that late now. I could almost understand if the decorations weren’t selling and were taking up valuable space, but the Lowe’s in my area put them in an area that usually has junk in it the rest of the year.

Michaels rips their stuff out before the actual holiday (Halloween and Christmas), too.


31 posted on 11/06/2009 1:52:36 AM PST by Rastus
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To: knarf

Danny Torrance was born with a caul, which was part of why he had the shining.


32 posted on 11/06/2009 1:54:30 AM PST by Rastus
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To: Darkwolf377
Stop thinking about fighting and confrontation before you've calmly and reasonably spoken to the teacher.

That's not the way the game works. The teacher's identity will be withheld to protect them from "death threats" and violence. If the teacher's identity does become known, the press will instantly publish articles describing the "death threats" that the teacher recieved.

It's the left's way of stopping debate in a circumstance like this. The issue moves from an unreasonable position by the teacher and the school, which trounces on the rights, beliefs and enjoyment of the majority, to a cessation of all dialogue, where the teacher is now morphed into a victim.

33 posted on 11/06/2009 1:59:23 AM PST by DCBurgess58 (In a Capitalist society, men exploit other men. In a Communist society it's exactly the opposite.)
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To: Rastus

It’ll preach ... and is more disturbing than being offended by Christmas


34 posted on 11/06/2009 2:07:51 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: DCBurgess58
That's not the way the game works.

Yes, actually, it is, and it's not a game. It's called communicating, and not behaving like the loony leftists who scream "Victim!" first.

In the real world, when a teacher does something like this, real people aren't thinking about "the media" and such. They start by addressing the issue with the person AS a person.

All this hysterical running around and planning media psy-ops is what's killing this country. People hope to intimidate simply by doing things behind closed doors, as in this case. You begin by behaving like a normal human being, not someone who makes drama out of simple disagreements. Find out the situation, talk to the people involved.

Stop treating this kind of thing as a "game" and we may be able to make headway. It's getting the vapors from the get-go and taking the "lawyer up" approach over relatively unimportant things--and yes, sorry, Christmas trees in schools is a lot more important than most of the things that should be going on in schools--that's the problem with too many people these days.

35 posted on 11/06/2009 2:18:34 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Nothing is more exhilarating than philistine vulgarity.-- Vladimir Nabokov)
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To: Anti-Hillary

A sign of the times, my friend. There will come a time when we must REALLY stand and be counted. They’re coming for us.


36 posted on 11/06/2009 2:28:33 AM PST by Terry Mross (I hate all politicians...including republicans.)
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To: Anti-Hillary

You’ll resist this information, because it makes things difficult for you, but you ought to be asking yourself, is this the right school for us?


37 posted on 11/06/2009 2:37:21 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: DCBurgess58

Should read “Christmas trees in schools is a lot LESS important than most of the things,” but you probably figured that out. Posting fatigue is an ugly thing.


38 posted on 11/06/2009 2:37:25 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Nothing is more exhilarating than philistine vulgarity.-- Vladimir Nabokov)
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To: BigCinBigD
“this tree is for the students of ___________ school. Because the communist, far left wing God hating loons running the place hate Christmas and puppies”.

Love it.

39 posted on 11/06/2009 3:12:34 AM PST by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: NoLibZone

Teachers don’t get paid for holidays . It is a misconception many people have . They get contracted pay for the days of teacher “student contact” usually 183 + - days a year. Holidays are not considered student contact days .

Teachers also do not get unemployment income during the summer as many people believe.


40 posted on 11/06/2009 3:35:21 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies om Planet' and " Battle of the Worlds " on Blu-ray ?)
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To: Anti-Hillary

send them all to school wearing Christmas Tree t-shirts!


41 posted on 11/06/2009 3:39:07 AM PST by VastRWCon (Drill Baby Drill - Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Anti-Hillary

I second some of the comments already posted... homeschool. We’re in our second year and we enjoy being able to do math work beside our brightly lit Christmas tree. No complaints from the teacher or student. I had to attend public school and I knew the only way that my son and I wouldn’t have to put up with the liberal crap was to keep him out all together. He will NEVER step foot inside a public classroom and we will make all the construction paper Christmas trees we like without obstruction from anyone.


42 posted on 11/06/2009 3:48:38 AM PST by artsymom
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To: Anti-Hillary

The folks at my kids school are scared to death of me. And I have NEVER gone down there yelling and screaming. I have had several conversations with the principle and even when I am firm in my voice on my issue, we have a grown up and pleasant conversation.

First, I would call the principle and talk to him/her directly. First acknowledge that you understand people being offended, you get offended all the time. Then ask if there are any other criteria for getting school traditions changed, other than being offended?

Don’t get into a debate. Do NOT let him have you answer questions. You are not his employee, you are only on a fact finding mission. You just want to know how things work. How does one get things changed at the school that you are offended by. Do NOT offer any information about what you might be offended by. This will scare him.. it is Alinsky style tactics. His mind will be racing with what you are up to.

Second. Do some homework- find out about things that are taught or going on in the school that you don’t like...

Third. Get in touch with local tea party folks and/or 9/12 groups. Ask if anyone would be interested in having a small sign rally in front of the school, and be prepared to share with them what the issue is. It could be just to stand out there with signs that read “THIS SCHOOL IS OFFENDED BY CHRISTMAS TREES!” or “NO CHRISTMAS TREES FOR OUR SCHOOL, SOMEONE WAS OFFENDED!” Or you could pick another issue....it is your school, you decide...

Fourth. Prepare anyone who joins you with a simple message to give to others who ask about the rally, or want to debate the rally. My advice would be to always start with this phrase, “I AM MAIN STREAM” Like this... “I am main stream. Main Stream Americans celebrate Christmas. It is part of our culture and our tradition. Main Stream Americans are not offended my Christmas. Main Stream Americans are not offended my Hannakuh, or Easter, or Thanksgiving, or Valentines Day. It is simply unacceptable for our children to not enjoy cultural holidays and traditions in the public square even at their own schools, just because someone is offended. This should be a community decision, not a special interest pressure levied upon our children.” The key here is to make it clear how simple and reasonable you are, and how out of sync and abusive the other side is.

Fifth. Write up a press release. DO NOT tip your hand in the press release. Do NOT use the term Main Stream in your press release. Just announce the time and day of the event and the reason for the protest. Be sure to include contact info in your press release. If contacted, tell them that you would love to answer any questions they have, AT THE EVENT.... do not answer any questions beforehand, other than when, where, and what.....not why, nothing else. And be SURE to have others there at the event on your side with cameras. But most important-— Make sure those that show up understand that the message they share with media and others is “I am main stream” ... stay calm and simple...do not get heated or yell. but be direct at how simple this really is. This is about the fringe special interest people trying to reshape our culture and targeting our children to do so....

I hope this helps....


43 posted on 11/06/2009 3:57:34 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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oh yeah! I forgot... the argument will most likely be that the teacher is offended, and this is HER work place....media may say, “Doesn’t this teacher have the right to not be offended in the work place. Should they be forced to participate in things at work that offend them.”

My reply, “This is a school for children, this is not a government jobs bank. Surely this teacher did not go through their entire educational career and prepare for this job with no knowledge of traditional school activities. They chose this career. I am sure they did not show up and suddenly find out that main stream American schools display Christmas Trees. I can’t imagine a doctor keeping their post in a hospital if they expected to never see bare skin in the work place because it might offend them.”


44 posted on 11/06/2009 4:06:39 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: skr

Yeah, all the Halloween crap has always offended me, a Christian, yet the ghosts, witches, and goblins still hang from every classroom door in October. This person does not have the right to go through life unoffended.

Depending on how much time you have to devote to this, you can do quick things like phone calls, maybe even calls to your local news outlets, or you can give it much MORE of your time and energy by committing to a prolonged fight. It’s amazing what negative public pressure can do to these wimpy schools.


45 posted on 11/06/2009 4:13:19 AM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: DCBurgess58
You forgot one more group, hardcore fundemendalist Christians who believe it is a pagan practice.

I know quite a few people like that, and I have never seen or heard them protesting public/private displays of Christmas trees...they just don't participate in the holiday.

46 posted on 11/06/2009 4:16:25 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: luvEastTenn

IMO, the government-run schools are hopeless and have been for a long time. However, even if you decide to withdraw your child and put him in home or private school, I would not go down without publicizing this to the hilt. At least make this experience worth SOMETHING.


47 posted on 11/06/2009 4:22:19 AM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: DCBurgess58

“You forgot one more group, hardcore fundemendalist Christians who believe it is a pagan practice.”

I wonder where we got that from? Maybe form the word of God?

Jeremiah 10:

Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Notice that word “heathen”?


48 posted on 11/06/2009 4:25:14 AM PST by lbama
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To: Anti-Hillary

When did they *start* having Christmas trees in school? I never had them in class (70s and 80s). My kids didn’t have them (90s). My husband never had them in classrooms and he lived all over the country thanks to the USAF. When did it become a given????


49 posted on 11/06/2009 4:51:59 AM PST by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Anti-Hillary

I’m offended by the offended!


50 posted on 11/06/2009 4:54:27 AM PST by lonestar (Obama and his czars have turned Bush's "mess" into a national crisis!)
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