Ft. Hood suspect remains in coma

Yahoo-AP ^ | 11/6/09 | LARA JAKES

[Pontiac]

AP story says Hasan used a "5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol".

I guess Hasan is a Manly-Man.

Talk about a hand cannon!

[Pontiac]

AP reporters are illiterate.

[a fool in paradise]

Yesterday the media was saying AK-47s, assault rifles, and sniper rifles.

Then again they also said it was definitely NOT a terrorist attack and that he was a recent convert to Islam.

[john in springfield]

I'm a AP reporder. And I am VERY literit. And I RECENT that remark!!!

[trumandogz]

I sure hope no one trips over that electrical cord that is keeping that breathing machine going.

[OldDeckHand]

What an odd, boutique kind of weapon. I wonder how and why he chose that particular model, very expensive.

[CholeraJoe]

The AT-4 is only 3.3 caliber and it's a big ol moose of a weapon.

[Sudetenland]

Hmmm...that makes sense. The FN five-seven would give him 20 rds/mag, has very little muzzle flip which means rapid follow up shots, and high penetration.

Apparently it's a lot more lethal than many in the gun crowd give it credit for.

[Retired Greyhound]

Put some bacon grease in his IV.

[Tennessee Nana]

Imm not a AP reporter...

I just plae wun on TV...

[The Sons of Liberty]

I’m sure they’ll spare no expense to keep him alive and help him to recover, only [HOPEFULLY!] to execute him.

[Pontiac]

I wonder how and why he chose that particular model, very expensive.

And the ammo is impossible to find!

[Uri’el-2012]

An FN Five-seven is not a gun that the average person would know about.

It is an assault machine pistol for killing people with body armor.

[Engineer_Soldier]

LOL! 5.7 inch diameter bullets would be pretty scary. On a serious note, I hate two things about the repporting on this: One, this wasn’t a doctor who cracked and didn’t want to be deployed. If that were the case, he’d just refuse to go and spend a year in jail. This was an act of war by a jihadist and they need to bring up the possibility more often. Two, they are making an obvious effort to only praise the female cop and female soldiers for their heroism yesterday. That female cop, it was reported, had a partner. What happened to her partner. Did her partner remain in the vehicle or did he/she also return fire? Was that tiny female officer shot down without firing a shot or did she actually hit the guy shooting at her (when real bullets are coming your way, especially if already hit, it’s hard to accurately send bullets the other way). This story stinks of “Jessica Lynch” style reporting by the same branch of the military and the media.

[Engineer_Soldier]

Yep. The AT-4 is 84MM; that’s why it’s so easy to remember its nomenclature.

[OldDeckHand]

"And the ammo is impossible to find!"

Absolutely. There was a guy at the range I frequent that had just bought one. He paid well over $1K USD. I've never seen them cheaper than $1K. Very, very weird. It begs the question, how would a presumably novice shooter - described by his family as someone that knew nothing about guns - end up suing such a strange and peculiar weapon?

[envisio]

LN 5.7 x 28

Although outlawed to the public in the 90s, government agencies do aquire armor piercing rounds.

[Puppage]

Ft. Hood suspect remains in coma

Go green.....pull the plug

[Blueflag]

Weapon + bullet selection + ability to hit what he aimed at tells me he was practiced and prepared.

Methinks a visit to his practice range and his ‘buddies’ there might be very revealing. Who taught him to shoot and handle that weapon? It’s not a like a doc usually wants a lot of range time. hmmmm.

I bet we’ll find he’s been thinking and preparing for this for a long time.

Same for his gun dealer and ammo source(s).

[GI Joe Fan]

So MAJ Mohammed or whatever the hell his name is knew exactly what he was doing.

Knowing that the MPs would most likely be wearing body armor, Mohammed bought weapons that he KNEW would have the most devastating impact possible.

So much for his insanity plea in court.

[potlatch]

 

TEXAS HAS THE DEATH PENALTY

I would hope he lives and faces trial in Texas!!

 

[envisio]

GI

[dfwgator]

Nah, I want this bastard to wake up and be tortured for the rest of his remaining days. Dying now like that is too easy for him.

[OldDeckHand]

"GI"

Which government?

[envisio]

See posts by FReeper popataz.

He says he ran a range where the guy would come and shoot 400 rounds a day.

[Blueflag]

Agreed. WHO sold him that weapon? WHO sold him the ammo?

WHERE did he practice?

With WHOM did he associate at the range.

Can’t imagine this guy could be so calm and accurate without prior practice and training. Army doesn’t provide much pistol training for its psychiatrists, and not with privately owned weapons.

[villagerjoel]

The good news is that if he wakes up from a coma, the sucker is paralyzed.

[GI Joe Fan]

MAJ Mohammed should be tarred, feathered and hanged for what he did to the Soldiers and Civilians at Fort Hood.

But, I am willing to settle for him getting the needle.

Come on, Texas Justice System!

Get this MAJ Mohammed guy off the planet, ASAP.

[Joe 6-pack]

"Apparently it's a lot more lethal than many in the gun crowd give it credit for."

IIRC, the round was designed primarily to provide a side arm sized weapon capable of defeating body armor...even though it's a relatively puny pill coming out of the muzzle, I'd imagine its velocity at close ranges produces a formidable degree of hydrostatic shock, and would quite literally allow you to shoot into a crowd of people and wound several with each round due to its inherent penetration.

[Pontiac]

FN five-seven

That would be 5.7 mm not caliber.

I had thought they might have made that mistake as well. But the last I heard the FN Five-Seven was not available for civilian purchase.

[Lazamataz]

Not so illiterate this time. Caliber may be expressed as mm, as a shorthand, and 5.7 caliber pistol rounds do exist.

Pull the trigger on 5.7

[Blueflag]

Seriously?

wow.

Goes to premeditation.

400 rounds gets into real money too.

Follow the money, the ammo and the weapon provider.

[Sudetenland]

NOt a “assault machine pistol,” just a small caliber, high capacity, high velocity, semi-automatic pistol.

[fireman15]

“Apparently it's a lot more lethal than many in the gun crowd give it credit for.”

I think that it is a surprising choice. A .22 cal handgun? It indicates to me that this was a well planned terrorist attack. If someone just “cracked” why would they be using a specialty gun designed to penetrate body armor?

[envisio]

I am going on information I got. Am I wrong?

I am talking about the ammo.

[lack-of-trust]

“It is an assault machine pistol for killing people”

are you an AP reporter, or did you forget your sarcasm tag?

[Berlin_Freeper]

FN Five-Seven 5.7X28mm

My new FN Five-seveN pistol w/ 5.7x28 mm

[Constitutions Grandchild]

One of our very own Freepers had our shooter in his class at a Texas Shooting Range. He reported it to the FBI. It’s amazing how connected we all are and what a small world it can turn out to be.

Our Freeper saw his picture, recognized him as the guy who’d been working EVERY WEEKEND at his range and been in his six week class training with that very sophisticated weapon. Yup, it’s a small world. It gets smaller when you fool around with those of us who will lay down our lives for this country.

[John D]

Calm down. I have no doubt that Eric Holder will soon press charges against this police officer who gunned down this poor misguided individual. Obama, I am sure will then instruct Holder that no charges are to be pressed against the man whose gun inadvertently misfired and killed 13 monsters who were about to fight the freedom fighters in Afghanistan..

[Pontiac]

An FN Five-seven is not a gun that the average person would know about.

Yes and last I know of the FN Five-Seven was not available for civilian purchase. It was only available for Police and military purchase.

[absolootezer0]

that explains why he was in such a low rent apartment.

5.7 is expensive and hard to find.

[Constitutions Grandchild]

Do not be deceived. This was no random act of violence or a “Falling Down” incident. This guy was a pro.

[Sudetenland]

He's an American citizen (or even if he was only an alien) with a valid driver's license, he could buy that weapon at many local gunstores for about $1k. Ammo is readily available, though rarer than .45 or 9mm.

No reason to go all anti-gun, track down the dealer on this. Unless he eluded any background check, no laws were violated.

[matt1234]

AP story says Hasan used a "5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol".

Caliber or MM? What's the difference? It's just a big, scary gun to the AP reporter. They should all be outlawed, right?

/s

[Texas Fossil]

FN Herstal Five-Seven USG 5.7x28 Pistol

With 3 - 20 Round Magazines

Black Polymer Frame

4.8" Barrel

Adjustable Sights

Penetrates body armor, Kevlar helmets and vests

Even penetrates CRISAT protection.

This item is not legal in states that prohibit high capacity magazines; including CA, HI, MA, NJ, NY WASH DC

[Tamatoa]

The media will never ask those questions. Too hard for them to comprehend. Critical thinking is not part of their job.

[envisio]

mean little boogers, though.

[potlatch]

[But, I am willing to settle for him getting the needle.]

Along with a guard’s threat of a ‘little pork grease’ on it...! Sadly the prison system seems to be good for converting MORE muslims!

[Sudetenland]

NOT a "specialty gun." I have come very close to buying one myself. It is a newer firearm and the very things that made it attractive to me as an American exercising my right to keep and bear arms made it attractive to him.

The gun is not the evil here, the man is. Jeeez Louise! this place is sounding like DU suddenly.

[Texas Fossil]

Tiny bullet, high capacity, high velocity. He planned this out with help.

[Blueflag]

You miss my intent.

I am anything but anti-gun.

My point is about WHO (of potential interest) provided the ammo and weapon. If a legit dealer sold it, no worries. Was it a legal purchase? dunno.

My point is to follow the trail backwards to see if there are leads.

the trail might lead nowhere, but then again, it might not.